McMackin apologizes for "offensive" remark

July 30th, 2009

University of Hawai‘i head football coach Greg McMackin apologized for making a disparaging comment during today’s speech to reporters at the Western Athletic Conference Football Preview.
In describing a battle of chants between Notre Dame and UH during last year’s Hawai‘i Bowl Banquet, McMackin said the Fighting Irish performed a “little faggot dance.”
He repeated the phrase twice more in trying to apologize.
“I would sincerely like to apologize for the inappropriate verbage of words that I used,” McMackin said. “I have nothing against the University of Notre Dame. I don’t talk like that. I’m realy ticked off at myself for saying that. I don’t have any prejudices. It really makes me mat that I said that. I’m disappointed in myself.”
McMackin described the loss to Notre Dame as the worst in his 40-year career.
“It ticks me off that I said that because Notre Dame played a great ball game,” McMackin said. “What I was trying to do was be funny, and I wasn’t funny, and it’s not funny. Even more, it isn’t funny to me. I was trying to make a joke. It was a bad choice of words. I really, really feel that.
“I wanted to apologize,” he added. “I’m going to apologize to my team. I’m going to apologize to the people of Hawai‘i. ... All I can do is apologize, and I feel bad that I used those words. It was really stupid. I just feel really bad. I apologize.”
Middle linebacker Brashton Satele, who also attended the meet-the-media event, said it was out of character for McMackin to use the phrase.
“He loves everybody,” Satele said. “He never says anything bad about anybody.”
WAC commissioner Karl Benson said the issue will now be handled by the university.
Benson said there is a sportsmanship clause in the WAC bylaws, and that McMackin might face sanctions ranging from a reprimand to suspension.
Each WAC coach is allotted 30 minutes to give a preview of his team. The segments are recorded on video, and shown on the WAC’s Web site.
Benson said McMackin’s comments will not be posted.

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Transcript of part of McMackin's speech:

"I think I screwed up, because the night before the game — getting back to Notre Dame — they'd been in a slump, and I think we were favored in the game for a while. I don't know why. They had 48 Parade All-Americans, and we have none. But what happened is we had a banquet the night before, so Charlie (Weis) gets up with the, you, we're up with the presidents and all that, and my team is over here and his team is over here. And I know most of the coaches in the country were rooting for us to beat Notre Dame. Charlie gave this talk, and then he goes — any Notre Dame fans in here? Anybody like Notre Dame? OK, good, good. See, that's the bad thing. Not many people do unless you're a true Notre Dame guy. And I knew, the whole country's watching and they want us to win. It made me sick after that game. It made me sick. But I screwed up, and I'll never do this again. He had  his guys. 'We do something special at Notre Dame,' he said, and they get up and they do this little cheer, like this (clap), you know, this little faggot dance. And you remember, Jason and Stephen, so my guys were looking at me. They're all looking at me trying not to laugh. So I gave them the shaka. Don't write that 'faggot' down. I was misquoted. Anyway, I gave them the shaka. So our guys get up, and it was the best (ha‘a) I've ever seen. I mean, they're on their chair. They have beads on, they're ripping their beads off. I mean, it was a little scary. I think Notre Dame watched that and said: 'We better have ourselves ready,' because they really played a good game. I can't take away. Their quarterback was on fire. I even challenged the last play of the half because there's no way that guy could have caught it. We had two guys on him. He caught it out of bounds with his toes in, and it was. It was just great execution. So, anyway, just please. Last year, you covered for me as far as (inavertently mentioning a) recruit. Cover for me. Go ahead. Say 'faggot dance.' No, please cover for me on that, too. Right, Karl? I'll deny it. Anything else?"

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Apparently the new contract between the WAC and ESPN guarantees that about six WAC football games will be shown on ESPN-U.
Thing is, only one of those games has been set. The UH-Navy game is expected to be added to the ESPN-U schedule.
ESPN-U is required to give only 12-days notice if it decides to pick up a game.
That would impact UH, which sells pay-per-view subscriptions of its home football games.
ESPN-U uses its own production and broadcast crew. It also requires that its telecatsts be shown live and free to cable subscribers.
Stay tuned.

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Greg McMackin will address the media at today's WAC Football Preview in Salt Lake City. Center John Estes and middle linebacker Brashton Satele will have individual interviews with WAC print and broadcast reporters today.

303 Responses to “McMackin apologizes for "offensive" remark”

  1. PIAA DS:

    wow, cant be. Pays to be on Cape Cod, am I actually 1st?

  2. PIAA DS:

    Im reading in the Boston Globe that Jake signed yesterday with the Pats

  3. Stretch:

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    If the football game gets picked up by ESPN, UH should then block out say 2 basketball or volleyball games and put them on PPV instead. I don't think giving a credit should be considered since it can't be afforded.

    I hope Estes and Satele don't have their interviews until later this afternoon. We don't want them talking bubbles due to lack of sleep.

    Everyone have a good day.

  4. Garret:


    Yes, the news came out last night that Jake signed.

  5. Garret:

    The possibility of losing PPV games with 12 days notice is interesting. PPV cannot really make up a football game, as that is why people buy the subscriptions. This may not be a problem this year, but I could see some unhappy PPV customers not subscribing next season unless they are given some credit if several PPV football games are lost.

  6. Garret:

    Two articles in the Boston papers about Ingram today. This might be the one that Doris read:

    The Patriots signed long snapper Jake Ingram yesterday. The sixth-round pick from the University of Hawaii is the 11th of the team’s 12 draft picks to come to terms.

    The deal for Ingram was expected to be done before camp, but negotiations reportedly stalled over the signing bonus. Wynn Silberman, Ingram’s agent, said it was never his intent to have Ingram miss any part of camp.

  7. Garret:

    This article goes over the position battles for the Patriots, so of course it mentioned Ingram vs. Hodel.

    With Lonie Paxton now snapping away in Denver, the Patriots need a replacement. The candidates are veteran Nathan Hodel, who made every long snap for the Cardinals from 2002-08 and was perfect on his snaps last season, and rookie Jake Ingram, a sixth-round pick out of the University of Hawaii.

  8. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Doris ~ $1.3 million will buy Jake a lot Boston Clam Chowder!

  9. Garret:

    ST posted a link to a report with this information in yesterday's blog. The Idaho Statesman has a little more detail about BSU's bad news.

    The decision by Boise State football coach Chris Petersen means redshirt freshman defensive tackle Michael Atkinson will miss at least three games - leaving a hole in the Broncos' depth chart for two critical games.

    Atkinson, who was expected to share time at tackle with starters Chase Baker and Billy Winn, will miss the season opener against Oregon, a home game against Miami (Ohio) and the WAC opener at Fresno State.

    Atkinson was arrested earlier this month in Boise on a DUI charge after a car accident. He also was charged with leaving the scene of an accident. Both charges are misdemeanors.

    True freshman wide receiver Kirby Moore sustained a foot fracture early in summer conditioning, casting at least some doubt on whether the much-hyped brother of quarterback Kellen Moore will be able to contribute this year. The injury isn't expected to be a long-term problem, but it's unlikely Moore will be ready to join the receiver rotation for the opener.

    The Broncos likely will need one of their true freshmen receivers to play this year.

  10. Garret:

    BSU will have just 4 seniors this season! That makes them one of the youngest teams in the country I would guess.

    Senior fullback Andy Silsby, who tore an ACL in a softball game, will be out for the year. He will help coach. That leaves the Broncos with just four seniors.

  11. Garret:

    This rule change will allow punt blockers to be much more aggressive against teams that have their punters roll out.

    The only significant rule change this year is the elimination of the roughing-the-kicker or running-into-the-kicker penalties when the kicker has exited the tackle box.

    That means when Boise State punter Kyle Brotzman rolls out to punt, defenders can hit his leg legally.

    "We've never even had an issue with that where a guy had to pull off," Petersen said. "Kyle's trained pretty well, when he feels pressure, to get it out. We don't think that's really going to affect us. Hopefully, we're right."

  12. NYUH:

    Tomey and Hill have been to Hawaii so many times, but what about the players? Don't they deserve a rest rather than a redeye?

    But the earlier start will be great for us mainland fans who won't have to stay up until 4 in the morning to catch the game and post-discussions.

  13. PIAA DS:

    Im going to take my nephews (triplets, all ball players - a QB-who desperately wants to meet Colt, a slot and a receiver, and the older one a LB) over to see Jake sometime next week. I was thinking about introducing my neice to him but that might be a distraction, she's a really really cute college senior.

    Kekoa, all my husband eats when on the Cape is Clam Chowder and Clam Rolls and linguica. A lot of portugese people and a lot of portugese food up here.

  14. Garret:

    I'm glad that RGM will be on the active roster for his team's game this weekend. I hope that he has success in the return game this week and that he gets a shot at playing WR soon.

    One lineup change this week sees receiver/kick returner Ryan Grice-Mullen make his return to the active roster for the injured Ian Smart (knee).

  15. Garret:


    I hope that you are having fun in Cape Cod! You should bring your niece along with your nephews to meet Jake--he should be able to handle the distraction. I'm sure that the Patriots have a lot of female fans following them around, so Jake will need to be used to ignoring distractions anyway.

    Jake's 4-year, $1.85 million deal is great news for him, especially if his agent was able to get it to have a regular signing bonus instead of a roster bonus that New England was trying for.

  16. PIAA DS:

    Yes Garret, but I dont want anyone else hitting on her - im serious, she is really really cute. She goes to college in NY (Fordham U) but she could show him around the area. Most of my husbands family still lives within 5 miles of Gillette Stadium (formerly owned by the Sullivan family - unfortunatly not the side that my husband is related to)

  17. d1島:

    Great Morning All!

    On the bright side, if ESPN is selecting a Hawaii game within that kind of window, it means the team will be doing pretty well at that point!

  18. d1島:


    Commenting from experience? :lol:

  19. d1島:

    Have a terrific day erryboddy!


  20. whitey:

    Good morning Tsaikos. Finally migrated home with some fish for Kekoa's lomi to be served at the tailgate.

  21. LizKauai [iMac] Unite and Conquer!:

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    Congrats, Doris!


  22. LizKauai [iMac] Unite and Conquer!:

    Oh- welcome home, whitey!!!

    I can taste the lomi already!

  23. Maverick:

    Go WAC!

    Win over the WAC media conference!

  24. whitey:

    M Wie is even at 16 w/3 birdies, 3 bogeys. Tied for 7th, 3 strokes behind the clubhouse leader. Somehow, with the exception of one tourney, she shoots eagles and birdies, but shoot the same amount of bogeys and double bogeys. Imagine if she cuts out the bogeys and double bogeys, she would have won more than one tournament this year.

  25. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Whitey ~ I know several Tsaiko's who will eat so much Salmon, they will instinctively swim up to the hatchery next Spring!

    I'll be happy to accomodate them, thanks to your generosity.

  26. djmitcho:

    Good Morning All! Hope everyone has a good thursday.

  27. whitey:

    dj, good morning and you going home to Lanai?????

  28. whitey:

    Need to give credit where credit is due. Hawaiian Airlines at Seattle has the right idea in having a lot of customer service employees with ties to Hawaii. They know how to treat people with aloha. Plus the manager, Roland K is from Lanai.

  29. NYUH:

    JJ + Paul Johnson = Pistol Offense, sort of

  30. djmitcho:

    Yeah, headed to Lana'i next Wednesday. Thinking about jumping on the ferry on thursday and heading to maui for the day to hang out with cousins.

  31. Buffoman:

    Don't know what Coach Mac said that was offensive. I'm sure it was and not "PC". The good thing in this bad scene is that we know that at his age his flow of testosterone is still quite high.

  32. NYUH:

    WSJ on football in Japan

    The sport also lacks a star to garner mainstream Japanese media attention and advertising dollars. Baseball has Ichiro Suzuki and Daisuke Matsuzaka. Golf has teenage sensation Ryo Ishikawa, who won a tournament on the Japanese pro tour at 15 and played in the same grouping with Tiger Woods at this year’s British Open. And a slew of Japanese soccer players have played in Europe’s top leagues.

  33. mana alohi:

    Hey Maverick, you and cuz Marie gonna make it here for the UNLV game? Would be great if Derrick comes along. Looks like a couple hundred Tsaikos are gonna show up. IMUA WARRIORS!

  34. Garret:

    Nice blog about Polynesian football players in college and the NFL.

  35. postmanke:

    Lobstah for Jake!

  36. Maynard G. Krebbs:

    PIAA DS:

    I also went to FU - but never got up to the main campus as the grad schools are in Manhatten. Did you know that Deixel (?) Washington is a Fordham grad?

  37. al:

    howzit whitey!

    i hope you packed the freezer w/some salmon and halibut.

    ...and did you catch crabs? oh wait, that's another trip later this year,eh?

  38. al:

    nice find garret.

  39. al:

    Deixel (?) Washington ?

  40. Jack Flash:

    So... what did coach Mack say exactly that was so offensive? I'm sure he feels bad and wants to apologize, and hopefully this won't be held against him. I'm sure the "P.C." police will be out in full force now...

  41. (Jesse)James:

    Good morning Tsaikos....hope everyone has a great day....

    Too bad that Coach Mac used that term but we forgive and move on. I'm sure he didn't mean to use that term and it is not indicative of the kind of person he is. After all, the times we've met him and had conversations he's been just awesome.

  42. hapahaoleboy:

    who would've thought Coach Mack would use a term that's so offensive....given he's such a defensive-minded coach!

  43. LizKauai:

    I guess football season HAS BEGUN!!!

    Hawaii flies under the radar NO MORE!


    JackFlash- read ST's post at the top of the page.

  44. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Good Morning Gangeez! :)

    It's cool Coach. You're forgiven.

    Good news for Jake!

    Welcome home, Whitey!

  45. BIGWAVE96744:

    hope Mack doesn't get as much flack as Dog got when he dropped the N-bomb on a private phone call.

    Does this mean Rainbows Warriors may soon return as team name?

  46. Jack Flash:

    whoa- i really wish he hadn't said that... yikes!

  47. chawan_cut:

    does oceanic have espn-u?

  48. Dirty Commish:

    Whoa... I know Coach Mack did not mean to use that term in a derogatory fashion towards the gay population... but dang... very unfortunate choice of wording indeed. For a bunch of dudes, I will admit, we can throw out that term and others without thinking, or intending, for it to be offensive or mean spirited.

    Not to say that what he did was ok. He screwed up, he apologized, and all we can do now is forgive and move on. If we know Coach, he's beating himself up about this more than anyone else can pile on.

    So the question remains... will there be a slew of PC Police Protesters lining Aloha Stadium for every home game now? Can we make them park on the lower lower lot? Because if you're all up in my grill as I'm trying to cook my steaks, your sign is gonna end up in my grill.

  49. BG:

    Whitey (#28)

    You answered the question that was on my mind! No need ask. What kine was running? Reds and Kings? I figgah you don't bother with pinks...sorry! No reference to pink side intended!!! LOL

  50. Garret:

    David Veikune is Cleveland's representative in this list of rookie gems:

    Cleveland -- David Veikune (2nd round, 52nd overall)

    It's a long way from the sunny shores of Hawaii to the bitter howling winds of Cleveland, but Veikune has made a habit of adjusting nicely to change.

    A college defensive end, Veikune has a lot coming at him as he is making the switch to inside linebacker. So far, so good. Even without a firm grasp on NFL linebacking schemes and the demands of the job, Veikune has showed nice instinctive playmaking ability. He's another one of those high-octane players always looking for contact, which should play well in Cleveland.

  51. Garret:

    ESPN-U should be in HD on a number of systems (satellite and cable) by the start of football season--with UH games to be shown on there I hope that Oceanic will add ESPN-U's HD channel.

  52. Garret:

    I just checked for Oceanic's channels on Oahu and they offer ESPN-U on channel 219.

  53. Garret:

    According to this list on Oceanic's website, ESPN-U is not available in HD on Oahu.

  54. Brian O:

    Why is "offensive" in quotes in your title?

  55. Kekoa:

    Doris ~ You are so fortunate to be up there in the area. Jake, Clam Chowder, Linguica, Lobstah...MMMmmmMMM! I'm jealous!

    I'm sure Jake is beholding to you for your guidance to the promised land. I tell the athletes that go to you to listen and learn. Their key to a successful college experience begins at your website. The match for each individual is personalized by your sage advice.

  56. tommui:

    AL: I think Maynard meant "Denzel" Washington.

    Fordham also had the "seven blocks of granite" which featured Coach Lombardi as one of the blocks.

  57. d1島:


    Maybe Mac was in a bad mood? Distracted?

    Very unfortunate....

  58. hapahaoleboy:

    Maybe Coach Mack meant they were dancing like a little bundle of twigs? As in the other definition:

    fag⋅ot  /ˈfægət/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fag-uht] Show IPA
    –noun 1. a bundle of sticks, twigs, or branches bound together and used as fuel, a fascine, a torch, etc.
    2. a bundle; bunch.
    3. a bundle of pieces of iron or steel to be welded, hammered, or rolled together at high temperature.

  59. isleboy:

    Idaho Statesman running audio of Mc's comments.....whats interesting is reporters are laughing....with him or at him.....

    JD is not a happy camper right now....Mc needs a fulltime PR person to muzzle him......

  60. JK:

    Coach Mac.....

    What the deuce???? This can't be a good precursor to the year. Can someone please help me and inform me of a time when a coach or administrator said something super dumb and the season ended up to be successful. Not good karma and not good for the overall image of the school. I guess Coach Mac will be going to Hulas to do his Coach Mac Show on KGMB now as community service. Gooooood one!!!

  61. SteveM:

    Good morning everyone!

    Mack's faux pas is minor, but will get blown out of proportion because of the Notre Dame reference. The word is so old and lame I even dropped it out of my cussing vocabulary in the 80's... :|

  62. duffer (iPhone):

    Geez my work PC has Websense that blocks all the HA blogs plus a few more. How rude.

    Wonder why. :-)

  63. isleboy:

    Hawaii needs to hire TINY TIM to lead the Cheerleaders at opening game.....wait....didnt he pass away?....perhaps Borat could stand in.....GM could hold the pom poms for him.....LOL

  64. LizKauai:

    ST cannot be accused of covering up, that's for sure...

  65. LizKauai:


  66. BIGWAVE96744:

    SteveM was that 1980 or 1880?
    nah nah nah..
    BTW the SportsHawaii folks just say BrokeBack in honor of our Wyoming BrokeBack Mountain Cowboy - Wyokie.... Heh heh heh


  67. koakane™:

    good morning tsaiko country. anoddah nice bright, sunny, humid and lovely day in the 808.

    day uno of my final commitment is done and what a day. kind of hectic but managed to survive. spent time in office helping new registrants and answering numerous parent questions but better than being outdoors sweating the heat. recess is over and was just saying hi to returning students. wonder what will they be thinking when they no longer see me next week.

    congrats to jake and david may they have a prosperous career in the NFL. nothing like doing something you luv as a career.

    eh come on gangie give it a rest on coach mac. everyone has a slip now and then. just because he in a high profile situation doesn't mean he doesn't make a mistakes. how many of us has had that happened to us. he did right by apologizing give the burddah some slack.

    warrior fball is in the air, can't you just feel it babe!!!!!!!!!!! cc lunches, makaha beach house, pig skin pig out, karaoke gathering yesssssssssss next up pot luck and kick off whoooooooootahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. get into the spirit tsaikos

  68. Manoa Mist:

    Hey, none of us are perfect but you'd expect a million dollar coach to be smarter when he's speaking to an entire league full of media.
    The irony is whatever dance Notre Dame did, they destroyed Hawaii and its "manly" dance. That would irritate me more than his non-PC words if I was a Notre Dame fan.
    Have not understood why UH uses the haka or ha'a anymore anyway. It is a dance of intimidation, but the NCAA will not let you dance it to your opponent, you have to face the crowd.
    The dance ain't about intimidating the crowd. I say forget it, forget about all the dances, and just play football.
    And get Coach Mack media training immediately.
    Peace out.

  69. BIGWAVE96744:

    no one made a big stink when Dire Straits used the term in one of the first Music Videos "Money for Nothing"....

    Ah common on!!

  70. Garret:

    Last year, you covered for me as far as my recruit. Cover for me. Go ahead. Say 'faggot dance.' No, please cover for me on that, too. Right, Karl?

    Someone on SportsHawaii pointed out that Mac's comments last year also weren't provided. ST's partial transcript at the top of the blog seems to indicate that he talked about a recruit last year in his press conference, which could have been an NCAA violation...but the WAC and media covered it up.

    So, if Karl Benson actually did help UH avoid an NCAA violation last year, I guess we should thank him for that.

  71. Stretch:

    I think Coach Mac to too much of a buddy buddy kind of guy. It appears he was speaking to those guys like they were sitting around having a few beers. It's unfortunate.

  72. d1島:


    If true, that can't be a good thing to come out (or re-surface) now!


    Maybe not a good time to associate him with "Dire Straits" :roll:

  73. LizKauai:

    COLT WATCH- first day of Redskins Training Camp.

  74. koakane™:

    manoa mist I agree with some of your comments. mac may need some media supervision to polish his skills.

    my only concern is this does he needs all this media attention or can it be focused on the up coming season, the players, new coaches and teams instead.

  75. Stretch:

    I know the punishment that should be "handed down" by UH. Have Mac take a 10% pay cut.

  76. Garret:


    I agree, I would hate for a tape or transcript of Mac's comments on that recruit to surface now...especially if it is one of the recruits that signed with UH in February.

    Two for two in WAC Football Preview day problems does indicate that Mac might need some media training. But he's been around so long and has dealt with the media for so long that this is surprising. Maybe the local media covers up the slip-ups (because they know that Mac is a good person and is just joking around and things may not always come out the right way) but these types of open media sessions have lots of media from outside of Hawaii...

  77. Garret:


    LOL! Now would be a perfect time for Mac to announce that he feels badly about his mistake and will voluntarily take a pay cut! If he's going to have to take a pay cut anyway, it would be good to shape the media coverage of this incident by focusing on the pay cut.

  78. Garret:

    Reno Gazette-Journal about about Mac's statement and apology.

  79. Garret:

    You can get to the Idaho Stateman's posting of the audio from Mac's press conference here.

  80. d1島:

    Wow! The comments about the story in Breaking News are coming in faster than I can refresh the page!
    Didn't know there was so much interest in football!

    re: 10% pay cut

    Before he left for SLC Mac was talking about donating $ to HHSAA or HS's in general. Maybe that goes by the wayside now? Too bad.

  81. Garret:

    I've seen about 20 places on the web with articles about Mac's statement already...I'm not going to bother posting them all since ST is covering it quite well and reading about this coverage depresses me. Bad PR for UH and I hope this doesn't affect recruits.

  82. JK:

    Make Coach Mac dress in drag and coach all season. That should appease all the critics and provide some much needed entertainment to the stadium. Plus it could increase attendance. Change the name back to Rainbow Warriors, change school colors to pastel green, and have the braddas dance on the Rainbow Dancers again and i think we have something here. Are you listening Marketing Department. You are welcome.

  83. Garret:

    To try to change the subject, I wish that someone at the WAC Football Preview (hint, ST!) would ask Karl Benson about starting up a digital network like the SEC has done. It is set up like iTunes, but fans can view any of the content for free. If a fan wants to order a DVD of a game, interview, coach's show, etc., they can buy it, which brings in money. You can even watch and order past games, which will be stored in an archive. We've been asking for something like this for quite some time for UH games.

    The idea comes straight out of iTunes but with a football twist. Archived games, highlights, news, interviews and press conferences involving the SEC will be available.

    Viewing the content is expected to be free. Downloading it or ordering a DVD will cost money, creating a new revenue stream for the SEC, which negotiated its copyright away from ESPN and CBS in the latest TV rights deals.

  84. Garret:

    I guess this wouldn't be possible because the WAC doesn't own its copyright on games.

    "This is akin to, but with the real differentiator being does have the rights to live games," said Randy Eccker, CEO and co-founder of XOS. "It's one-of-a-kind in college. Part of it is the timing. Only the Big Ten and SEC own their content."

    The Big Ten was the first conference to take control of the copyright on broadcast games when it launched the Big Ten Network in 2007. The league now airs classic games as part of its "Greatest Games" series.

  85. Garret:

    Wow, the Big 12, ACC, and Pac-10 are looking at working together to create a TV network.

    Extravagant deals for media rights landed in recent years by the SEC and Big Ten set an industry standard. Given the state of the economy, the question is whether another mega-deal awaits for other conferences.

    Sports Business Journal reported last week that the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10 will look into the possibility of creating a single national channel. It would combine the programming of two of those conferences - either the ACC and Pac-10 or the Big 12 and Pac-10.

    Burke Magnus, ESPN senior vice president for college sports programming, can't remember two conferences ever considering joining together in a TV deal.

    "Personally, it just seems against the way these guys operate in every other facet of their business, which is independent," Magnus said. "But I'm not going to suggest it couldn't happen."

    Magnus said ESPN is still able to offer "very substantial" exposure and financial packages to the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10.

  86. Garret:

    Karl Benson actually stood up for the WAC as compared to the MWC...too bad his comments today will be ignored and everyone will focus on Mac's comments.

    The soundbite that might raise the most eyebrows, however, came from conference commissioner Karl Benson, who declared the WAC is every bit as recognizable on a national and regional scale, if not more so, than the Mountain West Conference.

    According to Benson, though, the WAC still has decades of history, tradition and even a little misunderstanding working in its favor.

    "It's how you define 'recognizable,' " Benson said.

    "The history that the WAC has had and the tradition that the WAC has had is what still allows us to claim that we're more recognizable than the Mountain West."

  87. Garret:

    Karl Benson is trying to get the WAC in a prime position with the Poinsettia Bowl. This makes sense to me because the Pac-10 cannot meet their obligation to the Poinsettia Bowl each year and San Diego is a great location for a Bowl costs lower than many other bowls and a good TV slot.

    The Western Athletic Conference could be in position to move into a primary roll with the Poinsettia Bowl beginning in 2010, WAC commissioner Karl Benson said in his state of the conference address today.

    The WAC signed a contract last year to place a team into the bowl if a team from either of its primary conferences, the Mountain West and Pac-10, was not able to place a team. Boise State took the Pac-10's spot last year and faced Texas Christian in a game that pitted two top-15 teams (TCU won, 17-16).

    The Pac-10's agreement with the San Diego-based Poinsettia Bowl ends after the 2009 season.

    "Assuming this materializes (the WAC) could replace the Pac-10," said Benson, who added that he could not "solidify anything."

    Benson said a possible scenario could be for both the WAC and the Naval Academy to enter into a "tri-arrangement" with the Mountain West.

  88. Kazz:

    Maybe Coach Mack was looking at Karl Benson when the phrase or word(s) were uttered and it slipped out like some sort of physical and mental reaction much like how if you are having dinner and all of a sudden the food on your plate smells of human feces. Naturally you are going to have a strong negative reaction to it.

    I think an investigation into Karl Benson's physical presence at WAC press conferences and the effect it has on coaches, fans, and media should be looked into. :lol:

  89. Garret:

    On a positive note, Jake Ingram practiced today.

    Long snapper Jake Ingram signed a four-year deal and hit the practice field with the rest of his teammates for the first official day of training camp. The sixth-round pick did miss four days of work with his fellow rookies, who have been practicing since July 26, but his signing means the Patriots successfully inked deals with 11 of their 12 draft picks. The lone exception is linebacker Tyrone McKenzie, the third-round pick who tore his ACL during rookie mini-camp and is likely lost for the season. Obviously there’s no urgency to get his deal done.

  90. Don Weir:

    San Diego Bowl Game Experience for Fans
    1. Tranportation Ease SD Trolley runs to/from the border, encircles the entire city & most of county, links to AmTrak and SD's North Coast (Coaster)
    2. Trolley has a station at Qualcomm
    3. Plenty of reasonable hotel rooms
    4. Zoo, Seaworld, train to/from Disneyland
    5. Little Italy restaurants and local Mexican food
    6. 3 Indian casinos within a 35 mi radius with shuttles
    7. Hawaiian flies in once per day to SD, 2-3 times LAX

  91. Garret:

    Don Weir,

    8. I live in San Diego so it would *really* cut down on my travel costs to attend the game!

  92. JK:

    Yeah why can't we see the old games somehow. I would love to see full football games of classics like BYU, Iowa, Air Force, SDSU, Boise St, Northwestern, Michigan St, and Alabama. KFVE should have something so we can watch those games. I would love to see Gary Allen, Al Noga, Niko Noga, and Dana McLemore in footage. Relive those moments.

  93. FloridaTed:

    What an incredible storm in the water glass !!

    This is totally blown out of proportion and just kept alive by wagging tongues. I should be clear to anyone, that Big Mack didn't mean to hurt anybody, but it was just one of those unfortunate moments when one thinks the press is your friend, lowering ones guard and says stupid thinks, imagening to be funny.

    85% of athletes and media types THINK very similar, but crucify anyone who dares to speak it out loud, even just in stupid jest.

    Everybody just calm down, move along, there is nothing to see here.

  94. A-House:

    I feel badly for Coach Mack as once said you can never take it back, but he has apologized to everyone.

    His choice of words may have appropriately described how the opponents were dancing to offset the Hawaii players doing the ha 'a but to many media types around for this kind of misstep.

    I continue to believe in Coach Mack, his integrity, and abilities to make the Warriors a team to be reckoned with in the very near future.

  95. expat:

    I hope McMackin's slip up doesn't affect his show being shown nationally.

  96. Kazz (blkberry_storm):


    Do you have a schedule of fall practice?

  97. A-House:


    I know that a Tsaiko has been after K5 to make "old" UH games available, but has been unsuccessful to date.

    Our problem is that many of the games were shown on ESPN and no way will they release the rights. That been said, many games were on K5 and hopefull, one day, they will be avialable for rent or sale to the general public. We have most of the games on beta or VHS tapes and they are moldy and cannot be cleaned with damaging the cleaning machine.

  98. A-House:


    The Holiday Bowl and Poinsetta Bowl is the same of different?

    We were there for the 1992 Holiday Bowl and enjoyed the public transportation to and from our hotel to many tourist sites. Best was to a nearby mall to eat clam chowder in a bowl on a cold day/night.

    Of course, we were not really prepared for the cold the entire trip. But, we enjoyed the round-trip plane ride with the entire UH Band.

  99. Stretch:

    I wonder how much crap Manti will get over this??

  100. WTRHJB:

    This is now national news, what a shame. It's everywhere: ESPN has it on their website, Yahoo sports has a running blog, and the show PTI just commented on it on the air. It looks like this is going to cost us more then Big Mack's salary. They are saying they will probably not televise Hawaii's games due to bad exposure. They even suggested he be fired. What was he thinking... this was a press conference not a sports bar. Should of hired Norm Chow.

  101. d1島:

    # d1島:
    July 27th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    I hope Stephen can get some quotes like these in SLC....

    See! Mac would have been better served with quotes like these after all....

  102. wveryda:

    Stephen Tsai were you the one laughing in the background on Mac's audio of his ill advised comments?

  103. kama krab:

    You know what this whole situation is just blown out of proportion but of course because it is Hawaii, it just gives the mainland just another thing to dog Hawaii about. Oh well we just got to beat everyone on the field.

    Oh and by the way, Howzit Everybody.

  104. mctruck:

    Anyone who had a bone to pick with UH or coach Mac will now jump on the bandwagon and make a bad thing even worst. Can still blame our former AD for this-o-what??? Hermie where are you???

  105. d1島:

    ESPN's Graham Watson points out that running the story was debated by the media present. That must have been interesting.

    After begging and pleading with the media at the WAC media preview in Salt Lake City to "cover" for him and not print the slur, and then later making a futile attempt at an apology, the media in attendance banded together and decided to run the story.

  106. postmanke:

    Great time to give Mac the Knife now. Cut him loose. AGAIN, I will say it. this guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

  107. kama krab:

    I guess this is just like Obama calling that police officer stupid for arresting that professor. Hawaii can never buy a break with these high profile people.

  108. hapahaoleboy:

    So should the first Call the Coach show be at Hula's?

  109. BIGWAVE96744:

    A-House, did little Midori7 make that 1992 holiday bowl?

  110. BIGWAVE96744:

    practice starts next thursday/friday in the afternoon.. Saturday AM, sun off, mon/tues/wed AM..
    so as told to me by a little bird

  111. Curt:

    Too bad for Coach Mac. It's getting all blown out of proportion now. He's apologized so lets move on.

  112. uhwarrior23:

    Totally blown out of proportion. The national media should be writing about Mack taking a pay cut. He's a great coach and person that made a mistake. He apologized, not we should move on.

  113. d1島:

    PTI rerun just done.

    Wilbon: stupid, dumb
    Kornheiser (sp?): Could get him fired today


  114. d1島:

    The thing that really is going to hurt him is the pleas right afterward to cover it up.

  115. koakane™:

    I am with garett lets change the subject and focuse on how we will man/women up and back the team

    If monday is the first day of fall ball all who can attend should show up and support. anyone know the time the 2 to 3 hrs practice will begin?

  116. letsgowarriors:

    teh media will let this one linger for awhile...great way to start the football season. hopefully this motivates the team to make a statement on the field. fk it

  117. letsgowarriors:

    practice starts thursday.

  118. djmitcho:

    First of all, the 4 letter networks website couldn't even get facts in the story right. Coach Mack said what he said. He apologized for it. He is human just like the rest of us. Right or wrong it happened. For those who think they are above making mistakes, make sure your hands are clean before pointing fingers.

  119. djmitcho:

    d1, the guys on PTI are hacks. Anyone of the Tsaikos could do their job better.

  120. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Coach Mack is a decent and caring man who has made a mistake and has apologized for it.

    To all of the haters now jumping on this I say: "Let those among you who is without sin cast the first stone".

  121. LizKauai:

    First day of Training Camp- Afternoon session

    " Colt Brennan seemed to be getting most of Coach Zorn’s attention in QB drills this afternoon. After the session he spoke about the difference from last year and the value of having a former quarterback in Coach Zorn.

    “It’s a progression I think,” said Brennan. “Last year he was trying to progress me into the league, going from being a college quarterback to being a pro quarterback. Now he’s starting to coach me up as if, ‘ok what would you do if you were the starter.’ I think it’s just part of being a young quarterback.

    “It helps when your coach played the position you play. When he is telling you something he knows exactly how to do it, he’s been there before.”

  122. A-House:


    Midori was up front and one of the loudest fans at the game!!

    Entire family went and Mrs A-House sister and family drove down from Orange County to join us for the game.

  123. LizKauai:


    11-on-11 Session

    The afternoon practice was drill-heavy, so I’m fast forwarding to the 11-on-11 work.

    Here’s a recap of some of the action:

    * Todd Collins took a chance and threw into traffic. The ball bounced off a receiver and fell into the arms of Byron Westbrook for an interception.
    * Rob Jackson did a classic swim move to get past Devin Clark to get pressure on Collins.
    * LaRon Landry showed his athleticism by cutting in front of Trent Shelton to break up a pass.
    * Jason Campbell threw a deep pass to Santana Moss, who had Landry beaten down the left sideline. The pass, unfortunately, was overthrown.
    * Chase Daniel appears to be struggling early on. On a throw in the flat, Doug Dutch came up and broke up the pass.
    * Anthony Alridge continues to flash his speed. His cut-back ability is so swift that he slipped and fell, tripping up a an offensive lineman who was running out in front of him as a blocker.
    * Chad Rinehart and Jeremy Bridges, playing on the left side on the second team, combined to open up a huge hole for Ladell Betts. Prior to the play, the defense may have paid too much attention to Santana Moss, who was in one-on-one coverage against Fred Smoot on the opposite side of the field. When the offense ran left, it appeared the defense was not ready.
    * Get excited, Colt Brennan fans: No. 5 completed consecutive passes, one on a short route to Marko Mitchell and anotther on a downfield route to Santana Moss.
    * Daniel dropped a snap, but was alert enough to pick up the ball, find a hole and scramble up-field for a big gain.
    * Next play, Jim Zorn had to call Daniel back from the line of scrimmage. "Huddle up," he yelled, frustrated that the offense was not in a correct formation. At the line of scrimmage, Daniel dropped back and completed a nice pass to Mike Sellers across the middle of the field.

  124. uhwarrior23:

    Go Colt!

  125. Garret:

    Liz, great finds on those links about Colt! My Google Reader search actually didn't find those for some reason, so I would have missed those articles.

    This article includes a photo that looks like Zorn teaching Colt a karate kick.

    Anyhow, the photograph above demonstrates today's Karate kick lessons better than any words could, though it turns out Zorn was actually helping Colt Brennan work on his follow-through.

    "What was happening is, when he was throwing to his left, instead of setting up and driving towards his target, he was lifting and swinging his leg over," Zorn said. "And it was making him late, and also making him throw inaccurately."

  126. Garret:

    Samson had his first full workout with the Raiders.

    Samson Satele took part in his first full workout since being obtained from Miami and practiced primarily with Oakland's starting offense

  127. LizKauai:

    The Audio of #121:

  128. d1島:

    still trying to find the papers for your clunker?
    Too Late! :shocl:

    They ran out of money already!

  129. d1島:



  130. wafan:

    Good afternooon, everyone!

  131. wafan:

    Too bad about Mack. Just another reason for the national media to beatup on Hawai'i.

  132. Garret:

    ST posted this:

    Benson said there is a sportsmanship clause in the WAC bylaws, and that McMackin might face sanctions ranging from a reprimand to suspension.

    Thankfully, the WAC has decided not to reprimand or sanction Mac.

    Benson does not plan to discipline McMackin.

    “This primarily will be a University of Hawaii issue,” he said. “There is a sportsmanship piece in our code that may apply and at the appropriate time, we will address it.”

  133. Garret:

    The Associated Press has this article (which you can find all over the web now) about the issue.

    The news of the comments spread fast in the islands where McMackin is widely known as a warm and caring leader who often reaches out to the community.

    "I'm repulsed," said Carolyn Golojuch, a UH alumnus and president of the Oahu chapter of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian and Gays.

  134. LizKauai:

    I am backin' McMackin. No one is perfect and if he be true and makes it real with Ke Akua, something good will come from this "crisis".


  135. kama krab:


    Wilbon: Is stupid and dumb

    Kornheiser: Needs to get fired or just retire because he's getting old.

    Just another way to look at those PTI goofs.

  136. Stephen Tsai:

    Actually, the WAC is going to wait until after UH acts to determine if it will take action.

  137. kama krab:


    Now this is getting out of hand when some U.H. alumnus start sticking her nose into something that has been apologized for. Everybody just needs to get a grip and move on.

    Gay, Lesbian, Black, White, Irish, just give it a rest. The damage has been done don't need to make it worse. Bunch of donkies!!!!!!!!!

  138. LizKauai:

    Hi ST!

  139. LizKauai:

    for you:
    (The Los Angeles Times reports sources close to the show who claim that Paula herself has cut her asking price from $20 million to $12 million annually.)

  140. jaysson:

    I have a question. whats the difference between Mack saying what he did and that Boston Cop all over todays newspaper calling Prof Gates a "jungle monkey". Absolutely non and when the GLADD or other Gay groups get hold of this, it wont be too pretty. Hey, Mack is one of my all time favorite people but what he said was wrong in todays atmosphere. No one of any color, race, religion can say anything, cant joke, cant poke fun, anymore without being called on it. Probably as it should be. Shouldnt be just haole people not being able to say things, should be the same for everyone.

  141. bb:

    So how does 1420 Cover this story? Given that it is the official station, do BC and the Animals throw Mack under the bus or do they downplay it? And then how does Liz Chun and her show deal with this? How does the local media report this when for the most part Coach Mack has been pretty much Mr. Aloha for the past year?

  142. Kazz (blkberry_storm):

    With more time to ponder Coach Mack's boo boo, I support the man but UH needs to take some sort of action.

    Regardless of how much I may think its not a big deal, the man messed up and needs to take in some sort of consequence for the benefit of UH's image.

  143. koakane™:

    Actually, the WAC is going to wait until after UH acts to determine if it will take action

    wtf is up with this

    Benson does not plan to discipline McMackin. “This primarily will be a University of Hawaii issue,” he said. “There is a sportsmanship piece in our code that may apply and at the appropriate time, we will address it.”

    crap what is he waiting for, just do something and get it over with already

  144. koakane™:

    "I'm repulsed," said Carolyn Golojuch, a UH alumnus and president of the Oahu chapter of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian and Gays.

    where were these peeps when UH had other problems needed to be address

  145. d1島:

    Does "repulsed" mean someone won't be coming to any games?

    Just asking....

  146. koakane™:

    ok ok he messed up so lets forfeit the first game and move on

  147. hapahaoleboy:

    Mack apologized. Slap the wrist and move on. Maybe take the pay cut he was volunteering for and instead donate the amount to PFLAG and tell them to get a grip. People make mistakes. I'm repulsed by Golojuch being repulsed. It's a slow news day. Unless the cop and the professor get in a beef, this one will stew for a while...

  148. koakane™:

    ok ok forfeit the first game and lets move on

  149. koakane™:

    wondering if ms repulse supports or attends any of the warrior games

  150. kama krab:


    She just one adda donkey that like stick her nose where it don't belong. Just one of those people that want there voice to be heard but have no reason to say anything. She should just continue doing what she doing and shut her mouth. She must have something better else to do with her time then say a two word bunch of crap.

  151. kama krab:

    Now just waiting for Braddah Lingle for open her mouth and put in her two cents. Once she does that then the world will be in harmony.

  152. FloridaTed:

    Nobody feels more embarrassed and hurt by this then Big Mack.

    I'm actually very surprised that he allowed himself to be that thoughtless in public. I know he's not the most eloquent speaker, but this?

    It's like a fifteen yard, personal foul penalty, 2 points down, on fourth and ten, with one minute to go.

    I'm looking forward to the season and now this useless crap? Why is there always something? The hypocritical press won't let him forget it.

  153. koakane™:

    I stand with bruddah kama

  154. d1島:


    Cop and Professor Involved In Drunken Brawl
    Pun Alum Sings, "Strawberry Shortcake"


  155. Stephen Tsai:

    I was still sleepy from last night's outing when Mack spoke.
    At first, I was like, did he just say that?
    I figured this was going to be big since it happened during a news conference.
    I feel sorry for the guy. He's a good guy, and he had a lapse in judgment. He looked anguished when he left for the airport.

  156. kama krab:

    I also agree that something should happen but no need for all this additional crap from people that are just waiting to talk crap. Just like Wilbon and Kornheiser, who wake up every mourning just looking for something to talk crap about, there are people in this world that just need crap in there life.

  157. Ikaika:

    Get out the Killiens Red and lets invite Mr.Obama to settle this!

  158. d1島:


    No worry, there could be worse things happening....

  159. kama krab:

    Oh and watch now,

    Going have some kind of Gay and Lesbian rally at U.H. Another bunch of donkies!!!!!!!!

  160. (Jesse)James:

    "All I am give peace a chance...."

    C'mon. What was said was said. Coach Mac apologized. I agree UH will have to do something for its image but like the doctor said to the kidney stone patient....this too shall pass.

    Isn't Carolyn Golojuch the same person that filed a complaint against a certain politician for opposing same-sex marriage in Hawaii??? I mean I don't necessarily agree with that politicians viewpoints but what about the right to free thought???

    Eh, nevahmind already. Next thing you know I can't make pordagee jokes about DPK anymore...

  161. d1島:


    Did the media really "band together and decide" to move the story as Graham Watson said?

  162. kama krab:


    What about some good old Heine's for Mac and Obama.

  163. Ikaika:

    kama krab:

    Gotta go for the Irish beer on behalf of Notre Dame AND the Mack!

  164. d1島:

    Well the Former Coach woulda been OK then...he preferred Guinness

  165. 99club:

    That's great news about the Navy game! They'd better move the game up or we'll be opposite USC v. UCLA in the current time slot. Looks like the late season games are the Warriors' time to shine on TV. Let's hope the coaches can use this as a recruiting tool for mainland kids: "You'll be on national TV at least a couple times a year."

    Last yr's TV at the end of the season:
    11/29/2008 Washington St. (ESPN Gameplan)
    12/6/2008 Cincinatti (ESPN)

    This yr's TV at the end of the season:
    11/28/2009 Navy (ESPN-U)
    12/5/2009 Wisconsin (ESPN or ESPN2)

    Stands to reason that in the future:
    12/4/2010 UNLV (ESPN)
    11/26/2011 Washington State (ESPN family)
    11/30/2013 Army (ESPN family)
    11/30/2019 Army (ESPN family)

  166. kama krab:


    You got a point there. Should put one hula skirt on the beer for Notre Dame after they do there f***** dance. HAHAHAHAHA.

    See now am I going to be on the news. Am I going to reprimanded for this. Give me a break.

    Does Golojuch have anything to say now.

  167. djmitcho:

    Maybe to make amends, Coach Mack can take koa-mahu out to dinner

  168. Garret:


    You are correct. After reading that that report over, I realize that I was wrong with my conclusion. Unfortunately, this will prolong the issue...first, JD (or does this escalate to Hinshaw or McClain?) has to decide what UH does, then Karl Benson will take time to decide on what the WAC does. At each step there will be publicity, which will keep this in the spotlight.

    I really think that this is too bad because Mac is a good man who made a mistake...unfortunately, this is a slow time for news so people will focus on this. I hope some other coach or player at some other school makes big news soon to take the spotlight off Mac.

  169. Garret:

    Looks like RGM will get a chance to play this week.

    If Ian Smart is out with an injury, Ryan Grice-Mullen will be activated. He's the guy who dropped the sure touchdown pass a couple games ago at home against Hamilton and is now out of the doghouse.

  170. kama krab:


    Where do we stand in recruiting? Will we be hearing any news about recruits in the near future?

  171. d1島:

    kama krab,

    I think most HS players are already in camp. If I was their coach I'd want them focused on this season.
    Plus the UH coaches definitely need to focus on their own upcoming camp.

  172. JK:

    Hoh boy....i never see Hawaii on any updates on ESPN or ESPN Mobile and then jackpot...i see something...negative. Gooood One!!!! I still say in honor of this we should go back to being called the Rainbows for this season and wear Pink and Black. Much apologies to the gay community.

  173. C rM:

    Hey coach mack.
    Hawaii is a state, u entitled to 1st amendment.
    I back u up.

  174. hapahaoleboy:

    maybe this is all a planned precursor to bring the "Rainbow" back to the UH football program?

  175. Kekoa:

    djmitcho ~ Koa-Mahu can teach a class with Mrs. Mack, and all the world will be a-twitter!

  176. Kekoa: we circle the Tsaiko wagons around coach Mack and dare people to talk chet!...

    It's over, move away from him and nobody gets hurt. Jeez! These people have no life.

  177. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    # (Jesse)James:
    July 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    "All I am give peace a chance...."

    Eh, nevahmind already. Next thing you know I can't make pordagee jokes about DPK anymore...

    Aieeee!!! How dare you say that!!! Okay, that's it, I'm officially pulsed again. No, wait, I'm pulsed once more! No, no, I'm repulsed!! Yeah, thats it! I'm once again repulsed!

  178. labrat:

    Aw crap. Guess what is the big story on the news tonight.

  179. d1島:


    I want you to know that I never thought of you as pulsive....initially!
    Second time? Different story!

  180. C rM:

    Let's invite coach mack and notre dame to have a brew at hau bush (west side).
    It aint da white house lawn but we get scenery.

  181. C rM:

    Oh I forgot.
    Hello tsaikos.

  182. kama krab:

    See I told you and watch now going have one gay and lesbian rally. Such a bunch of BS.

  183. labrat:

    I wonder what Chef Ramsey would say?

  184. kama krab:

    Eh mo betta C rM,

    We go invite them to Nanakuli Beach Park and have a little party with the braddahs over there.

  185. Derek:

    President Obama and Coach Mac should sit down and have a beer and reflect on the day's event. Nobody is perfect. Everybody makes mistakes. He's apologized for his error(s) and I know he feels terrible. He should use this experience to get better and be a stronger person.
    I feel that something will come out good out of this...I don't know when or where or how, but I just have a feeling that it will rally the whole team and coaches behind Coach Mack and play inspired football this season. I really feel that. Things happen for a reason. I'm behind Coach Mac all the way. All you "mothers", have a nice day!

  186. BG:


    Tanks (knew an armor officer too long!) for all the scoops on Colt. Planning on reading some of the Redskins' blog for the next couple of weeks. Hope we can get their preseason games on the telly. Everyone in Hawaii will be watching and cheering for our boy.

  187. BG:

    If no mo other stuff to talk about, I'll sees you all tomorrow...

  188. J-Dog:

    Will be interesting to hear what Mike and MIKE show on ESPN2/radio will say about this story...especially since MIKE Golic is a ND alum.

  189. BigIslandkurt:

    ND gets the last laugh. They kicked our A$$!!

    Now Coach gotta live with some additional hewa.

    I'm sure we will see some gay protests at the gates of Aloha Stadium this season.

    This sucks. C'mon mack. You mo smart than that eh? All of a sudden, all the things you said about recruiting players of good character goes right out the window. Here's an upside though: You'll probably be able to recruit more players from Christian families who hate gays! There might be some hidden blessing in all of this!


  190. LizKauai:

    FloridaTed got it right.
    No one can do anything worse to Coach Mac than he is doing to himself right now.

    I gotta feel like this will be the start of something wider and deeper and better for Coach. He has my prayers- as does the team.

  191. Glenn Miyashiro:

    Sad to say, this will haunt Coach Mac for awhile. He made a big mistake, but being the highest paid state employee and with his status comes great responsibility, he should know better. To try and plea with the reporters to retract his statement, "Hello, what are you thinking"? Boy talk about Hawaii making national news.

    Well Jim Donovan, what's next? I think you mentioned when you were hired that you are holding your coaches accountable, was your statement only pertaining to the almight dollar sign? Or, representing the University in a professional manner.

  192. Kekoa:

    CrM ~ You right brah, better coach Mack hangs out on da Wessi. We get our own homeland security. Garrans dey goin' be respecting his right to free speech. It's kinda hard to talk back to coach while you spitting up blood and cracked teet.

  193. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Glenn Miyasihro ~ You bettah stay your side. Too much trauma ovah here...Oh - and change your name.

  194. NYUH:

    I really like Mac and hope he can get past this.

    I think UH should suspend him for the first game. Rich Miano can coach it.

  195. Mike:

    Thanks for the birthday wishes yesterday folks. And belated Happy Anniversary to G&L! Hope you had another great day together.

    Going off to do my little sausage dance now...

  196. Jason:

    The thing about this whole ordeal to me is that it doesn't surprise me. Well, the comment itself surprises me, because Mack doesn't have a bad bone in his body. That was something totally out of character for him, and I believe he was completely sincere when he apologized for his remarks. But it has been my opinion for a while that Mack is not a good public speaker. In fact, I'd say he's a bad public speaker. He's bright when it comes to coaching football, but he doesn't do a good job of expressing his thoughts to a room full of people. And a lot of times, he either blurts out whatever comes to mind, or he fumbles about trying to figure out what to say. So in that sense, it doesn't surprise me that he said something that he didn't mean to say. But I never expected it to be something so terrible, and on such a grand scale.

    Now the question is, What will Mack's punishment be? Because the only way this gets resolved well is for there to be a firm punishment. I don't think it's worth firing Mack over, but you know there are going to be a lot of calls for that. And let's face it, to the average fan, Mack is not being mentioned with Pete Carroll or Nick Saban. Those of us in Hawaiʻi know Mack, and those who follow football closely know Mack. But he's not a household coaching name, so it doesn't seem as ludicrous to call for his firing than with a more famous name that is the face of the program.

  197. Tae Bo Jackson:

    He should know better--no excuses.

  198. Jason:

    I don't think I posted yesterday, happy birthday to Mike! And happy anniversary to Garret and Lori!

  199. LizKauai:

    Ok- my last mention of this (I hope).
    Something is at play here. Coach Mac is normally very careful with what he says in public. Something happened like a "brain fart". Not something normal. Could be a momentary lapse of consciousness (meaning "uncontrolled" speaking) with a physical brain synapse thing... like tourettes...

    Coach Mac may want to have his head checked (not joking) for abnormalities.
    Still praying for our health, unity and ultimate team success.

  200. letsgowarriors:

    stephen, do u really think macks job is in jeopardy? obviously he made a mistake, but i dont think the punishment should that harsh.

  201. wafan:

    All right! The second century!!!

  202. Manoa Mist:

    I just hope Koa Mahu doesn't hear about this. He'll be heartbroken.

  203. wafan:

    I agree with Jason, Mack does have poor skills as a public speaker. That does not make him a poor thinker, it just means he does not do well extemporaneously. Jason, I sure hope you are a decent extemporaneous speaker -- or soon develop the skill!

    Someone already mentioned it, suspend Mack for the first game as punishment. It gets the message across to the team that behaviors negatively affecting the school, state and team will be punished, and Benson may see it as the UH reacting positively to the behavior.

  204. Committed Road Warrior:

    Talk about a brainfart by Coach Mac. Unfortunately I don't think this will blow over quickly, though my gut tells me that if this was some big-time BCS coach making that comment, things would have been spun differently, almost to the point that such a remark would blow over after a day or two and we would go on with the rest of the season.

    [on my soapbox]

    I'm not going to comment further about Coach Mac's remarks, but it is rather amusing to see a bunch of lurkers come out of the woodworks at the first sense of negative news or bits to affect the UH Athletics. While some of those lurkers over time become regular to semi-regular posters, most of them come to post their s**tpiece then leave, never to return until the next wave of negative press that comes UH's way.

    Yes, people have the right to say what they want, but to the ones who come ONLY to post their negative rant/tirade/comments/remarks, it shows quite a bit of your character (or lack thereof). Where were some of you when things are going good?

    [off my soapbox]

  205. Committed Road Warrior:

    Talk about a brainfart by Coach Mac. Unfortunately I don't think this will blow over quickly, though my gut tells me that if this was some big-time BCS coach making that comment, things would have been spun differently, almost to the point that such a remark would blow over after a day or two and we would go on with the rest of the season.

    [on my soapbox]

    I'm not going to comment further about Coach Mac's remarks, but it is rather amusing to see a bunch of lurkers come out of the woodworks at the first sense of negative news or bits to affect the UH Athletics. While some of those lurkers over time become regular to semi-regular posters, most of them come to post their s**tpiece then leave, never to return until the next wave of negative press that comes UH's way.

    Yes, people have the right to say what they want, but to the ones who come ONLY to post their negative rant/tirade/comments/remarks, it shows quite a bit of your character (or lack thereof). Where were some of you when things are going good?

    [off my soapbox]

  206. Committed Road Warrior:

    I don't know why that double-posted, but oh well.

  207. kama krab:

    Gotta agree CRW.

    If this was Pete Carroll or someone like that, all they would have to say is sorry and then everyone would turn the blind eye. That's just the way the balls rolls when the continental U.S. still believes that Hawaii is not a state and does not belong. At every little chance people will try to push us down, but we just gotta keep on going and in Mac we believe.

  208. Jason:

    I don't think people would be calling for Mack's firing if he said it, apologized, and moved on. But to me, the attempted cover up is the big thing. The fact that there was a previous cover up really compounds things. I don't think Mack meant anything malicious by it. But it was extremely, extremely stupid of him, and some will take that as evidence that Mack is not responsible enough to be the head coach of a FBS program.

  209. COPO:

    McMackin needs to stop being so full of himself, "unbelievable, reckless and irresponsible."

  210. Stephen Tsai:

    d1: band together.
    Graham Watson wouldn't know.
    She wasn't there.
    She's a nice woman and a very good reporter, but I know she passed on an opportunity to attend.

  211. dakine:

    Is it in the realm of possibilities that he honestly does not understand what the word really means? Or am I assuming far too much naievete on the part of McMackin? Regardless, not justifying.... really unfortunate situation and incredibly out of character.

  212. wafan:

    COPO . . .

    I agree, Mack's behavior was "unbelievable, reckless and irresponsible." But, at what point was he full of himself?

  213. Stephen Tsai:

    There were several precursors today:
    1. Mack didn't have a speech prepared.
    2. The sports information director wasn't in the room, nor did he spend any time briefing Mack.
    3. Both underestimated the purpose — and importance — of this event.
    4. UH didn't handle the emergency p.r. very well.
    5. The other reporters don't have as much access to the coaches they cover, so they jumped on the story.
    But the bottom line is: people shouldn't use such phrases. That doesn't make Mack prejudiced or mean-spirited. But it did show a lack of sensitivity.

  214. Stephen Tsai:

    I also could see where Mack felt he was speaking in a limited for-the-record setting.
    He had asked if anybody was from Fresno before making comments about Fresno.
    So when he asked if there were any Notre Dame supporters in the room, I'm sure he felt that he could speak openly. Unfortunately for Mack, ignorance of the law is not a free pass.

  215. Stephen Tsai:

    It is possible he didn't understand the impact of the term.
    I think he wanted to find a synonym for "lame," as in Notre Dame's performance was not as good as UH's. I honestly don't think the gay connotation entered his mind. He certainly made a poor, thoughtless choice.

  216. labrat:

    ST hasn't Mack used the "don't quote me on this" in the past. Maybe it is something he shouldn't do anymore.

  217. FloridaTed:

    Kind of insane to call for his firing after a silly mistake like this.

    Careful, the great, white, negative sharks are in the water, smelling blood.

  218. letsgowarriors:

    this is bullshit!

  219. Jordan:

    I like the work you've done on your site - are you having fun with it? It's interesting and well worth the time to visit.

  220. al:

    yikes. i leave the island for one day and look what happens.

    poor mack, lessons learned that will never be forgotten, by the said person spewing those words. hopefully, i time he will prove to all that he is a good guy.

  221. SailorBlue:

    Coach Mack did make a major mistake. But there was somebody who could have really helped him out - the Sports Information Director (SID). Mrs SB was the Admin Asst for the Navy SID back when David Robinson was the #1 basketball player in the nation. Not once did the coach (who also had speaking issues) or David speak to the media for anything without the SID or or one of his assistants being present. And you know what, we never had any of these kind of situations...

    Jason's right, when you have somebody with poor extemporaneous speaking skills, you shouldn't leave them to fend on their own. That's asking for disaster...and a MINOR disaster is what we got...

    This doesn't mean that what Mack was right, but the SID could have helped him ahead of time instead of trying to clean up after the fact.

    Just my two cents...


  222. Garret:


    Not having any SID or support person there was a really big oversight. Is that because UH was trying to save money and limit their travel party?

    Mac not having anything prepared was also a bad idea. If Jason and others are correct that Mac has poor extemporaneous speaking skills, he shouldn't have tried to "wing it" for his 30 minute press conference. All coaches knew that they would have a 30 minute spot to talk to the media, that was reported well in advance of the event.

  223. al:

    since everybody deserves a second chance, so should mack. afterall, ever since he's been a coach here, 1999, he has been a man of great character.

    i am sure everyone of us can say, that at one time or another we too said something we regretted.

    ...nuff said.

  224. Garret:


    There are two bowl games in San Diego. The Holiday Bowl pays more and is the one that you are referring to. Unfortunately, that isn't the bowl game that the WAC has a potential spot in. The Poinsettia Bowl is the game that BSU played in last year and the WAC is trying to get a spot reserved for in the future.

  225. Garret:

    I do *not* understand the talk about firing Mac...I think that was mainly from some radio hosts that want to get some controversy going.

  226. Garret:

    California's budget cuts are hitting the UC schools hard...and the Cal State schools (SJSU, Fresno State, etc.) even harder. UCLA is already going for 10% pay cuts for their highest salary Athletic Department people.

    Athletic Director Dan Guerrero said he expects that he and coaches Rick Neuheisel and Ben Howland will forego as much as 10% of their salaries this year.

  227. Garret:

    JJ is basically done with recruiting for SMU's 2010 class. He says they have 16 commits, but if you count Holyfield from Hawaii there are 18 reported commits. They took a few big recruiting classes in the first two years so this year they apparently have to take 18-20 recruits.

    Jones said the lack of wins last season didn't hurt SMU in recruiting because the Mustangs already have commitments from 16 prospects. While the coaching staff is holding positions for some undecided recruits, Jones said the work for 2010 is largely done.

  228. mana alohi:

    Coach apologized profusedly, at least he didn't "calibrate" his words and danced all around the subject. Let's all get a good night's sleep and tomorrow we'll talk healthcare and how the heck we pay for the massive debt we all will face. Good night John Boy.

  229. Garret:

    Chancellor Hinshaw released her statement.

    Statement by University of Hawaii Mānoa Chancellor Virginia S. Hinshaw: Coach Greg McMackin’s use of a derogatory term during his remarks at today’s WAC event is highly regrettable, offensive and surprising to those of us who know him.

    I know that Coach McMackin deeply regrets his comments because they do not represent his personal beliefs nor those of the University of Hawai’i at Mānoa, which supports an inclusive campus environment for all students.

    Hurtful language like this has no place in our community, and particularly not among leaders of our UH Mānoa campus. Athletic Director Jim Donovan and I will be discussing with Coach McMackin further steps that will be taken to reaffirm his and our commitment to fair and equal treatment of all.

    We have a strong relationship with our Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender community, including Student Services Coordinator Camaron Miyamoto, so we are already working with them as to the best approach to address this issue.

  230. Garret:

    JD released his statement.

    We’re very disappointed regarding the comments Coach Greg McMackin made at the WAC Media Preview earlier today in Salt Lake City. Obviously we don’t condone his remarks, particularly since we take such great pride in the diversity of our state and university. I’ve conveyed my disappointment to him and he has expressed deep regret for showing such poor judgment. Aside from today’s inexcusable statement, Coach McMackin has been a steadfast ambassador for the University and the state of Hawai`i. He has shared with me his anguish and remorse regarding what he said. Further, I have called Notre Dame Athletics Director Jack Swarbrick and apologized on behalf of our athletic department and university. I plan to meet with Coach McMackin tomorrow.

  231. Garret:

    USA Today doesn't seem to think too highly of Colt.

    Where do the Redskins turn if Campbell falters heading into the final season of his contract? Backup Todd Collins is almost 38 and didn't throw a pass last year. And though he successfully led Washington to the playoffs in 2007 when Campbell was hurt, he was operating in Al Saunders' offense, which Collins had studied for years in Kansas City. Zorn likes Colt Brennan, but the second-year player is still raw and adapting to a pro-style offense after years of lighting up scoreboards in Hawaii.

  232. koa mahu:

    I know da gay playahs on da team are pizzed off. Few dem wen text me. Fo shame lol!

  233. BowsForever:

    My rusty 2 cents on Coach Mack and, well, the bad words:

    My guess, most people his age have quite the vocabulary of racist words, whether they're racist or not. Heck, most everyone of any age knows 'em. And since the words are always close at hand, even though they may be held back with no problem most of the time, it's surprisingly easy for a truly regrettable epithet to come unconsciously or semi-consciously (or worse) flying out of one's mouth. Throw in horrific timing and an obvious lack of thinking for Coach Mack and...well, there you go.

    Most of the Hawaii football faithful who've been following Coach Mack know he's a good man, and I have absolutely no doubt he's genuinely apologetic. But the way the times are, he's in for a hurting. He won't get the fairest of shakes in the court of public opinion, less so for national sports news and the rest of the "anything for a story" media, but he crossed the line, and he'll "deserve" what he's getting because of those words he said. I don't like it one bit because I believe Coach Mack is sincere in his apology, but the world ain't fair.

    I'm still 100% behind Coach Mack and I don't think this is cause for his resignation or getting fired, but "public opinion" and certain groups of influential people have a way of being unpredictable. I'm sure more than a few folks calling for his head have had hateful words flash through their minds in their lifetime more than once, they've just been lucky enough not to verbalize it for all the world to hear. Still, there's a potential for a lot of damage to the school and the football program.

    Just my humble opinion, but it's looking like the best chance for Coach Mack to stay our coach is for him to suffer some stiff consequences along with going on an extended apology and reconciliation circuit. Disciplinary action (something along the lines of, "this is the last time you do something like this"), some combination of a significant cut to his pay and a voluntary donation to certain advocacy groups, and the staunch underlying support of the AD and the university would probably be enough. Hopefully, more "important" friends of Coach Mack than myself will stand by him when he needs it the most.

  234. BowsForever:

    Edit to second paragraph: Instead of "racist," I meant discriminatory/hateful-type remarks in general.

  235. Miriam Webster:

    Maybe he just meant to imply that the dance was wimpy or weak looking.

    Coach Mack has nothing against gay men, and its wrong to imply that he does.

    Before you judge anyone, black, white, gay, straight, or pink with purple polka dots, you must first know their heart. Judging Coach by his heart will show that he is a good man. He simply made a poor choice of words.

    Love one another, forgive one another.

  236. madeinhawaii:

    what's the difference between 'faggot' and 'girly-girly man' ? And can we therefore reasonably and truly say that the gay community has embraced the word "faggot" to represent themselves?

  237. Kazz:


    July 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
    ND gets the last laugh. They kicked our A$$!!

    Now Coach gotta live with some additional hewa.

    I'm sure we will see some gay protests at the gates of Aloha Stadium this season.

    This sucks. C'mon mack. You mo smart than that eh? All of a sudden, all the things you said about recruiting players of good character goes right out the window. Here's an upside though: You'll probably be able to recruit more players from Christian families who hate gays! There might be some hidden blessing in all of this!


    You mean we might get a better shot at some SEC recruits?

  238. The Crazy Hawaii Times:

    Hawaii coach discovers foot does not taste good.

    SALT LAKE CITY -- University of Hawaii head coach Greg McMackin discovered that his own foot does not taste very good, or "ono" as most often used in Hawaii, when it made a surprise entry into his mouth at a media briefing at the Western Athletic Conference football preview in Salt Lake City on Thursday.

    "What I was trying to do was be funny and it wasn't funny," he said, according to a recording posted on the Idaho Statesman's Web site. "It's not funny [to find your foot suddenly in your mouth]. Even more, it isn't funny to me."
    The school followed up with a formal statement by McMackin.
    "I sincerely apologize for not engaging my brain into gear before opening my mouth to prevent said foot from entering it. I'm really upset with myself and I'm truly sorry."
    WAC commissioner Karl Benson said McMackin's foot in mouth moment brought negative publicity to the conference "at an event where the purpose was to promote the WAC in a positive manner." Benson said the matter was a “University of Hawaii issue.” Any action the league might take would come after UH addresses the situation.
    The second-year Hawaii coach said he has nothing but respect for the Fighting Irish, who asskicked the Warriors 49-21 for their first postseason victory in 15 years. McMackin called it the worst loss in his 40 years of coaching.
    Hawaii athletic director Jim Donovan, who called Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarprick to apologize on behalf of the university, said he will meet with McMackin on Friday.
    "I've conveyed my disappointment to him and he has expressed deep regret for showing such poor control," Donovan said. "Aside from today's inexcusable foot in mouth occurrence, Coach McMackin has been a steadfast ambassador for the university and the state of Hawaii."
    School chancellor Virginia Hinshaw said she also expressed her disappointment to the coach.
    "Foot in mouth scenes like this has no place in our community and particularly not among leaders of our ... campus," said Hinshaw, adding [with no pun intended], "further steps that will be taken to reaffirm his and our commitment to fair and equal treatment of all."
    Before joining the Warriors, McMackin spent three years with the San Francisco 49ers as associate head coach and linebackers coach under Dennis Erickshun from 2003-05. He has also served as defensive coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks and several college programs including TexAss Tech, Miami, Navy, Ufah and Ida-hoe.
    The news spread fast in the islands where McMackin is widely known as a warm and caring leader who often reaches out to the community.
    Coach McMackin is scheduled to return to Honolulu tonight and Donovan said he anticipates meeting with the coach tomorrow.

  239. madeinhawaii:

    Because, if the gay community have NOT embraced the world "faggot" to truly represent themselves, then there is no issue.

  240. Stephen Tsai:

    The SID was in Utah, he just wasn't in the news conference. I think he was monitoring Estes and Satele.

  241. BowsForever:

    I know may be a little early to tell, ST, but what's your sense/what do your sources say on certain key people (like McClain, Hinshaw, Donovan) supporting Coach Mack, or possibly being swayed by whatever groups make the most noise?

  242. Kazz:

    Committed Road Warrior:

    July 30th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    [on my soapbox]

    I'm not going to comment further about Coach Mac's remarks, but it is rather amusing to see a bunch of lurkers come out of the woodworks at the first sense of negative news or bits to affect the UH Athletics. While some of those lurkers over time become regular to semi-regular posters, most of them come to post their s**tpiece then leave, never to return until the next wave of negative press that comes UH's way.

    Yes, people have the right to say what they want, but to the ones who come ONLY to post their negative rant/tirade/comments/remarks, it shows quite a bit of your character (or lack thereof). Where were some of you when things are going good?


    I agree with you about the "f***ot" lurkers that are coming out of nowhere when stuff goes down. They got as much credibility as Coach Mack has with the mainstream sports media right now.

    BUT, that's what you get when you say something STUPID like what he did today. No bones about it, I was surprised considering the content of his POORLY chosen words.

    Earlier today I sent an e-mail to Coach Mack's UH account in nothing but support of him. Told him that the real fans will be there every Saturday rooting on our Warriors and him.

    Still, all you p*****s out there waiting for bad press to come UH's way, you are the real big flaming f****t q****s and I like to introduce your faces to the corner portion of the curb at any intersection of your choice.

  243. Kazz:

    I still believe Coach Mack said "f*****" simply because he was looking directly at Karl Benson while speaking, thus providing the negative inspiration to use that slur.

  244. BowsForever:

    Don't get me started on certain groups of people. Especially some of those on the Advertiser news article comments thread. Calling Coach Mack a disgrace as some have is going way, way too far. This is probably the first mistake of this type he's ever made in his 40-something years of coaching.

    I'm starting to get the feeling that newspaper article commenters are"special" type of people.

    I...didn't just say something wrong just then, did I?

    Also, the cabbage-eating person who comments on articles sometimes...he's cool by me.

  245. Garret:


    I guess if the SID had to make a choice of who to monitor, it made more sense to monitor Brashton/Estes instead of Mac.

  246. Garret:


    So, what is your excuse for Mac discussing a recruit by name in last year's WAC Football Preview press conference? I think that we cannot blame everything on Karl Benson, otherwise we have no responsibility for anything.

    I'm actually less upset than I normally am about Karl Benson because he finally stuck up for the WAC against the MWC and he apparently helped cover up Mac's mistake in last year's WAC Preview.

  247. Ralph:

    remember e bolla, his first offense resonated negativity regarding the sexuality of one of his bb players. His second encounter, allegedly kicking a player, resulted in his firing. Along comes Coach Mac's remark, socially insensitive and deragotory, when the subject of gay rights, gay marriage, abortion, etc. inflames the passion of many of our citizens. Coach Mac will face the wrath of his comment for many months and through the season. Everytime a reported from a different media local faces him he will be asked the same question, are you a gay basher?, what are his thoughts on gay and lesbian isssues , it won't go away. The University needs to act quickly, I'm glad Garret posted Hinshaw's and Donovan's statements to the media, but their action on Mac needs to be done sooner than later.

  248. Garret:

    Free play link time. Please ignore my next 5 posts if you do not want to read the off-topic stuff.

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  249. Garret:

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  250. Garret:

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  251. Garret:

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  252. Garret:

    Tenant made a post on Twitter to complain about her landlord…the landlord saw the Tweet and sued the tenant for $50,000.

  253. Garret:

    Free play links pau.

  254. Ralph:

    the SID should have been with Mac, he makes a half hour speech, whereas the players are asked questions and their answers are usually straight forward about football nothing controversial.

  255. Garret:


    JD said that he's going to meet with Mac tomorrow. I'm sure that JD and Hinshaw spent a lot of time today talking with each other and others to consider what should be done. But nothing should be done until JD and Mac can talk face-to-face and have an open discussion to understand what each person is thinking about the situation.

    I'm glad that Chancellor Hinshaw and JD got their statements out already and I'm sure that they will do all they can to keep ahead of this issue.

  256. Garret:


    But players might have a lot less experience with the media than a head coach. I've read and seen a lot of controversial answers given by players!

  257. Kazz:


    July 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    So, what is your excuse for Mac discussing a recruit by name in last year's WAC Football Preview press conference? I think that we cannot blame everything on Karl Benson, otherwise we have no responsibility for anything.

    My Karl Benson comment was said in jest.

    Nothing more.

    I don't have much to say about what he did and I refuse to get into a multi-paragraph post about it.

    To me I hope the situation pans out this way:

    -Coach Mack apologizes again for comments.
    -UH fines Coach Mack for his inappropriate comments.
    -UH football rolls into Fall Camp.
    -UH football season starts.

  258. Kazz:


    July 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Along comes Coach Mac's remark, socially insensitive and deragotory, when the subject of gay rights, gay marriage, abortion, etc. inflames the passion of many of our citizens. Coach Mac will face the wrath of his comment for many months and through the season.

    I'd like to meet some of these "passionate citizens" in person should they attempt to "protest" during fall camp or a home football game.

  259. Kazz:

    Hmmm, I know Coach Mack was angry about they way we played in the 2008 Hawaii Bowl, but my friends can testify that WORSE language was spoken by me after the game.

  260. el guapo:

    I wasn't at the banquet or the news conference. Maybe the Notre Dame players were carrying little torches while doing their chant? I don't know.

    I don't think recruits will hold this against Mac, maybe their parents will. The big problem for him is that the incoming UH president is a known lesbian.

  261. Garret:

    To me I hope the situation pans out this way:

    -Coach Mack apologizes again for comments.
    -UH fines Coach Mack for his inappropriate comments.
    -UH football rolls into Fall Camp.
    -UH football season starts.


    I agree with all of this!

    I just wanted to point out that at this point in time I'm actually not that upset at Karl Benson...I think that is the first time in years that I've been able to say that!

  262. Garret:

    el guapo,

    I didn't know that about the incoming President...really bad timing for Mac!

    I hope that some parents don't hold this against Mac. I'm sure that Mac takes the time to get to know the parents (he's a smart recruiter after all), and they will realize that he is a good man.

  263. Garret:

    Should we really be proud that the ha'a UH did was so much better than the chant Notre Dame did before the Hawaii Bowl? All I care about is what happened on the field...winning the chant battle did nothing for the game.

  264. Garret:

    Here is the KGMB article and video about the controversy.

  265. Garret:

    KHON's report included the first quote I've seen from McClain.

    "I'm angered and disappointed by the statement attributed to coach Mcmackin this morning, it certainly does not represent the values of the University of Hawaii," the school's president, David McClain said.

    "Whether he intended to promote personal homophobia or now, his actions had the same result, because his actions sent that same message and I don't think that's acceptable in any way," said Rachel Mckenna, of the XYZ Gay Straight Alliance, U.H. Manoa.

    Sabine Lowrey, a student at U.H says, "You know, if you can't stand by your school's coach, then you're not gonna really want to go out there and support the team because the coach is a reflection of the team."

    "I think a lot of low attendance and maybe a lot of protesting, a lot of boycotts, I do feel so," said another student, Shawna Espere.

    The Board of Regents will be taking up the matter in executive session at its next meeting.

  266. Ralph:

    el guapo i hope you are not spreading inflamed innuendos toward our incoming president. Third party info or knowledge in this instance and based on the content of your claim in uncalled for at this time. I believe you are on the big Island, far away from Greenwood in Santa Cruz and Davis, so I am not sure of your direct knowledge of her social life, and I'm sure that she and Hinshaw will give coach Mac a fair chance to explain himself and exonerate himself.

  267. Garret:

    This Fresno Bee columnist *really* tore into Mac. This person is obviously upset and using this as a platform for a larger societal issue...

    There are plenty of Americans who believe that being gay is a sin, Americans who think gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married, even think gay people are going to hell, and here's the thing: Most of those Americans would never use that word.

    It's hateful. Most people aren't hateful.

    And yet Greg McMackin, the head coach of the Hawaii football team, used it, not once, but three times. Not in the privacy of anyone's home, or joking around at the bar, but at an event designed for coaches to make an impression about their upcoming season.

    How embarrassing for Benson that one of his football coaches believed he could use such language in front of a Division I conference commissioner and not get in trouble.

    Moments like that cost Fresno State several million in lawsuits.

    If you haven't heard it yet, McMackin was telling a story about Notre Dame football players doing a chant leading up to last year's Hawaii Bowl when he used the word, but the innocence of his intent is not the question. He meant it in a derogatory way, and he knew it was wrong before he ever used it. It didn't slip out. It wasn't blurted in anger. He casually told the reporters to leave the word out of their stories, that he would deny it if they told the truth, or say he was misquoted.

    WAC officials apparently convinced him he needed to make an actual apology, and so he came back to "officially, officially apologize."

  268. koakane™:

    people give it a rest and lets move on. I sure dwelling on this doesn't make it any better. Mac being an outstanding person will do what is right. Let us support his decision and hope the UH powers have the common sense to act appropriately.

    I still stand by coach Mac and believe him when he say's he always has the Hawaiian people in his heart.

  269. Garret:

    Interesting tidbit at the end of the column.

    A better question is, what message does that send to the gay students at Hawaii? What about the gay athletes at the school? What does it tell them when the highest paid coach at the school shows a side like that?

    This, coincidentally, at a school where for years the mascot was the Rainbows, a symbol of gay pride.

    And if you think there aren't gay football players, you are living in the dark. Fresno State has had at least two football players who were gay, just in the past five years.

    Neither wanted it to be public information. Wonder why.

  270. Tae Bo Johnson:

    This is what Tae Bo Johnson says:

    What Coach Mack said doesn't exempt him from any impunity. And he's admittedly very regretful, repentant and remorseful. He's said he's very sorry for the negative publicity it brought to the university and school.

    To the powers to be and the national audience looking on:

    I beg on behalf of Coach Mack in giving him forgiveness. The use of the derogatory word as an adjective describing a dance is bad. And insensitive. But not as bad if he had used the word in a sentence as a noun in referencing and directing it to a group of people. He didn't direct it towards anyone, but instead as a barb and as lampooning of the dance the ND players did at the pregame banquet.

    If he had referenced and directed it to a group then, maybe, it would be lights out for him. But using the derogatory word as an adjective I hope people can see that he didn't propagate any ill will or malice to anyone. But instead he was being himself, which today's mistake will teach him to be cognizant of what he says from now on.

    And he will. There's no doubt that he wouldn't.

    To the Warrior football players:

    In your Coach Mack's heart of hearts he loves each and everyone of you players. I can see he truly does, and I hope you can sense that, too. Sometimes in the heat of battle humans say and do the wrong things. And your coach did today. But deep down and inside you all know he's a good guy. And his peers think well of him, too, and know rightfully that today's comment he made today doesn't reflect badly of the type of person he really is.

    By alluding to what he thought of the other team's dance unfavorably might been a slippage but it also may have been the truth. And it maybe telling you of what he thinks (maybe) of the world of you players and your dance (ha'a) in comparison to others. .Just a personal opinion.

    I hope you players are bonding together and showing support for Coach Mack. Football teaches many life's lessons that you can carry away from the game long after it's over. Today you surely learned one. But what I want you to do is grab some inspiration from what happened today and fight hard for Coach Mack, the program, the school and for yourselves and rise above all of this and prosper this year..

  271. SailorBlue:


    Re #250 - drug carrying semi-submersible. Believe that to be 5000 kilos or pounds. A Los Angeles Class attack submarine only displaces about 6,500 tons. A semi-submersible would have to be bigger than that to carry a cargo of 5000 MT. As far as I am aware, the drug smuggling semi-submersibles aren't that big yet...

    Cheers, SB

  272. Garret:

    There are over 40 other articles I've found already...I'm done posting these articles, though I thought that the Fresno Bee one was interesting enough to post.

  273. BowsForever:

    I can't say I'd expect a Fresno columnist to be particularly nice to Coach Mack.

    I'm hoping we can all move on fairly quickly after Coach Mack makes his apologies, pays whatever dues are necessary and moves on. Hard to account for those "standing in judgment" people out there, though.

  274. Garret:


    Thank you for the clarification. The number I quoted was from US Customs and Border Patrol...but they could have exaggerated. Or the next generation of semi-submersibles are even bigger than before.

    Based on the size of the semi-submersible, this interdiction is estimated at 5,000 metric tons of cocaine.

  275. Garret:

    I didn't realize that Mac would have to pay UH if he was fired. I do NOT think that he should be fired, but this clause surprised me.

    At a million dollars a year, Mcmackin is the state's top paid employee. According to the coach's contract, termination for cause could be based on anything that disregards the character of the university or causes notorious and public scandal. He would have to pay back about a half million dollars if let go. Mcmackin arrives back in Hawaii Thursday night.

  276. Kazz:


    KITV interviewed a few UH students that represent the gay and lesbian community and while they all agree that what Coach Mack said was offensive and inexcusable, they agreed that asking for his "resignation" was far too harsh of a punishment.

    However, Ms. Espere's assumption of lower than normal attendance figures and "a lot of boycotts" is nothing more than the assumptions of a UH student looking to get her quote in the media and she obviously has no clue about the demographic of the average UH fans with regards to a mass reaction to this specific situation. Of course I am not saying that UH fans support "gay bashing", but basically the only thing that will keep UH fans away is the win-loss record.

    Besides the poll on the front of the Advertiser's website shows HEAVY support from voters that Coach Mack shouldn't be punished following his recent apology.

    Personally I think Coach Mack SHOULD be reprimanded, fined, and sent to some sort of "sensitivity" training class. My reasoning for it is strictly in relation to the PR aspects.

    UH should take some action regardless of whatever comes out of Coach Mack's face to face meeting with JD tomorrow morning.

    If Coach Mack's "punishment" from UH is swift and just, then I believe "half" of the "healing process" is already complete.

    There will be NO outlandish protests, no severe "boycotts", and then some UH students can go back to blaming some other reason as to why they don't want to go to UH home games. :roll:

  277. Kazz:

    Anyone representing Fresno State shouldn't really talk.

    Someone representing a university where the home fans heat up loose coins with lighters to throw onto the back of the necks of opposing players and fans really have nothing to say regarding social matters.

  278. el guapo:


    Go do your own research on the subject. I'm too tired to go find it again, and time will tell the truth.

    I do not care what her sexual preference is. The problem is how McClain, Hinshaw, and JD react due to their knowledge of this. All I am pointing out is this doesn't bode well for Mac given the circumstances, in addition to it sounding extremely insensitive.

  279. Garret:


    I agree with you that Mac should be reprimanded, fined, and sent to sensitivity training. He might also have to do some public service things to help things settle down. He's also got to be really careful the rest of the year because the media scrutiny will be intense and his words will be analyzed closely now.

    I agree with you that the sooner everything can be taken care of the better. It is unfortunate that Mac has such a long plane ride from Utah to Hawaii and cannot have any meetings or interviews then. That must be a long, emotional flight for Mac.

    I do think that some people might not attend the games partially because of this. You are correct that the win/loss record is probably the biggest factor, but the economy and everything can play a factor. Having one more excuse not to attend the games could be enough to stop some people from going...especially the students, who don't need an excuse to stay away from the games!

  280. Kazz:


    -Still upset and disappointed at how careless Coach Mack was with his comments.

    -Still support Coach Mack no matter what.

    -Should I hear in any official capacity that UH is even remotely considering the termination clause of Coach Mack's contract, UH athletics better find 8 people to replace my season tickets going forward.


    Oh and to Ms. Jo-Ann Adams, did you even know who Greg McMackin was before today???? Yeah I thought so... :roll:

  281. Kazz:

    On KHON Gov Lingle and Rep Calvin Say both felt Coach Mack was sincere with his apology.

  282. Garret:


    This link was among a large number of reports I found in the past few minutes that seem to indicate what el guapo was talking about.

  283. G (China):

    Personal confession: In my younger years, I admit I used that word a lot never knowing what it meant. I don't use it anymore.

    Personal experience: Most gays I've met don't understand all the grandstanding that happens in gay parades (I lived in the Bay Area) and sometime take offense by being misrepresented by them. If you don't believe me why only a few thousand show up to get marriage certificates. They are thoughtful enough to relate on a reasonable level.

    Personal offended: I don't understand why people are attacking Christians. I am one and have had many friends that I relate with that are gay. One even became a Christian. I also have many Christian friends from the South and they are not of the character to just hate. I became their friends out of love not hate.

  284. Garret:

    It is official--RGM will be returning kicks during BC's game on Friday.

    B.C. running back Ian Smart (knee) will miss the game. Ryan Grice-Mullen takes over kick return duties with Trestin George.

  285. Old Diver:

    The only was Coach Mack will be able to do more community service is if a seven day week is extended to eight days.

  286. el guapo:

    The other day when the discussion of linebackers came up, seemed like no one mentioned RJ Kiesel-Kauhane, even though he was projected as a starter at one point. And for me the problem was that even given my bad memory, I can't seem to recall him being on the field much or hearing his name called besides on special teams, even though I know he was there. Is he still in the mix?

  287. Ralph:

    anyone in the know, including Tsai...regarding E Bolla's first incident where the player charged that her sexuality was challenged and HF did nothing to remedy the situation, and E Bolla was merely issued a warning- is there a lawsuit in the making or pending? This is the second incident within 3 years that the UHAD office is addressing involving one of its coaches and the topic of sexual orientation.

  288. SteveM:

    [sigh] ...the discussion goes on. I'll put my oars into the water here-- I think Mack should issue an apology to Notre Dame, since it was their errrrr-- petite (?) dance moves he was alluding to. Then apologize to the WAC for his vocabulary slip.

    But I think that is the "formal" end to Mack's iliability.

    Then, it is nobody elses' business--they can read anything they want into it and make anything they want out of it. It's a free country. Mack was not addressing them.

  289. βρεω808:

    If you get a cut or scrape, a scab will soon form and eventually the wound will heal.

    If you continue to pick and scratch at it, it will take much longer to heal, and possibly get infected... then...?!!

    ENOUGH already!!! Everybody! :twisted:

  290. madeinhawaii:

    Hey? Does this mean.. no more Koa-Mahu jokes?

  291. d1島:


    Sometimes what happens is a bigger injury comes up to take your mind off things.

  292. oldshoes:

    How should have Mac described the Irish Clap Dance?

  293. Ralph:

    wow D1 you're up late!

  294. Ralph:

    Brew you got another project deadline, it's about 3 am for you

  295. Kekoa:

    Just thought we needed to get another definition of the word "faggot."

    faggot (1)

    1279, "bundle of twigs bound up," from O.Fr. fagot "bundle of sticks," from It. faggotto, dim. of V.L. *facus, from L. fascis "bundle of wood" (see fasces). Esp. used for burning heretics (a sense attested from 1555), so that phrase fire and faggot was used to mean "punishment of a heretic." Heretics who recanted were required to wear an embroidered figure of a faggot on their sleeve, as an emblem and reminder of what they deserved. Crazy how some words evolve from simple roots.

    For whatever it's worth. I personally could care less about all this crap. Let's play some football and let the worry warts worry about all this...Sheesh!

  296. Kekoa:

    Brew ~ I'm with you. I promise to end it all...and start the new day off by saying...Happy Aloha Friday!

  297. Ralph:

    Kekoa you were too early, now its aloha friday, have a happy one and see you at the cc.

  298. Ralph:

    did Tsai return or is he at Wendover again?

  299. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Ralph ~ My sundial is calibrated to the blog clock. I'm never on time. Catch up with everyone at the cc today.

    I'm gonna try not to talk about you know what.. 'Nuff sed already.

  300. madeinhawaii:

    I'm Spartacus! ...

    Make that "300".

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  302. Alohasks:

    Thing does Coach Mac's ego and self-confidence handle the aftermath of this painful experience? No matter what he does, the humiliation resurfaces. While surrounded by supportive souls in Hawaii, the offender yearns for a change of scene to escape the pain. If he hasn't already, I bet June Jones has called Mac to console his friend. Could a coaching position at SMU be far behind? Stranger things have happened in the wonderful world of sports!

  303. pehea:

    Listen to the audio. He didn't say it in a derogatory way! LGBT stop playing victim. WAC back your coach up, I mean you all lauged at him when he said it. Stop being so damn "Politically Correct"