Changes are coming

October 27th, 2010
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With exit talks heating up among the WAC, Nevada and Fresno State, it is clear that the thing UH fans have been putting off is becoming a reality: Things are going to change. 

Is change bad? A few years ago, there was a collective groan when the WAC scrambled to replenish its membership. But now, the Utah State and Idaho became important UH football games. And Utah State has been a boost to WAC basketball. Suppose, say, Seattle and Denver were added as basketball members. Wouldn't those be substantial market gains over the current membership? Seattle or Fresno? Denver or Reno? 

The thing is, UH is in a situation where any plan it has — independence/Big West, stay put — is a backup plan. Boise, Fresno and Nevada get to brag about their prom dates; UH is spouting the fun of going stag. 

Not sure if things will be better. Not sure if they can get any worse. But things will change. 

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Don't feel guilty about watching the Boise State-UH telecast for free or getting a refund from the pay-per-view subscription. As part of the contract with Oceanic/K5, UH is guaranteed $2.3 annually. UH won't be getting anything less than what it expected. And nobody should feel sorry for Oceanic's bottom line. 

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David Graves, who served as the scout quarterback the past few weeks of practices, is back at quarterback. But he did earn another assignment: He's now the middle man on the hands team that receives onside kicks.

626 Responses to “Changes are coming”

  1. Cheyah!:

    Go Warriors!


  2. bighilofan2:

    Good morning Tsaikos everywhere.


  3. Cheyah!:

    The week is going by too slow! I want to see some Warriors mashing da potato heads! I hope fans pack the stadium, the team deserves it!

    Go Warriors! Payback time!


  4. Last Call:

    Things will change but things will only get better if we leave the WAC. If not we'll continue be the biggest joke in the NCAA.


  5. Stephen Tsai:

    UH won't be a joke if it stays in the WAC.
    UH would be a joke if it stayed in the WAC and didn't win.


  6. Cheyah!:

    Changes will come but one thing will remain, Warrior fan for Life! Cheyah!


  7. Cheyah!:

    UH needs to do what's best for UH!


  8. curveball:

    Morning all..off to protect the shores of Oahu


  9. bb:

    Does change include UH football games for free on television lower ticket prices, and reduced premium seat fees?

    JP is back on. I give him props because callers are calling him on some of the things he has said, and how he has said it. He has dealt with each one accordingly. It is clear though that some of the listeners are fed up at his delivery and format. He reads the boards so he is probably reading this and knows the feelings of many.

    Traffic is bad. But 1420 has been a little more exciting today.


  10. longdistance808:

    Top 10?


  11. 808ike:

    top12.


  12. whitey:

    Change is nearer than you think. Da Warriors will make the season changing game this week and the WAC will feel the heat from the the south.


  13. Last Call:

    If you want to continue to be laugh at,disrespected,snubbed and all the other stuff you complain about then stay in the WAC .


  14. Last Call:

    Spent 2 minutes this morning listing to that clown on 1420. This guy has one of the most nauseating radio voices on the air waves.


  15. LizKauai (iPad):

    Aloha Kakahiaka!


  16. A-joe:

    STAY! STAY! STAY! Keep the WAC intact at all cost! Promise! Independence will always be an option. But it's a line, once crossed, will never be able to go back over.

    This BCS crap will change. The 16 team playoff being proposed will make the entire NCAA landscape rich beyond their wildest dreams! You think money is hard to come by now, Independence in the new format will be worse than it is now. We're gonna be kickin' ourselves in the ass n nuts simultaneously every morning for leaving!

    Just don't succumb to knee jerk short sightedness, sit tight, hang on and ride out the storm. I promise- Boise, Nevada and Fresno will regret ever leaving!


  17. Hank:

    Good Morning everyone...

    "Not sure if things can get any worse..."

    Common Stephen, things aren't that bad - the Warriors are rolling and we live in Hawaii nei...hey, there are those in Afghanistan without any radio reception, or the really unfortunate ones in Reno talking about how they could have gone to the Rose Bowl...and now are playing for the New Mexico Bowl.


  18. LizKauai (iPad):

    Last Call. I can only get 1420 in certain places while I am driving. Unless I use my iPhone app. But my last two attempts at calling in were successful so I can listen while they have me on hold. But, of course, when they hang up, I can hear nada.


  19. LizKauai (iPad):

    A-Joe's reasoning sounds good.


  20. Stephen Tsai:

    Josh Pacheco is filling in for Bobby Curran, who is tending to a family matter. Keep Bobby and his family in your prayers.


  21. Garret:

    Given the success of the football team which drives PPV sales, UH and Oceanic surely expected to get well beyond the base $2.3 million that UH is guaranteed. $2.5 million, probably more, was expected and that will be reduced quite a bit by the BSU game not being on PPV. If we complain about a horridly small compliance staff (leading to delays in players getting cleared and some eligibility issues) a lack of marketing, limited recruiting budgets, etc., we *have* to acknowledge that many of UHAD's problems stem from simply not having enough money..

    However, letting viewers donate the refund to UH is a *great* idea. UH was only going to get a percentage of the PPV sales for the BSU game, with Oceanic keeping the bulk of the money. UH will get 100% of the donation and may come out ahead. I agree that Oceanic has more than enough money and we shouldn't worry about them.


  22. chopsueyboy:

    Top Twenty-Five!


  23. whitey:

    The WAC is ok and have no problem with uh being part of it. It is not a loser, but will be a solid conference when all this mess is straigtened out. The only change I would like is to change the commissioner. Maybe just hoping, but if Benson is gone, the WAC will be a conference and not just one school with other players.


  24. A-joe:

    Garret- Excellent idea to donate it back to UH!


  25. gigi-hawaii:

    Liz,
    looks like I won't be able to play Scrabble with you at the Tgate on Saturday. David and I have reserved 2 tickets to the open house at the Laie Mormon Temple. Don't know what we will do if it rains, but it looks like a go.

    Although we are not Mormons, we want to see the temple, because after this season, it will be closed to outsiders for maybe another 30 years. It was last open 30 years ago. People tell me it is very beautiful.


  26. chopsueyboy:

    How is it that we get less day to prepare for road games
    and Utah State has a bye before our game
    and Boise State gets extra days for their home game
    against us by playing on a tuesday night?


  27. RainbowCliff:

    Good morning Tsaiko Nation !

    YES, it is time to leave the "WEAK WAC" !

    It really serves no purpose for any national recognition and
    when the defectors leave the conference it is going to get
    worst with possible teams of Seattle University, Denver University,
    UC Davis, Montana State or Scramento State joining this depleted
    no RESPECT athletic conference.

    Going Independent in football with all other sports joining the Big West
    is the BEST solution at this point. Continue to stay in the WAC will
    just cause frustration among LOYAL fans who want to see UH recognized
    on the national stage and it's players being consider for national awards.

    Saying is one thing but doing it is another as AD Jim Donovan has his cup
    filled and will leave his mark on UH athletics during his tenure at this critical
    juncture for the survival of Hawaii athletics.

    So many problems Hawaii has with distance, opposing teams traveling budgets,
    scheduling worthy opponents and major conferences shutting their doors with
    "no entry sign" or "invitation" for Hawaii to bring it's competitive athletic teams in.

    Time is ticking as answers and ACTION has to happen. Staying in the WAC will only
    lead to heart break city and NO RESPECT from a national audience who holds the keys
    for national recognition !

    UH needs POLITICAL intervention and BIG MONEY to influence !

    Who in or outside of Hawaii has that ?


  28. Shoko:

    I say keep our options open. Alot could happen...

    Oh, morning gang! :)


  29. whitey:

    if Benson is gone, there are many WAC possibilities. One, would love to see the WAC move it's hqtr from CO to Salt Lake City or Sacramento. Why should we stay in a state that has no WAC team???


  30. Pomai:

    Even though I think the WAC is one of the weakest conferences I have to agree with A-Joe, I feel a playoff is coming, not sure how long it will take but is on the way. We should be the top dog in the WAC and being that, get into the playoffs where we will make a lot of $$$. But again it comes down to the same as it is right now - WINNING


  31. whitey:

    or even San Diego.


  32. Pomai:

    OK Benson is gone, "WHO DO YOU HIRE"?


  33. Shoko:

    Too much money at risk for a playoff system. Unless there is federal intervention, I don't see it happening in the near future.


  34. Pomai:

    whitey maybe it should move to the senior schools state>>>>>>>>>>>


  35. Pomai:

    Shoko if done right there is 10 times the amount of money with a playoff.


  36. Pomai:

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  37. whitey:

    if the word "big time" has any meaning, how will uh become "big time" being an independent. uh is respected in football even tho we may not be "big time". do you see a kentucky, texas tech, kansas, notre dame, byu ranked ahead of us in football??? not too long ago, those were "big time" football power houses, but are now just average team. even if we go independent, how will that change our exposure??? Our exposure will go from the present to "oh yeah, there is a team in hawaii". Our football team has more to lose from going independent.


  38. Garret:

    chopsueyboy,

    UH plays 13 games while a lot of other teams like BSU play 12 games. So, UH will have 1 less bye week than most other teams. BSU's Tuesday game was selected by ESPN, not by BSU.


  39. whitey:

    pomai, for one, i would not hire a lawyer who is tied to any of the WAC schools. HNL is also another good place.


  40. whitey:

    hump day and time to go like d1 says, hi ho.


  41. Shoko:

    Pomai,
    That may be true, but the problem is the playoff system payout would be split within the conference. Presently, if UH made another BCS appearance, that 3 million that the Warriors would have made in a playoff system would be split in the conference. The playoff system is based on units and I think its harder for upsets to occur in football than basketball or baseball. I would think that a football playoff system would entail similar aspects as other D1 college sports that have a playoff system.

    Got a meeting to go to, so I'll check back later...


  42. klo:

    WARRIORS 52 IDAHO 24


  43. Last Call:

    Amazing how some love sitting under the coconut tree watching opportunities pass them by pretending things will get better someday by doing nothing.


  44. Garret:

    Shoko if done right there is 10 times the amount of money with a playoff.

    Pomai,

    This is not really a sure thing. Everybody likes to point to the NCAA basketball tournament as a model, but did you realize that the "haves" (Big East, Big 10, Big 12, etc.) get *more* of the money from the NCAA tournament than the "have-nots" like the WAC gets than the BCS bowl system provides?

    A playoff system would probably have the lower-seeded teams open with first-round games at the home stadiums of the champions of the AQ conferences. Do you want to take a guess of what UH's records is when playing at non-last-place AQ conference teams? The games will held in December also, which means cold weather and issues with air travel that complicate plans.

    A playoff would KILL the academics of the UH football players. They would need to fly to some stadium on the mainland to play a game, and if they won would need to play each successive game on the mainland. Do they stay on the mainland for weeks when classes are ending and final exams are being held? Or do they fly back to Hawaii after each game and then fly out a few days later when they find out where their next game is?

    Bottom line is that a playoff system would not necessarily result in UH getting invited or getting any more money than the BCS system provides now. The best case scenario would be for the WAC Champion needing to open the playoffs at Alabama or Ohio State, with the next round at Florida or Texas. Lose in the first round and things will probably be like how the NCAA basketball tournament is run...many conferences with autobids get less than $1 million from the NCAA basketball tournament while the Big East gets $20 million.


  45. Garret:

    Shoko does correctly point out that WAC policy is to share all NCAA money equally among teams. So, no matter who sends their football team to the NCAA playoffs, the other teams in the WAC will get an equal share of the winnings. Split 6/7/8/9 ways, that money comes out to FAR less than what UH gets now.


  46. JTsteez:

    If BC is unable to call the game on Saturday, will JP be doing the play by play with Kekaula? Hope everything is ok with BC and his family.


  47. Slugger:

    Good morning!!!

    I could see Graves in a play like the one Boise ran yesterday in tossing the ball back to QB. :) Go David!


  48. RainbowCliff:

    Mr whitey, there is no exposure IF teams Denver University, Sacramento State, UC Davis or Montana State filling the holes left by the defectors.

    Texas State or University of San Antonio Texas are no answers either. The teams you have mention are all in MAJOR football conferences and Notre Dame has it's name and national TV contract with NBC despite being average over the years.

    Those teams you mention still get recognized by espn win or lose because of the conference
    they belong to. For a possible BIG game vs. Boise State all Hawaii can get is espnu despite Hawaii good play this year and Boise national respect !

    Sir, it has to get better and staying in the WAC with it's SAD comissioner is doing more harm then good in my opinion. Always a pleasure to read your words of thoughts and wisdom !


  49. BG:

    Good morning everyone!


  50. longdistance808:

    I know we like to bash the WAC abondoners, but I ask myself the following question and I am unable to answer it without feeling conflicted. So I pose the same question to you, my trusted Tsaiko Warrior Nation:

    If the MWC offered an invite to Hawaii that was fair, should Hawaii take it or turn it down? Why?


  51. RainbowCliff:

    #43 Last Call: AMEN to all of that as opportunity only knocks once and sitting
    around WATCHING and PRETENDING things are going to get better is foolish to
    say the least. I hope we are no FOOLS !


  52. Garret:

    longdistance808,

    JD already offered travel subsidies to the MWC if they would take UH and they turned UH down. Of course UH would take an invite to the MWC...UH has shown by its actions what it thinks.


  53. Michigan Warrior:

    Just keep winning... just keep winning...

    For those who keep saying to go Indy... you guys rich enough to donate money to cover all expenses for the athletic department? We won't have any conference paychecks coming our way. And who do we schedule in the middle of our season over the next few years? Everyone else will be in the middle of their conference seasons. We've had this argument before. Think the remaining WAC schools would want us? They'd feel the same way we do about Fresno, Reno, and Boise. Already got BYU on schedule for the next 4 years, so can't count them twice. Notre Dame has one open date in each of the next couple of years... but, who says they'll even consider accepting us? High-probability home games include several D-IAA schools on an annual basis. Will that bring in the local fans?
    Without an established, winning program; without overflowing coffers due to generous boosters; with lots of additional expenses tied to non-football sports, how will we succeed as an Indepedent and draw full-house paying fans with lesser competition on the field and in the arena?

    Convince me with real, solid answers, (to the finances, football scheduling, and all non-football sports), then I'll say 'jump'. I mean, even the Big West hasn't publicly given us their blessing yet, so are we gonna even count that? Otherwise, all we can do is stay the course and keep winning.


  54. Stretch:

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    LD808 - are you asking the question now or before Nevada and Fresno St announced??


  55. longdistance808:

    Now.


  56. Pomai:

    #44 Garret - you missed my saying "IF DONE RIGHT" The whole system would need to be overhauled.


  57. Stretch:

    Now - yes, I think UH should and would take it.
    Before - no, it just shows the character of leadership that those schools have. If Fresno and Nevada held firm, like Utah St, the MWC might have been in the same situation that the WAC is in now.


  58. HawaiianTime:

    Good Morning Tsaikos!

    Congratulations and Kudos to David Graves. I'm all for keeping and building the WAC to become a powerhouse of the West. Time to make the WAC a stronger more legitimate conference to beat all other conferences.


  59. Michigan Warrior:

    So, why is it that all other college football divisions can hold playoffs, inclusive of all conferences, and crown a true national champion... but the FBS cannot?


  60. Pomai:

    If now I think JD would stay in the WAC, before he would have gone. We only have to choices WAC or Independent, and for now IMHO staying in the WAC is best.


  61. Pomai:

    My before was before BSu left.


  62. Michigan Warrior:

    #57... I agree with Stretch.

    Prior to Fresno and Reno leaving, had the UH been offered, I think we would've denied it. I think we would've tried to get BYU's non-football sports, and then possibly worked on SDSU and UNLV to come over.
    Now that THAT plan died, with Fresno and Reno leaving to join Boise, if we received an invite with the right terms, I think we'd leave.


  63. 96706:

    If JP is on 1420, I change the channel


  64. RainbowCliff:

    #50 longdistance808: TAKE IT !

    Better teams, better conference and better exposure !

    Colorado State, UNLV, Wyoming, Air Force, TCU, San Diego State,
    New Mexico. Partners of CSTV networks and has ALL sports Hawaii presents !

    RESPECTED more then the WEAK WAC despite losing BYU and UTAH !


  65. Garret:

    Pomai,

    How often does the NCAA do things right? We also have to keep in mind that what UH fans might think of as "right" might not be the same thing as Big 10 or Pac-12 fans. Remember, the AQ schools outnumber the non-AQ schools so the playoff system will be weighted to the AQ schools.

    The most likely thing to happen for a football playoff would be to have a basketball-like structure. And in that structure UH would get *less* money than they get now.


  66. BleedGreen808:

    Great morning Hawaii!


  67. haawarrior:

    Move WAC headquarters to Hawaii and appoint Dick Tomey commish. Eh, I can dream.


  68. Last Call:

    Someone here yesterday suggested an interesting option .Assuming that the Big West would take all of our other teams which I'm sure they would tell the WAC (don't ask them) we'll leave our football team in the WAC ( this would satisfy all of you WAC lovers ) but we're moving all of our other teams to the Big West, this would satisfy those of us who see the WAC as a dead end street.

    It's time we give them options instead of them dictating our future.If they don't like this proposal then screw them and go indy.


  69. RainbowCliff:

    #67 haawarrior: MAN that's funny as I LOVE your dream !


  70. Garret:

    We cannot just ignore that *before* Nevada and Fresno were invited to the MWC, Karl Benson was telling WAC schools that BYU was *not* sure to come to the WAC. Benson stated that there was a chance that BYU would go to the WCC.

    I mentioned weeks ago on this blog how Benson wanted BYU to pledge to the WAC for 5 years, with BYU being forced to break its work and pay $2 million if it wanted to leave early. So, if the Big 12 invited BYU, they would be stuck in a difficult situation with not wanting to break a contract. The WCC offered to take BYU without a commitment from BYU. So, the WCC used the WAC's loyalty pledge against the WAC and could have gotten BYU even if Fresno/Nevada stayed in the WAC.

    To insist that the only reason that BYU didn't join the WAC for non-football teams is because Fresno and Nevada left...is just burying our heads in the sand. Benson's e-mails to/from Utah State were released via a FOIA act, and I'm sure that Fresno/Nevada have similar e-mails saved.


  71. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Good Morning Gangeez! :)

    Just keep winning baby!

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  72. RainbowCliff:

    #68 Last Call: I am with that !

    The only problem which other collegiate teams you bring in
    to filled in the void that Boise, Fresno and Nevada leaves ?

    Are you ready to watch the Warriors vs. Denver University,
    UC Davis, Montana State, Sacramento or Texas San Antonio
    in the NEW WAC ?


  73. Last Call:

    # 72

    "Are you ready to watch the Warriors vs. Denver University,
    UC Davis, Montana State, Sacramento or Texas San Antonio
    in the NEW WAC ?"

    No I'm not I actually shivr at the thought but I'm just looking for something that would satisfy all of us.

    The Lets Stay in the WAC option isn't getting a lot of support from UH fans,athletes or coaches but the decision isn't up to this group.

    Right now we have the upper hand over the WAC they are in no position to dictate to us and we need to take advantage of that.


  74. madeinhawaii:

    Go independent and those just might be the type of teams you will bring in because the better teams will be playing their in conference games and/or post season championship playoff games.

    Got to talk with the four independent teams.. Then see where Idaho, Utah, La Tech, NMSU and SJSU stand. If the WAC dissolves, what will they do? Will SJSU drop football? Will NMSU? Will Utah be able to go elsewhere as well as La Tech? Or will they be willing to continue to play each other as independents mixed in with the other 4 independent teams, namely, Army, Navy, BYU and Notre Dame. I wouldn't mind seeing us play all 9 regularly as the core group...


  75. Slugger:

    Just spoke to someone at Oceanic and since I have PPV for away games, I'll get the UH-Boise game when it's playing on ESPNU. Whew!


  76. Garret:

    Slugger,

    I believe that ESPNU is one of the channels in the sports pack that you got when you subscribed to the away game PPV.


  77. Warrior Expat:

    @26 and 38: Tuesday night? My understanding is that the Boise game is still on Saturday, November 6. Am I mistaken?


  78. Warrior Expat:

    I might just have misread/misunderstood -- I apologize in advance if that's the case


  79. Pomai:

    #65 Garret - As much as I don't like it I have to agree with you on this but it's still the pits not just for UH but for all of the non BcS schools. But as long as you have guys like Jim Delany running things it will never change.


  80. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Why does Hawaii have to be the ugly betty that no one wants to go to the prom with.....?

    Perhaps if we had a makeover like the real ugly betty we will find a date?...Sad =(


  81. haawarrior:

    WAC and MWC should just merge and make a super conference


  82. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #73,

    Frankly anyone who is currently with the WAC has the upper hand, if we want the conference to stick together. lol


  83. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    haawarrior,

    that would basically be the WAC again...something the MWC schools got together to get the hell away from to begin with. haha.

    then again if we actually have consistent years of top 25 rankings...not like once every 5 years kinda thing then we might one day see a realignment in 10-20 years where Hawaii can be in with the "Cool" crowd.


  84. Na Koa Mike:

    The 10/25/10 Na Koa lunch report is up:

    http://www.nakoa.org/?p=733


  85. Pomai:

    #72 - rainbowcliff - if it comes down to that then yes I go to the games and yell just as loud as I would against Alabama or USC or any other team that the WARRIORS play, and to be honest with everyone it's not UH that I cheer for it's the student athlete who is on the field an playing their hearts out.


  86. haawarrior:

    #83 I hear ya. Just venting. I just sick and tired of Hawaii being hosed, again. We all know that realignment is going to happen again and I'm afraid of the consequenses for Hawaii. We just can't afford to have anymore down years.


  87. madeinhawaii:

    If the entry fee to the MWC was 1 mil. I wonder what the entry fee to the Pac 10 was for Colorado and Utah?


  88. RainbowCliff:

    WOW #83: Will we ALL be around in 10 to 20 years !

    I can only HOPE so as the "cool" crowd baby boomers
    needs their handicapped benifits to attend UH games !


  89. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    haawarrior,

    also, depending on how patient you can be, the tectonic plates are moving asia closer to n. america.

    so if you give it about 45 million years or so we will be close enough to the continent that travel wont be an issue and might even get invited to the Pac-10.....


  90. Slugger:

    Garret,

    I don't get ESPNU with the UH season ticket-PPV away-game package. I do get some other sports channels, but not ESPNU (or MLB, etc.).

    Since a deal has been worked out to broadcast the game on BOTH the PPV & ESPNU channel, on the off chance that someone doesn't have the full Digital Sports Pack w/ ESPNU, UH can make some money by people buying the PPV game.


  91. LizKauai \m/:

    #25 - gigi - ok. Suggestion- to see the real beauty of the Mormons, get to know some Mormon families or make friends with the young men serving the community. Invite them in for snacks and conversation!


  92. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Pomai ~ After careful review, I'm pouring pure Warrior Wrath upon those pesky Vandals from tater-tot land.

    My score: Warriors 70 - IdeeHo & the Vandellas 07.

    Call it the 10 TD *Mercy* rule...then call the coroner to haul their dead carcass outta my stadium!

    Happy Halloween! :twisted:


  93. A-joe:

    Everyone's getting all excited over hypothetical innuendos. Calm down. Relax. Don't be short sighted. The WAC is still good.

    The BCS system will fall. A 16 team playoff will be installed. All will be good.

    We've got a great game coming up this weekend!

    I Mua Warriors!!


  94. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    madeinhawaii,

    the price to enter the pac-10 is well...priceless...meaning no school would give 2 seconds worth of thought before taking out a "bend over" loan to get oneself in....

    No but really its priceless...I don't think Utah/Colorado had to pay any entrance fee.


  95. RainbowCliff:

    #85: Pomai, I'm sorry being a PROUD former athlete that played the BEST TEAMS in the
    country wearing the Rainbow Warrior Uniform "NO CAN DO" !

    Cannot except this PROUD program being ridiculed to MEDIOCRITY !


  96. Slugger:

    Last Call,

    I've seen Montana play FB at NAU for years. They are a good team and could add some competition to the WAC.

    I have to figure out a way to say Hey! to Steve Axman on the Idaho coaching staff. He was at NAU for years.


  97. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #88 Rainbowcliff,

    Yea its a while and yes some fans will surely be gone...but they will surely have the best seats in the house.


  98. RainbowCliff:

    Have a GREAT day folks of Warrior Nation !

    Interesting posts from everyone !

    Got to get in the office and run my progam. Will see
    you later on tonight to catch up with ALL the interesting
    thoughts and opinions.

    Be well and live HEALTHY !


  99. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    we should get that team with the red turf to replace boise in the wac. someplace in washington if im not mistaken.


  100. al:

    100


  101. LizKauai \m/:

    #67 - I was just mulling over a similar idea.
    Hawaii is the westernmost location in the US. It stands to reason that the WAC could be HQd here with a brilliant and fearless leader (I'm sure we could think of someone) who can inspire a new level of participation.
    Does Alaska have a football team somewhere?
    Just thinking...
    I know there are "divisions" in the NCAA but we all know that there are some parts of the structure that don't work in today's world. Why not take a leadership role in reconstructing our conference in a way that the BEST SCHOOL in the WAC (Hawaii) could do?
    I know some folks like to build a new house on a clean lot but sometimes the homes with the most character are the ones that have some history along with the shiny modern fixtures.


  102. madeinhawaii:

    iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Someone told me recently that it was 4.5 million or so ... I didn't know whether to believe him or not.


  103. haawarrior:

    99-I thought the blue turf was bad but that red turf, WOW! That would be a hard game to watch.


  104. Souljah:

    Eastern Washington has the red turf


  105. RainbowCliff:

    iwonderwhytheyhateme: Well IF that is the case then we better keep on living as
    I don't want them to take our VIP seats as we will be laughing, cheering and joking
    our OKOLE'S off through WONDERFUL fellowship and physical presence when we meet
    as the mahi mahi is on me !

    Have a GREAT day !


  106. Last Call:

    The more I think about this suggestion from another contributor of this forum yesterday the more I love it. Let the football team stay in the WAC just move all of our other sports. Then when the football team continues to be just another (yawn) WAC team maybe the WAC lovers will wake up. Meanwhile the rest of us will be enjoying success in the Big West.I'll even start doing road trips.


  107. RedZone:

    ST i have a question. Why can't UH divide up its sports so that it can put different sports in different conferences?


  108. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    madeinhawaii,

    maybe you are right. ill try search for it but i thought they didn't have a entry fee or one of the schools didn't have a fee.

    even at $10m, you would recoup the cost real fast i would think with the tv and bowl money you would be getting.


  109. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    RedZone,

    im sure they can...doesn't volleyball and like the smaller sports have that mpsf.


  110. haawarrior:

    #69-RainbowCliff-One thing about dreaming "It's free". By the way Mahalo for all you do up in Cali. I wish I could have watched you play but I was off island serving in the Air Force.


  111. James:

    Who said the WAC is a weak conference? That is perception, what people think. Look at reality, what is. This season Boise State is No. 3 and Hawaii and Nevada are in the top thirty.

    Years ago do you remember the Rainbow Classic Basketball Tournament in December? For some strange reason the teams that came to Hawaii to participate were always in the top national rankings. The sports media credited one of the reasons for the high rankings was that the colleges scheduled a trip to Hawaii as an incentive to recruit top players. I think the same thing is going on in football, and because Hawaii is on the schedule the teams in the conference get stronger. I agree with Michigan Warrior. Boise State, Nevada and Fresno State may regret ever leaving the WAC conference with Hawaii on the schedule.

    Look at BYU and where its football program is now. It is going independent, and getting Hawaii back on its schedule because the school knows that is an incentive for recruiting.

    What the WAC should do is build the program around Hawaii in terms of selection of schools, travel, etc. Other schools build strong programs when Hawaii is on their schedule. That is a fact.

    Hope Hawaii remains in the WAC and it gets favorable treatment. Colleges that join the conference will get stronger. It is a win-win situation!


  112. Hilo-Warrior:

    Hawaii 52 - 17


  113. Hank:

    Nevada's Ault said after our game "To the victors go the SPOILS"...

    Hell would freeze over before I'd want the Warriors to join the scum of the MWC...

    We stay with our Wac brothers or we go Indy....


  114. Garret:

    The Pac-10 *waived* its entry fees for Colorado and Utah.

    Colorado had its entry fees waived because their Athletic Department is broke and they are giving up $6+ million in exit fees for leaving the Big 12.

    Utah is paying no entry fee, but they get *no* money from the conference in their first year and only 50% of a regular school in the second year.


  115. haawarrior:

    I think Coach Ault should take in more fiber. He always looks constipated!


  116. LizKauai \m/:

    I'm with James!


  117. Garret:

    The WAC isn't going to build around Hawaii--the conference is moving east, to Texas, for new teams. The WAC is trying to hold on to La Tech and make things more attractive for them to stay...before, everybody in the WAC (including them) wanted them to go to the C-USA, but now the WAC needs them.


  118. haawarrior:

    Bottom line. No matter what happens to Hawaii I will always cheer for them!!!


  119. gigi-hawaii:

    Liz,
    Yes, I invited George and Clare to my home for dinner last Sunday. He is the patriarch of the Mormon church and it was he who invited David and me to the Laie temple.

    My son-in-law is a Mormon, also, and is raising his 2 kids in the religion.


  120. manoa:

    There are no real good options, so we are stuck, like ST says with the plan B's. Even joining the MWC now and forking out travel subsidies and fees is not the greates, but if invited we would need to take it.

    The latest dagger in the heart for going independent is the decision by all the PAC 12 teams to go to two divisions and play a 9 game conference schedule plus a 10th championship game. Predictably, the Commissioner has also asked the PAC 12 teams to schedule any out of conference games at the start of the season to allow conference scheduling including the championship game. The Big 12 and the Big 10 are already going to 9 conference games from 8, so there are going to be fewer OOC games to pick from.

    The "good" news is the other WAC teams which keep football will need to schedule with us, but they will want travel subsidies to play in Hawaii.


  121. madeinhawaii:

    iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Maybe the 4.5 mil entry is for offsetting of travel expenses for the first x number of years? Or maybe they figure they can bank that money and use the dividends to offset travel costs in the future?


  122. koakane™:

    morning tsaiko country, hump day and getting closer to saturday tgate/game babe.

    stay focus all


  123. Garret:

    It isn't just perception that bottom of the WAC is in REALLY bad shape. NMSU is rated below half of D-IAA right now and they are cutting $3 million from their already squeezed budget. A WAC conference member had to ask its fans to bring snacks and juice boxes to feed its players after spring practice because they couldn't afford to feed them...and they are going to cut $3 million more?

    It isn't just perception that La Tech wants to get into C-USA. Karl Benson and La Tech publicly say that La Tech is hoping to get into C-USA. How good does that make the WAC look?

    It isn't just perception that the MWC gets 3x the TV money that the WAC gets...and the WAC will get less once BSU leaves. C-USA also gets 3x the TV money.

    It isn't just perception that the WAC gets less NCAA basketball money than the MWC or C-USA...it is fact because the WAC's teams haven't won an NCAA tournament game for years and the MWC gets double the number of teams in the tournament.

    It isn't just perception that BYU went independent and ESPN reportedly gave them $8 million just for their football games...when the entire WAC will get less than half of that to split once BSU leaves. And the fact is that ESPN gave BYU many of the TV spots that the WAC has had until this season is over.

    It isn't just perception that the WAC's out-of-conference football record is pitifully bad if you look at 2007-today, despite this season being a huge improvement. If you take away the nonconference wins by BSU, the WAC's nonconference record is even worse.


  124. Last Call:

    It's time to vote. All in favor of firing Josh Pacheco say Aye all opposed say Nay.

    Voting Results

    The Ayes have it . Nays ? nothing but crickets.

    Josh,please leave immediately.


  125. Garret:

    It also isn't just perception that the WAC has a horrible commissioner. A commissioner is supposed to sell their league, to make their league sound better than it is. How did Benson react to BSU going to the MWC? Benson said that it was a "reward" for BSU's success...so, the WAC's own commissioner helped feed the perception that the MWC is a whole level above the WAC.


  126. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Nay


  127. haawarrior:

    double nay


  128. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    I don't the WAC is a horrible conference today...its after 2012 where I might end up changing my mind.


  129. Last Call:

    Lunch . Got my eye on that Boston Market Salisbury Steak with Mac & Cheese in the freezer . My body is craving something high in saturated fat,cholesterol and sodium. :-)


  130. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    the=THINK


  131. madeinhawaii:

    Uh hasn't done much in marketing school pride or it's athletic program to it's own students, as well. At least not the previous administration. The previous admin did little to really lobby for UH's needs and the school has been left in disrepair. Verdict is out for the current one, but at least Chancellor Hinshaw is very visible at a whole bunch of games and the legislature is more aware of UH's deteriorating facilities.

    Unfortunately... the coffers are empty... everywhere


  132. LizKauai \m/:

    So Garret, in the spirit of the short and longterm strategic planning, how would you reconstruct the WAC (or whatever you want to call it) in light of it's immediate situation and how the NCAA system (BCS-related and all that implies) may be arranged in the future?


  133. Last Call:

    Just curious has anyone ever seen the President of this University at an athletic event ?


  134. (Jesse)James:

    Good morning Tsaikos...hope all have a great day....

    Stay focused.....this week is Idaho....


  135. Last Call:

    Looks like we got some monkey business going on with the Pacheco vote ,might need to call the Feds in. :-)


  136. LizKauai \m/:

    The whole world is in a state of change. Everything from the earth beneath our feet to the way we view the stars is changing.

    What we think we know is solely dependent on our educated (or uneducated) POV. I think we will be happiest when we embrace the concept of change and strive to do what is best for humanity at every turn.

    "Mathematicians, astronomers, chemical scientists continually disprove and reject the conclusions of the ancients; nothing is fixed, nothing final; everything is continually changing because human reason is progressing along new roads of investigation and arriving at new conclusions every day. In the future much that is announced and accepted as true now will be rejected and disproved. And so it will continue ad infinitum."

    So- I hope our UH decision-makers will first consider what is good for our student-athletes and go from there.


  137. papajoe2:

    #111 James, A long time ago, traveling to Hawaii was used as a "recruiting tool". Now days, with everything being so expensive, like travel, hotels, meals, transportation, and the risk of losing to a much improved team (compared to pre WAC days), most smaller/mid teams travel to Hawaii a day or 2 before the game and leave Hawaii right after the game, thus not leaving much time to enjoy the beauty and perks that Hawaii has to offer. It becomes more of a business, losing trip to the other teams.


  138. papajoe2:

    Like myself, a lot of Warrior fans were born and raised in Hawaii. Most, if not all the people, especially the ones born and raised here, love Hawaii so much, we cannot comprehend the feeling of an outside school playing a game in Hawaii. Just imagine if Puerto Rico joined the U.S. as the 51st state and had a college playing D1 sports. How would we perceive them as far as traveling with time zones, etc.. Puerto Rico is even has a cheaper cost of living than in Hawaii. At first, teams may want to travel there as a curiosity, but if they start losing, then they will be making all kinds of excuses. So think about. That's probably how the rest of the teams are thinking about Hawaii's teams. The negative thoughts on Peurto Rico and why not to play them could be almost endless. Its even cheaper to travel there than Hawaii.


  139. madeinhawaii:

    papajoe2,

    Playing in Hawaii probably loses it's luster if there is no travel package involved.. at least a day in the sun or a trip to the Arizona Memorial and Big Mo. With the current budget cutbacks, the schools visiting are cutting their trips short.. it's all business with a red eye flight back the day of the game. That's no fun for the Coaches and players.


  140. madeinhawaii:

    To them.. it's like a long delayed stop over in some airport.. you can only see "Hawaii" through the windows of your plane and bus.


  141. al:

    i heard that the reason our new turf will cost so much is that it will be black turf and the dyes used to create this deep, everlasting black is way more expensive than green.


  142. al:

    on another note....

    the rumor of the black turf really made boise state so concerned, that coupled with the fact that they also heard that hawaii was going to move the boise state home games to 1:30 pm during the heat of the day had some influence on them accepting the mwc invite.


  143. SteveM:

    Good morning everyone!

    Last Call:
    October 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am
    Lunch . Got my eye on that Boston Market Salisbury Steak with Mac & Cheese in the freezer . My body is craving something high in saturated fat,cholesterol and sodium.

    Last Call -- thanks for the reminder...I better go shopping for my tailgate stuff today. Join us at the tailgate and I'll fix you up... :roll:


  144. duffer:

    The only constant thing in life is CHANGE!


  145. ge:

    The WAC has helped programs such as Boise State and Nevada improve and fluorish. Other up and coming programs such as Idaho and Utah State have improved since their entry and are/should be competitive with Hawaii in the present and near future. If not, enjoy Hawaii being the top dog for awhile.
    As far as rivalries go, once Hawaii loses to these schools, and or others, interest will grow and rivalries will develop very quickly.
    If programs such as Portland State, Denver U., and UC Davis want to improve their programs and entering the WAC, that's great. The Metropolitan areas of Portland and Denver are great areas, with infrastructure. i.e. airports. Which cities are preferable to visit, Portland, Denver, or Boise and Fresno? Also a UC campus is a step up over the Cal State schools academically and would improve that aspect of the conference. Sounds better than going independent, imo.
    ..


  146. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    Hypothetical questions are interesting, in longdistance 808's question of accepting a MWC invite NOW after what FSU and UNR did to screw the remaining WAC members, it is no question we should accept, but as Stretch mentioned, I AGREE, that back then I would have and I have a feeling that maybe even UH would have opted to stick to the WAC agreement despite an offer from the MWC back then.

    Then was then, NOW is now. Two different scenarios so with that being said, Fresno State and Nevada can still ROT IN HELL.

    For sure I can promise everyone here that if LaTech or Utah State bolt today or anyday in the future, I WILL NOT BLAME THEM. Then was "then" and NOW is now. Two different situations to be sure.


  147. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    Black turf is good on paper but DUMB in reality.

    A lot of mainland football teams whine about a lot of manini stuff, but with black turf, people should forget about noon or day games and I don't think I have to explain why.


  148. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    A couple of quick reminders:

    Be sure to bring your (empty) HI-5 beverage containers to this Saturday's T-Gete. DrDoc will be dropping off the bin and bags around 9:30 while I am at Kaiser Moanalua for a surgical consult. Then we'll be heading back into town for the local edition of the RALLY TO RESTORE SANITY from 11 am to 1 pm at the State Capitol which I'm helping in a very small way to coordinate. We should be back at the T-Gate by 2 pm. We'll bring some packets of Halloween candy & trail mix to take over to the Stadium.

    OFF-SPORTS TOPICS -SORT OF:

    Second: For those of you who are interested in supporting our work with a homeless services organization - the Family Promise program which provides a wide range of services to families with children by working with faith-based communities of all flavors - DrDoc and I would like to invite you, your SigOth, and your kids or grandkids to attend the dinner we're serving on Saturday, November 6, from 5:30 or so to 7 pm. No work, no charge - just eat roast turkey & sides plus a great dessert, talk story, shoot some hoops with the teens, and learn more about how to help a very important sub-set of homeless folks as well as finding out ways to help address a wide range multiple homelessness issues.

    What you can do right now is to vote YES on the Honolulu City & County Charter Amendment in the General Election to set up a separate housing office to address multiple housing issues. With O`ahu's population expected to rise by 50% in the next 12 years, we need to start addressing these issues now. NOTE: Of the 50 largest cities in the United States, Honolulu is only one of three which does not have a housing office

    Third - for those of you who would like to get involved in our PLANT A NATIVE TREE program, our next planning meeting is on Thursday, November 4, from 5 pm to 6:30 pm at Mocha Java in Ward Center. We're shutting it down promptly at 6:30 and will be heading on up to The Stan for the Wahine's season-opening basketball game against Chaminade. Tickets are really, really cheap - and the seating is open. Click my name for more information about the meeting.

    Fourth - Mark Sunday, November 14, anytime between 10:30 am and 1:30 pm on your calendars. Again, click my name above for more details. Afterwards, we plan to go watch Sunday night football at a local sports bar and eat good food. Please join us.

    Off to work - back late this evening. DrDoc and I plan to watch the Gigantics ejupp the Rays at Ruby Tuesday's


  149. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    ejupp? I think I meant to write whupp and I meant the Rangers, not the Rays. Bad me, bad me.


  150. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    At this point, personally speaking, the ONLY thing I am NOT prepared for is DITCHING my support of UH athletics.

    Might as well go and put a pillow over my family members while they sleep.

    I ain't gonna be a little b---- about it!!!

    DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR!


  151. Last Call:

    Doesn't the NCAA have a rule on turf color must be green although some schools like Boise State got grandfather in ?


  152. madeinhawaii:

    yeah.. but what shade of green?


  153. Garret:

    Liz,

    Due to a lot of bad decisions (some UH's fault like back when UH refused to sign the loyalty pledge and SMU/Rice/etc. left) and the difficult economy, the WAC doesn't have many options now. This is what I'd like to see happen, though:

    1. Replace Karl Benson with one of the #2 or #3 person from one of the biggest conferences, preferably the Big 10. The Pac-12 got someone from the Big 10 to take care of all of their TV deals and the WAC could use similar expertise.

    2. Invite Texas State, UT-SA, and Montana. Why? Those appear to be the only 3 D-IAA teams in the west that are ready to move up to D-IA...if the economy was different the WAC would have more choices.

    3. Push every WAC school to elevate its men's basketball team. Football costs a ton of money and takes years to turn around and some schools like NMSU, SJSU, Utah State, Idaho, and La Tech are fundamentally limited in what they can spend. However, a school can get a solid basketball team quickly with a good coaching selection and basketball facilities are a lot cheaper. As basketball money increases, football and the rest of the sports will get more money.

    NCAA basketball money comparison:
    WAC: $3.09 million
    Missouri Valley: $4.33 million
    C-USA: $9.1 million
    Big East: $19.4 million (this data is old, they are over $20 million for 09-10)

    4. Get the new WAC commissioner to start working on a comparison of what could be obtained from a WAC TV Network (a true network like what the Big 10 has, not what the WAC has now that doesn't bring in the money), an ESPN deal, and deals with other major sports companies (Fox, Turner, Universal/Comcast, CBS, etc.). Don't just accept what ESPN wants to give the WAC, get other bids and you can get a lot more. For example, the ACC ended up getting more than double what ESPN had been planning to give them in their TV negotiations over the summer...ESPN had to raise their offer once someone else started bidding. NBC/Universal need sports inventory. CBS/CS needs sports inventory. Fox needs sports inventory. Get at least 2 of them to bid and ESPN will pay a lot more, or maybe one of them makes some crazy bid and the WAC will be financially set.

    5. Get the new commissioner to make a scheduling arrangement with the Big 10 since they have the most TV money to throw around (that is why I'd prefer the new commissioner to have Big 10 ties). Colorado is getting $1.3 million for a paycheck game at a Big 10 school and I posted articles about how the increased TV money might result in the Big 10 soon paying *$2 million* for a home game. Many WAC schools (SJSU, La Tech, NMSU, and Idaho come to mind) already play paycheck games--if they can make more money, they can improve their programs. Make the option for 2-for-1 deals also, 2 games at the Big 10 school's stadium for 1 at a WAC stadium, with the WAC school getting $2 million in compensation.

    The Big 10 will be paying *somebody* to play those paycheck games. I'd rather it be the WAC than the MAC or Sun Belt. No non-AQ conference has struck a scheduling deal with an AQ conference, but it makes sense for one reason: TV. The Big 10 would have flexibility to schedule all 14 weeks of the season to maximize TV revenue for their network, which could only happen at the conference level since this has to be done while conference schedules are set.

    The 2 keys: basketball success (UH seems to have taken a step up with Gib's recruiting) and new leadership. Unfortunately, nothing like this will happen with Benson in charge and the WAC Presidents seem to like the job that he's doing.


  154. NCAA:

    No rules on turf color. I just asked myself. LOL


  155. Markazulu:

    Coach Shaw said we would be graduating four linemen this year. The young freshmen offensive linemen are an outstanding group. The defensive coaches have been telling the offensive coaches what a good job the young offensive linemen are doing against the defense. Coach Shaw feels very good about the offensive line situation. He’s looking for 4 or 5 more high school recruits which should get us out of the JC recruiting cycle. It’s much better having linemen in the program for 4 or 5 years.


  156. NCAA:

    Well I suppose a white turf would make it difficult to see the white markings (hash, goal line, sideline, etc.)


  157. TYaiea:

    Last Call, checked wikipidia; there is no ncaa rule re color of playing field. schools may use any color for playing field and end zones. IMUA


  158. Jeff:

    With all the criticism Benson is getting now, it's interesting to see the praise he was getting a few years ago. Just click on the article in the Advertiser back in 2008.

    Word is that Benson's Pac-10 counterpart, Tom Hansen, will announce retirement plans shortly. Hansen, who has been on the job since 1983, is the longest-serving commissioner in major college athletics and a force on the national landscape. The MWC's Craig Thompson and Benson are two names tossed around as possible candidates, though it is anybody's guess where the Pac-10 might look when it comes time.

    Benson's name was tossed out as PAC 10 commish!! LOL He must have had good PR people working for him.


  159. Stretch:

    There is no way Aloha Stadium would make the turf any color other than some shade of green. I don't think the NFL would like playing the Pro Bowl on a black or any other color turf. Now, if UH had it's own stadium......


  160. (Jesse)James:

    Kazz...#150....the other saying as well, "Loyalty above all else...except honor." Which neither of which Nevada or Fresno have...MWAHAHAHAHAA


  161. BigIslandkurt:

    Why would we want to leave the WAC if we have the prime opportunity to be the bulls of the conference? national recognition? Trust me, you will still get it if you win win win all the time. Are we talking about BCS recognition? Fat chance. Cherish the 07 season. It may never ever come around these parts again.

    Like my good friend A-Joe, I say we stay in the WAC, ride out the storm, and rule the conference. Winning brings support. Support brings $$$.

    BIK


  162. madeinhawaii:

    Benson's name was tossed out as PAC 10 commish!

    By "tossed out" I hope they meant thrown out.. disposed.. not to be left in with the other potential candidates...


  163. RupertDaStupert:

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    Last week, "Five-0" drew 10.94 million viewers to finish second in the hour to "Castle," which drew 10.95 million viewers. That same night, NBC's "Chase" drew 5.18 million.

    Through the first three weeks of the TV season, the Monday night drama picked up an average of 3.3 million viewers when Nielsen added people who saw the show on their digital video recorders within the next week.

    "Hawaii Five-0" wasn't one of the week's top 10 shows through live viewing, but it becomes one when DVR usage is added in. The show is popular with men, and CBS has speculated that many of its viewers watch "Monday Night Football" live and record the drama
    I apologize for putting this in the sports blog but I am so proud of Hawaii Five-O and how it's helping our economy and creating employment for us. Even though Boise State is our for, I feel sorry for them in getting cheated in the BCS rankings. We need a playoff system.


  164. Buffoman:

    I see a step #6.

    Next year when we play FSU at home, which is usually a well attended spirited game, the HTA and UH would use that opportunity to fly the tourism and university folks from Japan and China to Hawaii to a wonderful tailgate party, then the game. The next day the talks are about having UH play one football game with one of their college all-star teams. If they do not have one yet, play baseball or basketball and televise. Oh yeah, part of the team from those places would e television execs. Talk about televising UH games (tape if necessary) in those countries in towns where the colleges just aprticipated with UH.

    Bring women's volleyball next. Tie up the television contracts with UH and really open that market. UH would benefit from merchandise sales too.

    Now, when we start winning, even is a weak WAC, but have a great deal with those Asian markets, someone will come calling to see if we would join their party and bring along our Asian marketplace friends. At that point, paying subsidies would not be a point of negotiation. Heck, if we were able to do this and do it well, we should go independent, create a partnership with ND and really make that market go.


  165. Last Call:

    Considering all the crap Boise takes about their blue field I don't want us having that same experience.


  166. Slugger:

    Last Call,

    I saw the UH President MRC Greenwood at a game last season. I think it was one of the final WVB season games at home.

    At a HIFF movie on Saturday, I thought I recognized a UH VP I had met a couple of years ago standing behind me. Oops, it was former UH President McClain who's back teaching in the College of Business. Nevah know who you'll meet in town...

    Speaking of turf colors....

    What color shirts are we wearing this Saturday? Green? Green. Al, you can wear what you want...


  167. diehard fan:

    Remember when Boise was asked to join the WAC around 2001, everyone was saying no one will go to watch them play. The same thing is being said about some of the possible new teams being considered for the WAC.

    Basketball may get some good new teams per Tsai. If UH goes independent in football, there won't be any improvement in the teams they would be able to schedule, besides the non-WAC games they already have on their schedule.


  168. NorthShoreFan:

    Anyhoo....fo da T-gate...we are having guest from the land down under o wat?
    Menu going be local foods?....going get one list of kaukau errybody going bring?
    UHFan808 going play da music fo us at the T-gate?...


  169. Okole Maluna:

    1. #111 James: - Colleges that join the WAC conference will get stronger.

    That is so true look at Idaho, Utah State and others get’s Hawaii’s best players and other states because they can come back to Hawaii every other year. And since joining all these school have upgraded their program.

    Look at even where Boise State was or Nevada – Reno is now. Comparing to where they first joined we thought of them as same as Idaho and NM State was.

    2. #145 ge: If programs such as Portland State, Denver U., and UC Davis want to improve their programs and entering the WAC, that's great. The Metropolitan areas of Portland and Denver are great areas.

    I’m with you I’d rather go to Portland and Denver than Boise or Fresno. I’ve been to both Boise and Fresno there is nothing to see or do there. If UH schedule a game at Portland or Denver I’m sure more people will travel there. I sure will. And these schools will most definitely improve their program just like Boise and Nevada did.

    3. And Nevada coach Ault not wanting to play us anymore (He’s a sore loser) that sure wasn’t the answer before the last match (maybe he was being polite before the match) but I’m sure he was using Hawaii as a recruiting tool. He will regret saying that because lots of Hawaii fans travels to Reno as well as Vegas then most other schools supporters do.


  170. jm2375:

    Good morning Tsai-kos!

    redzone & iwwthm - I think UH sports must be in the WAC unless there aren't enough schools to warrant conference play. That's why the women's sports had to move from the Big West back in the 90s. Warrior vb is in the MPSF because no other WAC school fields a team. MPSF men's vb is made up of some California schools, UH & BYU.

    IS IT SATURDAY YET?

    chawan - are you joining uhfan808 in the alumni band?


  171. SailorBlue:

    Pomai ~ 55-6


  172. Markazulu:

    Hawaii just needs to focus on there team an let the AD deal with it. Trust the commissioner. Winning is key no matter where they go. An when Hawaii has the opportunity to play against USC or Colorado, or any one of the "Big Boys from the Big Name Conferences" they need to take advantage of it. An try to stop the bleeding with all the blow outs that happen. Play um hard every time then you'll get recognition people will forget if your to inconsistent. Hawaii beat Alabama in 02 but thanks to loses against Georgia and Florida people still think we "never" would win against the SEC or any conference. Just play hard consistent tough Warrior football an focus on this season.


  173. Okole Maluna:

    Garret: You always make a great point. I always look for and enjoy reading your blog.

    I’m with you to get rid of Benson he has done nothing but collect Fat Check and not been pro-active but reactive.

    And push to elevate Men’s basketball is the quickest way to go. This year UH Diamond Head Classic is on it’s way to be a great turn around for our program with ESPN backing with Butler, Baylor, Florida State, Miss State to name a few coming to play in Hawaii.

    Like I said before I'm already booked to go Las Vegas "Here we come in March!!" and hope to stay a few more weeks on the Big Rock!


  174. Mark:

    Hey. Whatever happened to Malcolm Lane, that fast receiver from a few years ago. He s/b a senior this year.


  175. madeinhawaii:

    Mark,

    Seems it was an academic issue with Malcom Lane.


  176. madeinhawaii:

    Wonder if the band can play "Mashed Potatoes" everytime Hawaii scores... ? Or would that raise their ire too much?


  177. Okole Maluna:

    But maybe we can all Dance the Mash Potatoes in the Stadium whenever Warriors score...

    But those young ones won't know how to dance the the Potatoes but they will learn quick enough.


  178. Slugger:

    NorthShoreFan,

    The Aussies are coming to the T-Gate, so Island food is the menu with some real Hawaiian food, too. Gotta show them what we eat. It sounded like they're bringing a couple of desserts. I think Pavlova involves meringue, so I'm wondering if they're going to make it in the morning. Have to adjust recipes for this humidity.

    Maybe I'll bring poke instead of salad. I'm going holoholo on da mainland day after the game, and I don't want lettuce in the fridge.


  179. Slugger:

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  180. tommui:

    Good Afternoon Hawaii!

    After Kekoa's five star recommendation, I went down to Petals and Beans (CHOPSUEYBOY) and had a chocolate malt and waffle dog.

    Unfortunately I was too late to take advantage of his big discount (which ended Friday 10/22) for our victory over USU!

    Wait, wasn't the game on 10/23?

    Just kidding - did not get a chance to meet CHOPSUEYBOY but did meet his lovely wife. Recommend the malt highly!!!


  181. ilky Voice of the Gorn:

    Garret:
    October 27th, 2010 at 9:27 am
    It also isn't just perception that the WAC has a horrible commissioner. A commissioner is supposed to sell their league, to make their league sound better than it is. How did Benson react to BSU going to the MWC? Benson said that it was a "reward" for BSU's success...so, the WAC's own commissioner helped feed the perception that the MWC is a whole level above the WAC.

    Gorn is surprised not one of the remaining WAC-6 "CEO's" (aka presidents) have even hinted at a lack of confidence in Sir Karl and as such, to start the process of ousting him from his throne in Denver. I said it before… I don't have problems with Hawaii staying in the WAC (to buy time) but the status quo cannot remain. UH officials need to have various contingencies in place, our athletic programs need to win, Sir Karl cannot remain commish of the WAC going forward…

    I still standby my opinion that we need to be careful about independence. We came from there (albeit a different time) but it took Jack Burns vision over a decade to come to fruition. We haven't had that kind of leadership for over 3 decades which is why UH is in the position it is now. The WAC may look cruddy as hell but it is something we at least have for the time being. Once Boise, Fresneck and Northern Nevada leave, Hawaii should have ZERO excuse for not dominating the conference and winning the WAC football championship every year we remain in it. But we also need to take care of OOC games and that needs to start in 2011 and continue going forward. Win those OOC games on a consistent basis and that is how you gain national respect. This is why the loss against Colorado was damaging.

    A few weeks ago after the Colorado game, I posted about wanting the coaching staff to prove me wrong after what I viewed as the same ongoing issues plaguing the team as I felt these were costing us the ability to win very winnable games. Both USC and Colorado were winnable had the level of execution (both on the field and on the sidelines) been complete in all facets.
    I wasn't going to post until AFTER the Idaho game but I will say that for the most part, the coaches have managed to do a good job at addressing most of these issues. The results show in the body of work since then but it doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement after each game. That article about McMackin learning to delegate and leaving things in the hands of his coordinators was one of my biggest beefs that I'd been alluding to before on this blog and I for one am glad to see him face up to the fact that as head coach, you have to allow your assistants to make the call.

    Digressing, Idaho is an extremely important game that no one is looking past because they (coaches and players) know what is at stake. It is not just about the showdown the week after against Boise. What is it also about is finetuning the level of execution from coaching staff on down in preparation for the next game (which just happens to be Boise) because if we want to beat Boise, we are going to have to execute/minimize mistakes as best as possible in every single facet (offense, defense, special teams, side line management, playcalling, etc).

    I'll put this out now, UH takes care of this finetuning business against Idaho and I feel we have a very good shot at taking out Boise. It is not like we haven't played them before. We know their tendencies. Aside from last years blowout, we have found ways to slow down their offensive attack in the previous few years. In 2008 (@ Boise) with an anemic Frankenstein offense, the final score was 27-7 (if we hadn't had such a dropoff in offense, that game was winnable). In 2007, we all know what took place. In 2006, we dominated the game BUT special play breakdown is why we lost at Boise. In 2005, we were breaking in a new young QB by the name of Colt Brennan who was still learning the system and we only lost 44-41 (Hawkins was HC but Petersen was still the OC). Look at what UH has done the past several weeks… if they can put everything all together as complete as possible, this game is more than winnable especially when you consider that BSU hasn't been characteristically mistake/penalty free this season. And when was Gorn ever this bullish on this blog?


  182. LizKauai \m/:

    #153- Mahalo, Garret! Would you consider sharing this with JD and some of his cohorts?


  183. tommui:

    Per usual (#153) GARRET makes good sense.

    Unfortunately what makes good sense is often rejected by people with no sense.

    Our basketball program seems to be on track with Coach Gib. Hope the others in the WAC and proposed WAC members will start upgrading their basketball programs.


  184. bobo:

    AGREEE!! we can and WILL BEAT


  185. phlyinhi:

    UH should stay in the deflated WAC and be the premier team in the conference. They need to win it year in year out. And, the will draw a lot of national attention whether the conference sucks or not. Look at Boise. The power rating for the WAC (as crappy as it is) is the highest it's ever been. If Boise, Fresno, and Nevada weren't so hasty, the WAC would of been stronger than the MWC. BYU would of came to the WAC (for non-football). Utah is gone and soon TCU will leave. The MWC would have nothing. The lower tier MWC teams would be begging to come back to the WAC. That conference would of faced its demise. But, here we are now stuck with an incompetent commissioner bringing the conference further into the crapper. Its just up to Hawaii to dominate.


  186. al:

    Stretch:

    October 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
    There is no way Aloha Stadium would make the turf any color other than some shade of green. I don't think the NFL would like playing the Pro Bowl on a black or any other color turf. Now, if UH had it's own stadium......

    ...of course you know i was only joking.


  187. papajoe2:

    I think the football team should stay in the WAC. With 2 Texas schools, we can establish a recruiting base there. I'm not sure who it was, but someone said on a previous blog that the 2 Texas schools are easy to reach by air, as major airports are near by. I wouldn't be too thrilled about Montana joining the WAC though. Doesn't it get like below 0 degrees sometimes? As for the rest of the sports, I think we should move to the Big West or some other California based conference. It would not only save Hawaii money but also the other WAC schools as they don't have to send their non income sports the Aloha State. While some of the additions to the WAC may not have a football team, Hawaii could fit into their football schedule and help the WAC with football numbers. Which ever way we go, I will back JD's decision, as I think he, being a business man, will make whatever decision is right for UH.


  188. al:

    this weekend's game is a big test for our team.
    it is hard to stay up for four games in a row let alone 5, 6, 7.
    if we get by idaho this saturday, i say that we will beat their idahoan cousins in boise the following week as well.

    somebody better go stretch his vacation plans because after saturday i think he has to renegotiate his vacation schedule.


  189. Buffoman:

    One possible solution is the work through the defection. Heck the mess belongs to Benson so let him clean it up.

    When he's done, to avoid any more damage, fire him. Then these six so called intelligent people from the remaining universities need to hire a business consultant whose specialty is collegiate sports. Create a new JD, one that is very aggressive and out of the box (we have nothing to loose at this time so why the heck not) and look at benchmarks such as XXX dolar increase in television contract revenue, opening new markets, etc.. Then pay the guy crazy dollars (match Pac 10 or Southeast Conference) with specific benchmarks and timelines.

    Then let her/him go. We'll know really quick if the WAC is a piece of floating debris or it has the potential to be better than the MWC, ACC or Big East. Anything less would be agreeing that its okay to be mediocre. Let this person position the conference before inviting teams to get back to "normal". If this person can create that new level for the conference, who is to say that Arizona and Arizona State would not want to come back to the WAC. To be in that position, the WAC would have to be spectacular and you're not going to get there with re-threaded commissioners or AD's looking for active retirement.


  190. Stretch:

    al - I didn't want people getting too excited thinking that there is a possibility of having a Hawaii version of the "inferno" at Eastern Washington. For those who thought the blue turf was hard on your eyes, check out this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VncuRjRD0PE

    Unfortunately, not going to be making the trip to Boise.


  191. papajoe2:

    #185 phlyinhi, In my opinion, the only way that the bottom tier teams in the MWC will want to come back to the WAC is if we score a better TV package deal than the MWC. Why else should they come if they wouldn't get anything? It still is a business with their school presidents, chancellors, ADs, etc., so taking a pay cut doesn't make sense. Now, if we get rid of Bensen and have a new leader with clout or big balls, then maybe we could get a better TV deal and draw some other teams that we can pick and choose. Who knows? Maybe even a 12/14/16 team conference.


  192. Kapahulu:

    I also agree that the WAC needs to get rid of Karl Benson. How many teams have left the WAC since he has been Commissioner?

    Since the focus now seems to be on Conference TV money, I would like to see the new WAC Commissioner job go to Rick Blangiardi, if he could be talked into it.
    Think about it. He helped to bring one of the best College TV coverages to UH. What we need now is someone who understands TV contracts.


  193. madeinhawaii:

    I wonder if Riley Wallace would make a good Commish?


  194. Not an Expert:

    Last Call it was I making the following statement.

    I had stated UH sould stay in the WAC for now in football and move to the Big West for all
    their other sport programs. Based on the rumors of the settlement, Hawaii would have the Aces in hand to negotiate with a hapless Benson.

    I believe it will be an upgrade for all the other sports and traveling only to California will be easier and less costly for our teams. Some of this savings will help subsidize the travel cost for the Big West Schools.

    For football not knowing how this split would affect the future of the WAC, one thing for certain it will take years to build up their image and prestige (if possible) in order to demand more money from the networks. Thus the WAC should create a maximum 8 team football conference to qualify as a legit conference. Allow each school to negotiate their own TV
    package for the other 5 games 6 if they play in Hawaii. A percentage to go to the WAC to build a reserve to assist the league to promote and assist schools when necessary.

    Not able to get good TV payouts, than the WAC school can play an AQ schools at their place and garner the $2 million. Each WAC school could play 3 of those games which can earn them $6 million a year. Will take their lumps but in time with the money if used properly can help build up each school's program. When they get up to par with the AQ schools than money will flow in like it is for them.


  195. (Jesse)James:

    Hey Gang...just a quick hump day funny....

    "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued a medical alert about a highly contagious, potentially dangerous virus that is transmitted orally, by hand, and even electronically.

    This virus is called Weekly Overload Recreational Killer (WORK).

    If you receive WORK from your boss, any of your colleagues or anyone else via any means whatsoever - DO NOT TOUCH IT!!! This virus will wipe out your private life entirely. If you should come into contact with WORK you should immediately leave the premises.

    Take two good friends to the nearest liquor store and purchase one or both of the antidotes - Work Isolating Neutralizer Extract (WINE) and Bothersome Employer Elimination Rebooter (BEER). Take the antidote repeatedly until WORK has been completely eliminated from your system.

    You may immediately forward this medical alert to five friends. If you do not have five friends, you have already been infected and WORK is, sadly, controlling your life. Get help immediately."


  196. papajoe2:

    All this talk about colored fields, when Aloha Stadium first opened, I wondered out loud, why did we have orange seats in the bottom section? The UH is a state institution and the Aloha Stadium is also a state institution, so why not green seats on the lower sections? With OUR fans wearing green, it would disguise the empty seats on national TV. Didn't they just install new seats in the lower sections? Orange again? How many times were the orange seats changed since the opening of the stadium? Was there a sale on the orange seats? Green seats cost more? Does it take more labor to install green seats than orange seats? Oh, I forgot, common sense yeah.


  197. SteveM:

    NorthShoreFan:
    October 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Anyhoo....fo da T-gate...we are having guest from the land down under o wat?
    Menu going be local foods?....going get one list of kaukau errybody going bring?
    UHFan808 going play da music fo us at the T-gate?...

    I have appended the fuud tailgate food contributions to the tailgate announcement...click on my name and scroll down to the yellow background Events Calendar.

    Since the last two tailgate list attempts had only the same 6-8 people listing anything, I have stopped compiling the list as I indicated earlier. The last two was done at the request of UHfan808 and a nudge from d1. But the same underwhelming response.

    However, I will continue to compile the fuud contributions until FRI midnight if people post here.


  198. al:

    stevem...did i miss it?

    i was just over there at your tsaiko site and i couldn't find the most important link and unless i was too impatient perhaps i did miss it but.

    where's the link to the warrior beat?


  199. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    madeinhawaii,

    interesting idea...but for me i would say no one from hawaii or from W/IN the WAC schools...unless they somehow work for a BCS conference at the same time.

    I agree 1000% with Garret that it should come from the 2nd or 3rd in command with the Big 10/Big 12 conference. These guys are probably doing so much of the work cutting deals etc seeing how big the conference is.

    We need someone who has the connections in place with the big boys...it could help with scheduling and tv deals in the long run.


  200. LizKauai \m/:

    SteveM- cool! I will prolly bring something Korean (depending on where we stop).
    Unless the ESPN1420 fishmarket GC arrives soon!


  201. AlaWai:

    Green, Green, Green. Whose dis. Aloha Stadium is already being painted in Warrior Green.
    The field and the back drops at field level should also be the same color as Hawaii's Green Uniform. The impact is the same as BSU's blue uniform blue turf. We will have a Green House to defend.


  202. mctruck:

    Garret ur#153, last sentence,(WAC Presidents seem to like what he's doing?")

    What that tells me is that these Presidents are poor stewards of their respective universities.
    They probably can't be concerned enough to see what's happening with how Benson operates, or are just looking the other way because they feel let the other guy take the fall.


  203. LizKauai \m/:

    mctruck- while it may seem that way to the onlooker, I suspect that everyone is doing the best they can- and feeling like they have to support their various agendas.


  204. Kukui High School:

    I Agree with you Papajoe2. I think that we should have green seats in the stadium. I've been to the New Meadowlands Stadium this year and everything was green for the JETS game. Why can't we do the same?


  205. d1島:

    Garret,

    A playoff system would probably have the lower-seeded teams open with first-round games at the home stadiums of the champions of the AQ conferences. Do you want to take a guess of what UH's records is when playing at non-last-place AQ conference teams? The games will held in December also, which means cold weather and issues with air travel that complicate plans.

    If this were in place this season, were Hawaii to win the conference and represent the WAC, the 1st round of a 16-team play-off would be on the Dec 18-19 weekend which isn't too bad for travel. But then the fun starts!

    The teams that advance to the next round however, face traveling on short notice during X-mas week! :shock: I'm not sure how the logistics of this could be worked out since no city would risk blocking hotel rooms weeks or months in advance on the chance that their team would host a game that week. And that would be just for the teams involved! How about a few (or more) thousand fans!

    Some ask how can there be playoffs for every other Division of football?
    I know that for D3 ball, last season the Linfield administration was making preliminary plans for getting to the finals during the semi-final week. If they had won and qualified for the finals the school had plans for chartering one jet outta PDX for the team and selling seats to F & F to get to Salem, VA. Even that was logistically trying...can't imagine what it would be like airlifting thousands of people from one city to the next in a day or two!


  206. Pomai:

    I don't remember who called for the Hawaiian food for this tailgate but I'm making a couple of pans of Kalua pig.


  207. Pomai:

    #200 LizK - Hawaiian girl ---Hawaiian food.....like kulolo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  208. SteveM:

    RE: #198
    Al -- click on the big banner photo of ST & Cat.... or use the "back" button on your browser.


  209. BG:

    SteveM

    I'll bring the post game saimin with garnish again and some of Betty's shoyu chicken.


  210. SteveM:

    OK, I've finished late lunch so am off to go food shopping for the Country ribs and some of Shannon's "secret" ingredients. Note: one should never go fuud shopping when hungry...I find a 40% increase in items/$ at the checkout if I'm hungry... :|


  211. Kapahulu:

    I agree with Papajoe2, we should have green seats in place of the ugly orange seats at Aloha Stadium. Maybe we can still make the change before they replace the rest of the ugly orange seats.


  212. jm2375:

    I'm bringing the usual...


  213. NCAA:

    A company in Boise won the bid to supply seats for Aloha Stadium.


  214. Pomai:

    Are we at cabana B or patio #5 for this tailgate?


  215. al:

    #211...back in the day the colors of the seats represented two things:

    one, they are color coded for each tier of ticket pricing levels.
    two, remember when we were called the rainbows, thus the color of the rainbow represented by the color of the seating sections.

    i agree, now that we are warriors (no rainbow necessary).
    if we keep winning though mack would rather opt for black. since donning the black uniforms, well you know. the guy is superstitious.


  216. Stretch:

    al - you are going to kill the people attending games if there are black seats. Can you imagine the heat that would be generated during a day game??


  217. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    SITE 5 (UP TOP)


  218. NCAA:

    The Western Athletic Conference has scheduled a 6 a.m. Hawaii Time press conference for tomorrow to discuss a possible settlement with its breakway members Fresno State and Nevada.

    WAC commissioner Karl Benson declined to say whether an agreement had been reached in the nearly hour-long meeting today among conference presidents and chancellors.

    "There will be no announcement until tomorrow," Benson told The Star-Advertiser.


  219. A-House:

    Speaking of securing a new WAC commish - does Benson's contract include a "buy-out" clause? How much?

    BTW, how much does Benson earn now? I know, it's none of my business, but could be helpful in contract talks with new commish.


  220. Not an Expert:

    The whole football system needs a overhall. However the big boys already getting the big bucks will not want to change their survival and dominance of being the BIG DOGS.

    As I stated the non AQ teams and conferences should work together and build an alliance to help all of them to benefit more. The AQ teams that control things with the networks will continue to pluck teams out from the non-AQ conference so no other conference can gain the AQ status. The AQ's don't want to share and have the lesser than become their equal.

    Thus all non AQ teams to fend for their own self-serving interest and survival. Who could blame them cause that's how the game is played off the field.

    Could it be the non AQ commissioners are being personally subsidized by the AQ conferences. "None dare call it a conspiracy".


  221. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    POMAI AND 808IKE,

    Won't be there until 2-ish on Saturday.


  222. NorthShoreFan:

    Mahalo Slugger and SteveM...now me sees kalua already panned for..was gonna do that one but will do something else now...
    will bring one dessert item...(if da experiment work)....and got some kim chee in the box so will bring some of dat...(kim chee saimin?..)

    Anyhoo, IS IT GAME DAY YET?

    ps got me my new "H" magnetic logo yesterday... after someone stole da old one off da truck!...good to know it's that valuable...


  223. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    Don't work until 10am but will be up at 6am if I feel like it. Hell… I'll be up listening to 1420 if they broadcast it.

    If not, will go back to bed for about two hours to avoid ole' Josh Pacheco defending Karl Benson again… :roll:


  224. gmahoney:

    Bringing some "Gorilla Bread" to the TGate.


  225. NorthShoreFan:

    Kaz...see #195


  226. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    Just read ST's post earlier today.

    Prayers to the Curran Family at this time for whatever the issue may be.


  227. Stretch:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5734494

    A student manager for the Notre Dame football team died when the scissors lift he was stationed while filming practice fell over. Whenever I look at the scissor lifts being set up at the UH grass fields, it always makes me cringe since they are placed on the uneven dirt.


  228. airsumo:

    Since the AQ conferences have their bowl games, why can't all the non-AQ conferences have their own playoff system? Is it feasible?


  229. AlaWai:

    Local businessman Duane Kurisu is a Principal Partner of the San Francisco Giants. Has any other local owned part of a MLB team?


  230. al:

    stretch...hot seats? okay, so we should have only one black seat for the commissioner who should be in a hot seat after leaving the wac in a state of mess as it it. i am surprised they still keep him around.


  231. al:

    the commissioner is like that uh administrator who tells the fans not to yell so loud. huh?


  232. LizKauai \m/:

    #207 - I'll try but neighbor is not making kulolo right now... as if I wanted to have to leave early again to make up for my visit to TSA with it :twisted:


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  234. Shoko:

    Must be hard to make kulolo, or either a pain to make. Not a real fan of it, but my Dad and Mom always bought it if someone was making. Now, if they bought Huli-Huli Chicken, that was a different story. :)


  235. Buffoman:

    There was a mention of Riley possibly as the commish. Please no. he is too conservative. Need a business minded person. Another was Rick Blangiardi. That's not a bad thought. The guy knows business.

    Hey, if the WAC remainders are seious, then get serious and pay serious dollars. As I stated earlier, pay Southeastern Conference commish or Big 10 dollars and a short leash on defineable, big time milestones. The person signing up has got to have brass you know what and the ability to make waves. What you're talking about is making waves, ticking off people and taking no prisoners. Heck, the WAC has been laughed at, spat on, dissed and thworn under several buses. If the folks are serious, payback is going to be brutal and everyone is going to have to have the stomach for it. At this point everyone has to ask themselves, what do we have to loose?


  236. Ralph:

    Northshorefan, BG got the saimin covered, leave the kim chee saimin for another time, but kim chee fried rice is always welcomed.


  237. Okole Maluna:

    Picture how Green Empty Seats would look like in Aloha Stadium.

    http://www.featurepics.com/photos-images/stadium+green+seats.htm

    And How It would look on the Outside of Aloha Stadium.

    http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos-and-videos/photo-gallery/New-Meadowlands-Stadium-Greening-and-Sunset/28264ca7-e2ab-41fd-ae77-f84114e53dfa


  238. madeinhawaii:

    just paint bodies onto the seat backs.


  239. Pomai:

    I have to admit I had to google "Gorilla Bread". LOL


  240. Bstunna2002:

    I would say make all the seats green and change the seating system to levels instead of color seats...I was looking at a recruitng website and noticed a rb being considered by UH,his name is Devaunte Wright-Lamb he is from Pasco,Wa...Any chance he's related to Former Warrior Leon Wright-Jackson who's also from Pasco?...Also Great Job to Our Warriors who are one win away from accomplishing 1 of 3 goals Mack had set getting back to the Hawaii Bowl...


  241. Garret:

    Since the AQ conferences have their bowl games, why can't all the non-AQ conferences have their own playoff system? Is it feasible?

    The non-AQ schools would almost surely get *less* money from a non-AQ playoff than they get from the BCS system.

    To put things in perspective:
    The BCS system paid the non-AQ schools slightly over $23.5 million last year.

    Ratings for BCS bowls with non-AQ schools included are all in the bottom 10 in BCS bowl history. Get too many non-AQ schools and the BCS TV and ticket money would decrease significantly. Get the non-AQ schools a playoff system and I seriously doubt that the non-AQ schools would get any extra money. The public would see one "real" system and one secondary system...the D-IAA playoff system makes basically no money and the NIT went away once the NCAA basketball tournament eclipsed it.

    More perspective:
    Big 10 TV regular-season money last year: $242 million
    They have the viewers, they get the money, and that money is projected to hit $500 million per season in a few years!

    WAC TV regular-season money last year: $4.5 million
    MWC TV regular-season money last year: $13 million
    C-USA TV regular-season money last year: $13 million

    So, every week of the regular season, the Big 10 earned what the WAC *and* the MWC or C-USA earned for the *entire season!*

    If you look at the ratios, the non-AQ schools are getting a far better deal from the bowl system than they would be projected to make from a non-AQ playoff.

    The AQ schools know they are giving charity to the non-AQ conferences, but they do it to get Congress off their back and to prevent the conferences they get paycheck teams from going bankrupt. The non-AQ schools know they get more money this way. The Rose Bowl wouldn't have grown into the huge game it was if it matched up the WAC and MAC or Sun Belt (teams kind of geographically

    Karl Benson enthusiastically signed the latest BCS contract right away and praised the BCS system with NONE of the WAC's schools disagreeing. I would say that is an indication that the WAC does better in the BCS system, but sadly I don't trust anything from Benson and the WAC Presidents now.


  242. bb:

    So is the ANdy Katz story legit?

    NevaDUH and FSU are stuck till the end of 2012?


  243. Pomai:

    #236 Ralph HAWAIIAN braddah HAWAIIAN


  244. Steve:

    Pomai,

    Any possibility Bob Coolen can change the start time of their exhibition doubleheader with Chaminade from noon to 2:00 PM due to the start time change of the UH game with Boise?


  245. Garret:

    That wasn't supposed to post yet. The second to last paragraph should be:

    The Rose Bowl wouldn't have grown into the huge game it was if it matched up the WAC and MAC or Sun Belt (teams kind of geographically similar to the Big 10 and Pac-10). The population of states those two conferences bring and the prominence of their Universities (WELL BEFORE the BCS existed) compared to non-AQ schools built up that bowl into a money-printing machine.


  246. Okole Maluna:

    To #228 airsumo:

    Since the AQ conferences have their bowl games, why can't all the non-AQ conferences have their own playoff system? Is it feasible?

    There is no market for non AQ conference games. It won't be in the $$$ Millions like Sugar, Orange Rose etc.


  247. bb:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5735144


  248. madeinhawaii:

    Right now the WAC really needs Hawaii to stay in as a football school Otherwise, what bowl game do they have to look forward to?


  249. Okole Maluna:

    We just need to have 2007 season over and over year after year.

    We have done it before and we can do it again like Boise and TCU are doing.

    And now more than ever Warriors will have an opportunity to this without Boise, Fresno and Nevada in the Conference.

    But we would have to book 4 Top AQ schools for Non-Conference games year after year.

    Like the Diamond Head Classic is doing bring top final 4 teams.


  250. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    bb,

    Thanks for the link. That sounds more FAIR to UH, USU, NMSU, LaTech, Idaho, and SJSU.


  251. ai-eee-soos:

    " ... 155. Markazulu:
    October 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am
    Coach Shaw said we would be graduating four linemen this year. The young freshmen offensive linemen are an outstanding group. The defensive coaches have been telling the offensive coaches what a good job the young offensive linemen are doing against the defense. Coach Shaw feels very good about the offensive line situation. He’s looking for 4 or 5 more high school recruits which should get us out of the JC recruiting cycle. It’s much better having linemen in the program for 4 or 5 years. ... "

    Makazulu : THANKS for the FOOTBALL news.


  252. midori7:

    SteveM: for tailgate
    -spam musubi
    -okinawan sweet potato pie w/haupia topping

    Pomai:
    I looked up Gorilla Bread as well as the Australian desserts....can't wait for the sugar rush!

    GO WARRIORS!


  253. curveball:

    SteveM..Watermelon and smoked salmon...


  254. LizKauai (iChrome):

    FYI- From Hawaiian TelCom Customer Relations:

    I have been advised that, unfortunately, the New MexicoState game will be blacked out for Hawaiian Telcom subscribers.

    As for those subscribers that will be traveling out of state, access depends on where the subscriber is at the time of the game.


  255. LizKauai (iChrome):

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/105920953.html

    Notre Dame student filming practice dies when tower topples

    God Bless!


  256. wafan:

    Good evening/afternoon!

    Well, what a "surprise" for everyone. Another Benson decision is on the horizon. Dang. he just never really runs out of good ideas.

    Shucks.


  257. madeinhawaii:

    Have they decided who will be returning punts, yet?


  258. wafan:

    On the bright side today was a dry Hump Day!!!

    Whoo-hoo!!!


  259. wafan:

    Well, that did not look right.

    I meant the weather was bright and sunny! No clouds after the fog burned off this morning -- it was a dry day.

    Gosh.

    Where is the delete button?!?!


  260. wafan:

    Hopefully the WACy CEOs get their act together and actually do something for the sake of the kids.

    Seemingly for the first time in a long time.


  261. wafan:

    With the game on ESPNU I am hopeful it will also be on one of the alternative channel sites.


  262. madeinhawaii:

    How about Miah Ostrowski. Is he ready for Punt Return duty? Time to earn that scholie.


  263. koakane ip4:

    afternoon peeps getting excited for tgate and game.

    again stay focused


  264. wafan:

    I like the idea of maybe moving all sports sports, save football, to another conference. Guaranteed football games mid to late season in a conference would be better than scrounging around and begging.


  265. wafan:

    Monarch men of Moscow. Play well this Saturday . . . but not too well!

    Go Warriors!!!


  266. wafan:

    Everyone take garlic cloves to the stadium!

    Every time the Warriors score toss the cloves on the field!!!

    Mmmmmmmmm . . . garlic fries and garlic mashed potatoes!!!


  267. Pomai:

    #244 - Steve - I doubt it, but will try and find out.


  268. bb:

    Guarantee winner costume for the Keiki Costume Constest on Saturday night.

    Parents, dress your son or daughter as Mr. Potato Head. Make sure you have the goofy shoes, Rambis glasses and BJ Penn ears.

    Let that kid on the field and the fans would go spud wild!


  269. 808ike:

    SteveM,

    Bringing sushi. Al, Koakane and others have been asking.


  270. 808ike:

    Kazz,

    Need to talk to you at T-gate.


  271. wafan:

    All this talk of the yummy food at the T-Gate. Looks likeI will be forced to cook up some stuff here. Sadly, I will have to enjoy it all alone.

    Need to find some frozen poi.


  272. wafan:

    Time to kick it.

    Nytal!


  273. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    As far as this season is concerned, I think the softball team has done their share of scheduling accomodations for the other sports as it is.

    Personally speaking, and I might be alone on this one, but I will watch as much of the BSU game as I can and I am off to Manoa for the doubleheader at 12 noon.


  274. Ralph:

    haupia cake for the tailgate


  275. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    808ike,

    Won't be at the tailgate until 2pm or so.


  276. gigi-hawaii:

    sushi sounds good. I haven't had it in months. But will yours be as good as sushi in Tokyo??? yum!


  277. gigi-hawaii:

    poor Kazz. Too bad you have to work on Saturdays.


  278. 808ike:

    Pac 10 or Pac 12, you can have Benson with our blessing. When Fresno St. and Nevada announced their defection, he was at USC dorms carrying boxes instead of in his office working. When your conference has a crisis, you know where to find him.


  279. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    Gigi,

    It's not bad. There are WORSE things…

    I don't mind working with people I like and respect for longer than normal at times.

    It's working with yes-men/women and a two-faced b---- for a minimal amount of time a week is what I could no longer stand.


  280. gigi-hawaii:

    kazz,
    I prefer to be retired. LOL

    BTW, babysitting my 8 mo old grandson is not work.


  281. 808ike:

    gigi-hawaii,

    Will be there around noon. For taste, need to ask other Tsaikos and Tsaikettes. Don't know how my sushi stands up to others.


  282. gigi-hawaii:

    ike,
    have you ever tasted Korean sushi?

    My hairdresser gave me some to taste last year. Was ono.


  283. NYUH:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Oklahoma-State-wide-receiver-Justin-Blackmon-suspended-one-game-after-arrest-on-misdemeanor-DUI-charge-102710


  284. gigi-hawaii:

    I think UH should remain in the WAC and just keep rebuilding the conference with additional schools. After all, hasn't this happened before (other schools seceding in the past)?

    Wouldn't scheduling be less stressful (belonging to the WAC) than becoming independent?


  285. Last Call:

    ESPN ....Fresno and Nevada staying through 2011-2012 season for a lesser departure fee .


  286. 808ike:

    gigi-hawaii,

    Korean sushi-once.
    Friend asked ex to make sushi for his party.


  287. Last Call:

    Now all want to hear is UH leaving the WAC after the 2011-2012 season.


  288. 808ike:

    gigi-hawaii,

    Mymsushi is local-style.


  289. gigi-hawaii:

    ike,
    I won't be able to attend the Tgate this Saturday. I guess I'll just have to wait for your sushi some other time.


  290. 808ike:

    gigi-hawaii,

    My sushi is local-style.

    Omit #288


  291. LizKauai (iPad):

    Gigi- 808ike is a gourmet chef. You will be missing more than scrabble on Sat!


  292. gigi-hawaii:

    Liz,
    too bad, then. I like gourmet food.

    Looks like all of my Saturdays are booked through November. Xmas party, 2 birthday parties, etc.


  293. UHalumInOC:

    FYI...just noticed that the UH vs Idaho game is listed to be broadcast on ESPN gameplan and espn3.com! Success is breeding popularity...good job Warriors on selling yourselves as gold to the football watching communty.
    Keep on kicking butt and making Hawaii proud!


  294. 808ike:

    OFF TOPIC:

    Early signing period for all sports except football starts 10/10/10.


  295. Momo:

    We will bring sweet sour chicken.....


  296. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    808ike,

    You mean 11/10/2010? Right?


  297. 808ike:

    Kazz,

    You are correct. My one finger zinger pressed the wrong #.


  298. 808ike:

    #298


  299. 808ike:

    #300


  300. 808ike:

    missed


  301. 808ike:

    In woman's volleyball, #10 Texas defeats #2 Nebraska 3-1.


  302. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    PARODY!!!!!!! THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNKK YYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU!!!


  303. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    WAC football: Updating the expansion process

    Posted by Jon Wilner on October 27th, 2010 at 7:09 pm | Categorized as BYU football, Fresno State football, Karl Benson, Mike MacIntyre, San Jose State football, WAC football
    By Jon Wilner

    The Western Athletic Conference is close to finalizing expansion plans that would bring Texas State and Texas-San Antonio into the conference for football beginning with the 2012 season, league officials said.

    Denver and Seattle don’t play football but are strong candidates to join in other sports, including men’s basketball.

    The WAC’s expansion timeline has accelerated in the two months since Fresno State and Nevada announced they would jump to the Mountain West, leaving the conference with six football-playing schools, including San Jose State.

    “You’d like to get the league set as quickly as possible so it settles things for recruits,’’ SJSU Coach Mike MacIntyre said. “You don’t want to go into their homes (this winter) and have them ask you all kinds of questions.’’

    WAC commissioner Karl Benson originally targeted next spring as the window for inviting new members. But that plan changed after coaches encountered negative recruiting by teams in other conferences, which have told recruits that the WAC’s future is in jeopardy.

    “It’s important to send a strong message sooner than later that the WAC will continue to operate,” Benson said.

    Asked if the Spartans have been affected by negative recruiting, MacIntyre said: “Not at this moment.”

    Texas State, Texas-San Antonio, Seattle and Denver made presentations last month to the WAC membership committee, which includes SJSU athletic director Tom Bowen.
    Both Texas schools, which play in the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA), appeared eager to make the jump to major college football. They expect to have football budgets that are “very comparable” to those of the six remaining WAC teams, Benson said.

    The WAC is also interested in adding Montana, a highly successful FCS program. But the Grizzlies are conducting a feasibility study to determine if a jump to the WAC – and all the accompanying costs, particularly for scholarships – is worthwhile.

    “History has proven that you can join the WAC and be successful,’’ Bowen said, citing Boise State, which joined in 2001, as a prime example.

    “We want universities that see playing FBS football a priority, and all the people we’ve discussed (expansion) with understand that.’’

    Fresno State and Nevada are expected to remain in the WAC for football through the 2011 season. The new members would join in time for 2012 to avoid a season in which the WAC only had six teams.

    (bullet) Bowen said the WAC may continue its football scheduling partnership with Brigham Young beyond the current two-year agreement. (It’s expected that SJSU will visit Provo in 2011 and host the Cougars in 2012.)

    (bullet) Bowen also plans to continue playing Fresno State in as many sports as possible, including football. “We still want to be a part of that rivalry,’’ he said. “Both schools are committed to it.’’

    *** I’ve talked with multiple WAC officials and multiple WAC sources in recent days and put together a story for Thursday’s Mercury News. If you’ve been following the WAC expansion process closely — either through the Hotline or other outlets — then some of what you’ll read below isn’t news.

    But first, a few items:

    * Fresno State and Nevada are very close to reaching a departure agreement with the league. It’s all-but-certain that they will stay through the 2011 football season and pay some kind of penalty — whether it’s $5 million each, I don’t know. (One report out of Fresno today said the schools would ante up $1 million.)

    * There’s a good chance the WAC’s football scheduling partnership with BYU will be extended beyond the current two-year deal. BYU needs games, after all.

    * SJSU athletic director Tom Bowen told me that he plays to play Fresno State in as many sports as possible, including football — and that FSU appears committed to maintaining the rivalry.

    The story ….

    The Western Athletic Conference is close to finalizing expansion plans that would bring Texas State and Texas-San Antonio into the conference for football beginning with the 2012 season, league officials said.

    Denver and Seattle don’t play football but are strong candidates to join in other sports, including men’s basketball.

    The WAC’s expansion timeline has accelerated in the two months since Fresno State and Nevada announced they would jump to the Mountain West, leaving the conference with six football-playing schools, including San Jose State.

    “You’d like to get the league set as quickly as possible so it settles things for recruits,’’ SJSU Coach Mike MacIntyre said. “You don’t want to go into their homes (this winter) and have them ask you all kinds of questions.’’

    WAC commissioner Karl Benson originally targeted next spring as the window for inviting new members. But that plan changed after coaches encountered negative recruiting by teams in other conferences, which have told recruits that the WAC’s future is in jeopardy.

    “It’s important to send a strong message sooner than later that the WAC will continue to operate,” Benson said.

    Asked if the Spartans have been affected by negative recruiting, MacIntyre said: “Not at this moment.”

    Texas State, Texas-San Antonio, Seattle and Denver made presentations last month to the WAC membership committee, which includes SJSU athletic director Tom Bowen.

    Both Texas schools, which play in the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA), appeared eager to make the jump to major college football. They expect to have football budgets that are “very comparable” to those of the six remaining WAC teams, Benson said.

    The WAC is also interested in adding Montana, a highly successful FCS program. But the Grizzlies are conducting a feasibility study to determine if a jump to the WAC – and all the accompanying costs, particularly for scholarships – is worthwhile.

    “History has proven that you can join the WAC and be successful,’’ Bowen said, citing Boise State, which joined in 2001, as a prime example.

    “We want universities that see playing FBS football a priority, and all the people we’ve discussed (expansion) with understand that.’’

    Fresno State and Nevada are expected to remain in the WAC for football through the 2011 season. The new members would join in time for 2012 to avoid a season in which the league only had six teams.


  304. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    Last Call:

    October 27th, 2010 at 9:39 am
    Just curious has anyone ever seen the President of this University at an athletic event ?

    Used to see David McClain A LOT at the arena and at Les Murakami.

    I forgot what Marcy Greenwood looked like until I went to the BOR meeting regarding the athletic fee.


  305. madeinhawaii:

    "Marcy Greenwood " .... ah.. thanks.. couldn't remember her name, much less her face.


  306. madeinhawaii:

    Seems like Hinshaw is becoming the face of UH Upper campus.. JD, Lower Campus...


  307. papajoe2:

    Thanks Kazz for #303. It makes me feel just a little better. I still would like for UH to go elsewhere in other sports but, because scheduling may get even more difficult in the future because of all the conference playoffs, stay in the WAC in football.


  308. madeinhawaii:

    Every time I heard the name David McClain, I'd flash on Lieutenant Colonel Henry Braymore Blake of MASH 4077. Why is that?


  309. Dennis Halloran:

    Following the Montana newspapers tells me that the Griz will economically decline moving up
    Stadium expansion, scholarship expansion, staff salary expansion will not be made up by WAC exposure.
    WAC still looks better as a west wing of CUSA in a few years
    Seattle U was turned down by WCC because they did not raise BB status, and then they accomplished that by corralling Provo.
    let's go, six in a row!


  310. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    papajoe2,

    Time time time... this is what we need.

    At first I was excited about the prospect of football doing the indy thing and the other sports competing in the Big West. However in reality, while the other sports would be ok settled in the Big West and UH saving some kala by only traveling in California, football in the independent scene is sketchy at best.

    If we handle our business and schedule good OCC opponents, we can move on, even in a WAC that looks like:

    UH
    SJSU
    Utah State
    LaTech (????)
    NMSU
    Idaho
    Montana
    Texas State
    UT San Antonio

    UH has never been in a position to demand or even carve it's own destiny thanks to errors of the past, but in this kind of WAC we can force more hands than we can now.

    ***On a side note, I forgot UT San Antonio softball previously held the NCAA Division I home run record in back to back season back in the early 2000's.***

    Texas State women's volleyball and softball are pretty competitive too.


  311. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    Besides, if Texas State and UT San Antonio start getting their act together to really compete in football, I have NO doubt they will be a competitve D1 program in 3 years.

    The state of Texas loves them some foobaw and they have can muster the resources to show it.


  312. Kazz (click to support Rainbow Wahine Softball):

    I can live with a football only agreement with the WAC for UH and a Big West departure for the rest.


  313. A-House:

    Is Marcy Greenwood absent because she turned over all responsibility for athletics to Hinshaw?

    Does this mean if UH makes another BCS game, she will not attend?


  314. A-House:

    If the WAC had not insisted that UH bring over the wahine VB, wonder who would have been the WAC champion the past 17 or 18 years?

    Likewise, would UH have won as many Big West championships if they stayed?


  315. homey ℞:

    #302 Parody? Huh?


  316. gigi-hawaii:

    So Alex Green's mother will be at the Boise State game? She's Alex's good luck charm and is good for the team, as well. Great news, Kekaula!


  317. gmahoney:

    #302 Kazz, did you mean parity?


  318. chawan_cut:

    evenin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk3ba98KXhM


  319. Hank:

    ...as always, mahalo Chawan...


  320. Hank:

    ...it looks like we will remain in the WAC, and i for one am glad that we are not a part of the MWC...

    ...ETHICS matters...

    Go Warriors!


  321. Kazz blogging via DROID X:

    . gmahoney: October 27th, 2010 at 6:53 pm #302 Kazz, did you mean parity?

    Oops.... :oops:


  322. diehard fan:

    Thanks for the info, Kazz 303 & 310. And Texas State and Texas San Antonio are closer to HI than Louisiana.

    Hawaii can't really carve its own destiny, not due to errors on it's part, but due to its geographic location and the time and costs required to travel by Hawaii and its opponents.


  323. Stretch:

    I've seen Greenwood at the football games.


  324. BG:

    gigi

    Ike's sushi is terrible! Do not go near it! It's really bad for you...avoid it at all costs!


  325. gigi-hawaii:

    hahaha! I won't be there to begin with, BG. Other commitments.


  326. HawaiiMongoose:

    Time to open up a football recruiting pipeline from south Texas. They've got a lot of great athletes down there.


  327. al:

    ahouse...i think i told you that we would get a stevens and not a stephens. mbb that is.

    http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/216

    the gibber had been recruiting him since he was a sophmore.


  328. UHfan808@gmail.com:

    Not traveling on the road with the Warriors and need Tsai-ko moral support during one or both televised upcoming away games held at Boise State &/or New Mexico State??? Or, just wanna hang out watch the Warrior away games with fellow Tsai-kos?

    Come one and come all; join in for warm, friendly, UH-football-fan-crazee-opponent-chilling, Tsai-ko-fun camaraderie!

    *YES*, life sure is made *more terrific* when you can hang out cheer/scream alongside fellow Tsai-kos during televised away games! TsaiLurk-kos are welcome, too! :wink:

    GO WARRIORS!!! cheehoooooo!!! :smile:

    I'm coordinating with James and Koakane; If you'd like to attend, soon as possible for reasons indicated for each below, please send your RSVP and number of people who will attend to the email addy, (no spaces, please -->) Tsaiko TV gate (at) gmail (dot) com; details and announcements below for both UH away game TV-gates –

    ===============================================
    !! Tsai-ko TV-gate ANNOUNCEMENTS !!
    !! Tsai-ko TV-gate ANNOUNCEMENTS !!
    ===============================================

    I. RE UH Warriors @ BSU game
    ------------------------------------
    Please note that the TV-gate location & time for this game been changed.

    Our beloved UH Warriors take on those WAC-leaving BSU horsies on that great-big-ugleeeee-and-senseless-duck-killing-smurf-blue field lol :oops:

    Need your RSVP soon as possible so we know the number of seats to reserve.

    DATE: Saturday, November 6, 2010
    TIME: Opens at 8:30 A.M. for 9:30 A.M. HST/1:30 P.M. MT game (new time)
    LOCATION: C K Lounge, 904 Kohou Street, Kalihi area, Ewa side of and next to Kapalama Canal on mountain end closer to the freeway, and between N. King & Dillingham
    PARKING: If the parking lot is full, lots of free parking along the street
    BREAKFAST: Free steak and eggs breakfast will be available!
    RSVPs: 19 attending; 5 maybes

    Thank you to Pride. for setting up this reservation for us!

    ===============================================
    !! Tsai-ko TV-gate ANNOUNCEMENTS !!
    !! Tsai-ko TV-gate ANNOUNCEMENTS !!
    ===============================================

    II. RE UH Warriors @ NMSU game
    ----------------------------------------
    Please note that the time for this game been updated AGAIN.

    In this our last road game of the 2010 UH Warrior season, the Warriors take on annodah gosh-darnit-dagnamitly-b-o-r-i-n-g-nickname-to-cheer-against aggie farmas of NMSU lol lol

    Need your RSVP soon as possible so the owner can determine whether he will hold a lunch buffet for us.

    DATE: Saturday, November 23, 2010
    TIME: Opens at 9 A.M. for kick off at 10 A.M. HST/1 P.M. MT
    LOCATION: Imua Lounge, 815B Keeaumoku St, Ala Moana area, directly across the HMSA building
    PARKING: Park in the stalls in front or along the street
    FUUD: If we have sufficient head count, the owner will provide a buffet lunch. yay! Pride. is checking whether we can do a potluck/bring extra fuud.
    RSVPs: 16 attending; 9 maybes

    Thank you to Rob25 for setting up this reservation for us!

    ===============================================
    !! Tsai-ko TV-gate ANNOUNCEMENTS !!
    !! Tsai-ko TV-gate ANNOUNCEMENTS !!
    ===============================================
    Games times posted at the UH athletics site:
    2010 UH football schedule: http://hawaiiathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&

    We'd like to patronize a different location for each of the away games and will do our best to consider seating arrangements for fairly large group, fuud pricing/quality/quantity/variety, size/number of televisions/quality/quantity, location, parking availability, and whether reservation deposit is required. If you have a suggestion(s) for next year, please feel free to send it to the email addy above. Mahalo!


  329. al:

    in unrelated news...
    the courts have shutdown limewire for copyright infringement.


  330. NorthShoreFan:

    SteveM...AAArrGHH!...was planning on a couple of things to make but I see there will be duplicates and so....will bring some Korean style marinated animal for the grill and....some kind of dessert....kim chee


  331. al:

    HawaiiMongoose...tree dat.

    i miss the likes of jake patek, ryan mouton, e-rob, and soon hot rod bradley.
    i think we whiffed on texans last year.


  332. UHfan808@gmail.com:

    Contest!!

    Come up with and post a cheer against the Idaho potatoes from now until Thursday 10:00 a.m. HST, and if I choose yours, you can have my ticket to watch this Saturday's UH vs. Idaho game at Aloha Stadium.

    Please identify your submittal by addressing it to UHfan808.

    It's homecoming and I'll be joining the alumni band for this game. It's been years since I've twirled a flag so I'm sticking with my clarinet this time gonna try it aways, yikes! hehe

    Good luck!


  333. UHfan808@gmail.com:

    Commercials done!

    Happy Evening Tsaikos and Tsaikettes, Lurkers and Lurkettes!


  334. UHfan808@gmail.com:

    #332 RE Contest - So far there were three submittals from last night, two of which contained excerpts from the Funky Cold Medina, me thinks hehe :smile:


  335. skycap:

    California hoop prospect Ronnie Stevens, Commitment to play for the Rainbow Warriors next season 2011-12,

    http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/216

    http://www.warriorinsider.com/2010/10/stevens-commits-to-hawaii/


  336. UHfan808@gmail.com:

    SteveM - Unless I wake up "early", I won't be able to attend the tailgate, sorry! :sad:

    Slugger - Have information. The Alumni Band only plays during the pre-game block formation, then we'll sit in the seats in front of the band. Will take my clarinet with me along with my flag in case I need it. hehe


  337. al:

    uhfan808

    boiled potatoes, baked potatoes, sweet potato pie
    hit em in da face, punch em in da eye
    when da game stay pau potatoes no mo
    cuz we stay mash da potatoes from idaho


  338. UHfan808@gmail.com:

    hehe al! :smile:


  339. TYaiea:

    uhfan808

    grill'em, bake'm, bar-b-que', boil'em, saute'm and cut'em up...just cook those vandal spuds! Uhhh...want fires with that? (does it make sense?)


  340. al:

    i made you laugh..


  341. al:

    rah, rah, rah
    sis boom bah
    beat the idaho spuds
    they just a bunch of duds.


  342. TYaiea:

    g'nite all. time to sleep. IMUA Warriors....


  343. al:

    hit em high,
    hit em low
    nothing worse
    than idaho


  344. al:

    tyaiea...no forget take the points but cheer for the home team.


  345. Ralph:

    I can just imagine the cheers at McKinley High School, we have a song leader and a flag girl on the blog. :)


  346. LizKauai (iPad):

    Nitey nite!


  347. Kazz blogging via DROID X:

    Idaho potato poem:

    Idaho Idaho.... AIKAE.

    pau.


  348. whitey:

    son, you betta go get my slippah
    cause if you don't
    you going get the idaho whippah


  349. Kazz blogging via DROID X:

    Oops! I meant here is my Idaho cheer:

    Boo! You guys suck!

    pau.


  350. madeinhawaii:

    shouldn't that be..

    hit 'em high
    hit 'em low
    send 'em back to Idaho!

    then light a candle
    for the Vandals
    who will be man handled

    GoooOOOOOOO WARRIRORS~ IMUA!


  351. al:

    okay...mih you win. pick up your marbles and your ticket and you better show up.


  352. madeinhawaii:

    hmmm let me try again

    hit 'em high
    hit 'em low
    send 'em back to Idaho!

    light a candle
    for the Vandals
    soon to be manhandled

    GoooOOOOOOO WARRIRORS~
    WARRIORS IMUA!

    WHOOTAH!


  353. madeinhawaii:

    Nah.. das my present for you, al.


  354. al:

    already got tickets.


  355. madeinhawaii:

    Vandals Auwe!
    E..ah... e..ah...
    E..ah...e..ah!

    Poho Idaho!
    E...ah ...e ..ah..
    E...ah...e...ah!

    Auwe... Auwe...
    Away! Away with Idaho!
    GoooOOOO WARRIORS!
    e...ah... e...ah!


  356. madeinhawaii:

    Me, I'm working with the Mrs ... and I think I gotta go get my knee looked at... tweaked it a few weeks ago.. not getting better.


  357. chopsueyboy:

    tom mui

    sorry I missed you.


  358. madeinhawaii:

    Anyway.. I just wanted to give another shout out to Ryan Henry for choosing to don the Warrior green and leaving it all on the field! Hope you heal well, heal fast, well in time for graduation and I hope you make your dreams come true! Mahalo nui loa to a true Warrior!


  359. whitey:

    mih, go to costco and get Celadrin. All natural and the bugga works.


  360. madeinhawaii:

    Night all!
    Can't wait to hear what the Benson has to say...


  361. madeinhawaii:

    Whitey,

    Celadrin, eh?
    Will check it out.. thanks !


  362. Curt:

    very funny cheers.


  363. whitey:

    On Sat in comes the Vandals,
    Good game, but da Warriors will handle
    The kala (green) will run
    It will be fun
    So come watch Vandals tumble
    As da Warriors show our fans how to rumble.

    Henry Wadsworth Kekania


  364. whitey:

    mih, use many different herbal remedies, and can say that this is one of the better ones for aches and pain. it can be found in the herbal supplement section in costco.


  365. LizKauai (iPad):

    Uhfan808-
    Suppress them, suppress them,
    Make them relinquish the ball.
    Stop them, stop them,
    Let none advance at all!

    Three and out, we shout, we shout,
    The vandals want for more,
    But out of the hunt, the spuds must punt,
    And Warriors play to score!

    Okok so it turned into a poem... No offense intended to Kekoa. :lol:


  366. whitey:

    time to rest and prepare for tomorrow's marketing meeting.


  367. madeinhawaii:

    Vandals in the house
    Call out the Mouse
    Run em.. and shoot em..
    Just don't let em loose.

    Then clean em.. and skin em.
    And Hang em to dry
    Cause every knows
    In a Mack Attack
    We'll need dem taters to fry!

    GO WARRIORS!


  368. madeinhawaii:

    night!


  369. Curt:

    Vandal cheerleader favorite cheer:

    You da fan.
    Where da doe?
    You da man.
    I-da-ho.


  370. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    idaho haiku:

    a green turf awaits
    many a warrior call
    sour cream and chives

    the end.


  371. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    lets go bows
    who da ho?
    suck my toe
    f*&@ idaho.


  372. Curt:

    UH 24-0


  373. Pride.:

    Huaka'i Po
    Huaka'i Po

    Huaka'i Po
    Huaka'i Po

    Huaka'i Po
    Huaka'i Po

    Warriors from the past
    Warriors of old

    Walking through the path
    of Ku Kane Lono

    Don't look at the light
    The light in their eyes

    If you look into the light
    You will surely die

    So I say to You
    Idaho, Idaho

    Beware of the night
    Huaka'i Po

    Yes I say to You
    Idaho, Idaho

    Beware of the night
    Our Huaka'i Po


  374. chopsueyboy:

    Is it morning yet, or the Tsai-ko clock slow


  375. Meggie:

    UH 42-UI 41


  376. Curt:

    And all was quiet in Tsai-ko land. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


  377. SteveM:

    RE: #365

    Liz .....
    "Suppress them, suppress them,
    Make them relinquish the ball.
    Stop them, stop them,
    Let none advance at all!" ??????

    You remember the cheerleader tryouts in the movie "The Replacements"?
    I can visualize the scene...

    ...and don't use the the word "suppress" around Kekoa in this context. :shock:


  378. Slugger:

    UHFan808,

    OKey Dokey, I'll get to the stadium early to video you.

    Chawan_cut,

    Mahalo for the news! I had to go to hula class. Good to hear that Alex Green's Mom will be at the Boise game & the UNLV game. Go, Alex, go!

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  379. Slugger:

    Night all!


  380. Pomai:

    UH vs idaho
    24    -    00    Curt
    28    -    06    LK
    33    -    10    maui warrior
    34    -    10    midnight
    35    -    10    pomai
    35    -    14    gigi
    35    -    17    Hilo Moon
    38    -    14    LizKauai
    38    -    21    wafan
    39    -    09    Mrs A-House
    41    -    10    4UH
    41    -    17    Garret
    42    -    06    Jack Flash
    42    -    07    tommui
    42    -    13    Glenn
    42    -    17    longdistance808
    42    -    21    Ms MOMO
    42    -    24    MP
    42    -    41    Meggie
    43    -    20    Okole Maluna
    45    -    00    HNL
    45    -    10    Steve
    45    -    14    MR GIGI
    45    -    17    gmahoney
    45    -    20    Na Koa Mike
    45    -    21    Momo
    45    -    38    al
    47    -    10    A-House
    48    -    12    MasaBoy
    48    -    14    slugger
    48    -    21    GRM
    48    -    24    Boo-sit
    49    -    00    Kev-1
    49    -    09    protector
    49    -    13    Hflyer
    49    -    14    Tarai
    49    -    17    WassupDoc
    49    -    20    sportsforfun
    49    -    21    DPK
    49    -    24    iwonderwhytheyhateme
    49    -    27    wade
    49    -    28    Tchahng
    50    -    22    NYUH
    51    -    13    lil.s.808
    52    -    03    Bstunna2002
    52    -    10    BigHiloFan2
    52    -    14    Tyaiea
    52    -    17    Hilo-Warrior
    52    -    20    pcwarrior
    52    -    24    klo
    53    -    20    Uhffan808
    54    -    10    papajoe2
    54    -    19    Ballpicker
    56    -    06    SailorBlue
    56    -    10    Candy
    56    -    14    d1
    56    -    17    chopsueyboy
    59    -    28    Ipu Man
    62    -    31    Pride
    63    -    10    Kukui High School
    63    -    14    makule808
    63    -    17    Michigan Warrior
    63    -    24    Derek
    66    -    06    RedZone
    70    -    07    Kekoa


  381. BigHiloFan2:

    RYAN HENRY

    I just wanted to give another shout out to Ryan Henry for choosing to don the Warrior green and leaving it all on the field! Hope you heal well, heal fast, well in time for graduation and I hope you make your dreams come true! Mahalo nui loa to a true Warrior!

    I'm seconding dat emotion. Good job, Ryan. Much success to you in life, and may you have a smile on your face through life. Thanks for being a part of us!


  382. BigHiloFan2:

    Having 2 Texas Schools be part of the WAC is a winner, imo! I remember a coupla years ago, I wondered why we was playing Central Florida. And then I saw them play, and wth?

    but first things first.

    we gots to take care of business on Sat.

    minimizing coaching "mistakes", coach, that is the key!!! you got the players. you got the coaches. its what you do on 4th downs, point afters, the scenarios in close game situations, da iffs anzz an buttz, visualize coach, visualize. :D

    IMUA WARRIORS!


  383. BigHiloFan2:

    an so...

    Fresno and Nevada gonna play us "one mo time"?! 1 home an 1 away? Fresno gonna get likkins ova here! :mrgreen:

    Nevada, we gonna buss em up ova dare! :mrgreen:

    i gottsa see dis fo myself wit deze two brown eyes. :lol:

    lick em one mo time fo all times sake! :D

    okay... gotta take care business first.
    I can here Kama, whisperin to da Warriors in his catholic upbringin voice....

    I - da - ho. I - da - ho. :lol:


  384. BigHiloFan2:

    cannot wait fo da Tgate, and especially da game....

    join y'all about 3 ish. family business 1st. ass why da Aussies coming.... family business.... :D

    hi ho hi ho....

    IMUA WARRIORS!!!!


  385. A-TChahng:

    tree atey fife!


  386. RainbowCliff:

    Good Morning Tsaiko Nation !

    Today will mark a milestone achievement for me as I have
    completed 18 years of dedicated professional service to
    thousands of disadvantage children at the Al Wooten Jr. Heritage Center.

    Since October 28th, 1992 I have kept my FOCUS on the education I received
    from Manoa and the WONDERFUL experience of working with your children from
    Hawaii and have turned this journey into an accomplishment that really leaves me
    speechless with so much joy and happiness of great satisfaction as a respected
    professional male role model who's only chief desire was to always render a professional service.

    I have been told you judge a man's character by his words and action of sharing and
    caring for God's people as through this when all is said and done that your time on earth
    will be fullfilled with many awards, accomplishments, praises and heart felt appreciation
    as for the past 18 years in TOUGH South Central Los Angeles I have made a DIFFERENCE
    of saving young lives from drive by shootings, drug addiction, alcoholism, prositution, gang retaliation and initiation !

    Finally, a warm MAHALO to each and everyone of you for allowing me to come on your
    blog and express my LIFE of what I have done and accomplish since having the HONOR
    of wearing the Rainbow Warrior uniform from 1976-81. 28 years of doing my "VERY BEST"
    away from the gathering place with 18 years today of representing you good folks with
    honor, dignity and respect !

    Have a WONDERFUL day Tsaiko Nation and thank you ALL for your GREATNESS !

    A HUI HO !


  387. airsumo:

    re: 359 mih Knee pain usually a sign of sciatica. For all knee pain not caused by injury, the best cure is a stretching exercise called "smell your feet". Sitting on a chair cross the offending knee over the other knee. Then try to smell your feet by simultaneously raising your feet and bending towards it.


  388. TYaiea:

    Aloha kakahiaka. Not Saturday yet? Al, hope you're wrong. Warrios going win big. They are the gamblers dream!!! IMUA NA KOA...


  389. Garret:

    The last proposal on the table was reportedly to have Fresno State and Nevada make a combined buyout of less than $2 million before joining the Mountain West Conference, far below the $5 million each the WAC had been seeking per the so-called solidarity pact agreed to by the members in early August.

    Indications are the buyout could be spread over several years so that the remaining six members, including UH, would receive less than $100,000 per year.

    If Ferd's article is correct, then Nevada and Fresno State will apparently pay *less* than $1 million each to exit the conference...it would appear that the WAC traded off money for being able to keep Fresno/Nevada in the conference longer.

    For leaving after this school year, BSU is reportedly leaving behind about $1 million that they would have gotten from the WAC, so $1 million is BSU's "exit fee". If Fresno State and Nevada pay the same (or less!), then it appears that the WAC is treating things like Fresno and Nevada gave notice in time to leave after the 2011-2012 season. That would mean they are kind of completely ignoring the loyalty pledge payments...wow.

    If Fresno and Nevada are members of the WAC through 2011-2012, then it would appear that they would share WAC revenue like any other member. So, if BSU makes a BCS bowl, Fresno and Nevada will each get $375k of the $3 million the conference will split. UH will get $375k instead of $500k if Fresno/Nevada were out of the conference sharing. Of course, UH beating BSU would mean no BCS bowl money for the WAC and it wouldn't matter then anyway.

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/sportsnews/20101028_Fresno_State_Nevada_likely_to_stay_in_WAC_through_June_2012.html


  390. whitey:

    Good morning Tsaikos


  391. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Congratz R/C for many years of loyal service to your community.

    Keep on showing off that *Aloha* spirit!


  392. Garret:

    Ronnie,

    I definitely have to miss the Calf Call today and I'm very unhappy about that! I can sit upright for a few hours to get some work done, and then I have to lie down for hours shivering under a blanket. This is a nasty cold.

    There is no way that I could survive the 3 hours of driving I would have to do to get to/from the Calf Call. I wish it was closer but I think everybody else attending is from LA/OC.


  393. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Good morning Whitey... and another All-Hawaiian sunrise to all those who may be feelin' a bit Tsai-ko this morning.


  394. Garret:

    I think that it is a GREAT idea to try out Pilares as punt returner. He's so quick and dangerous in the open field that he could do some damage for UH. It would also enhance his NFL chances to have some punt returning experience.


  395. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Garret ~ Take care my friend. You need your good health.

    Onipa'a!


  396. Pomai:

    Garret if BSu would play in a bowl game for the national title would the payout be the same 3 million or would it be more?


  397. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Why don't we...


  398. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Make it...


  399. Kekoa (iPhone):

    Rollover to...


  400. rage777:

    I'm not so sure about the exit fees for FSU and Nevada. Why even charge them if they are going to stay for the 2011-2012 season? Isn't it just like saying they have declared their intention before July 1, 2011 and want to leave on June 30, 2012? BSU declared before July 1, 2010 and will leave on June 30, 2011 and they don't pay an exit fee (just their share of money). I can understand if we get money if they leave only football and take other sports to MWC before June 30, 2011, but not if they don't leave any sports before then. I understand they made the loyalty pledge, but I am not sure how it's worded so I can't really say anything about it. Did the pledge say that nobody can leave ever, or just not within a time span of a year or two years?


  401. Kekoa (iPhone):

    ...to 400!


  402. rage777:

    Oops, I broke your streak.


  403. Kekoa (iPhone):

    (tanks rage777!)


  404. 808ike:

    Good morning .


  405. Michigan Warrior:

    #389... Garret... I'm hoping Fresno and Reno would be forced to forfeit their WAC Paychecks as part of this settlement, since it seems they will be paying less than Boise to leave. Of course, I've been hoping to hit this lottery or Powerball so we can help pay for some stuff at UH too... and we see how lucky we've been with that so far!


  406. Michigan Warrior:

    Sorry I haven't been participating as much lately. Three of our kids had some bad kimbab from a store two days ago. So, I've been stuck dealing with the aftermath of cleaning up, keeping them hydrated, keeping their fever down, etc. Good thing not everyone ate that stuff!

    Gratz, Cliff, on 18 super years of giving and spreading aloha!


  407. mctruck:

    How I wish that if so, this exit package includes Benson. What a snake!!!


  408. rage777:

    Looks like FSU and Nevada are paying $900k and all sports staying until 2012.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/10/fresno-state-nevada-must-wait-until-2012-to-leave-wac-for-mountain-west/1


  409. 808ike:

    Pomai,

    41-Warriors
    20-Jailbirds


  410. Garret:

    Pomai,

    All BCS bowl games pay the same, including the national title game.


  411. HawaiiMongoose:

    The WAC website confirms that Fresno State and Nevada will each pay $900,000.

    As previously reported, they will also keep all of their teams in the WAC until the end of the 2011-2012 season. Complete terms and conditions of the agreement are here:

    http://www.wacsports.com/ViewA...DB_OEM_ID=10100

    All parties are released from all claims. So, there will be no further legal action, including no lawsuit against Welty or Glick or anyone else.


  412. Garret:

    Isn't it just like saying they have declared their intention before July 1, 2011 and want to leave on June 30, 2012?

    Good find by rage777!

    $900k in 5 installments...that is a lot less than $5 million. *Any* school leaving the WAC has to pay an exit fee (which really is just the withholding of conference revenue), so rage777 is correct that it appears that the WAC is treating Fresno/Nevada as if they provided notice before July 1, 2011 to leave on June 30, 2012.

    As I said earlier, it appears that the WAC is completely going to ignore the loyalty pledge and *no* money will be collected for it. The WAC is just enforcing its bylaws for the departure notification deadline.


  413. Garret:

    HawaiiMongoose's link didn't work for me, but I found the article here:

    http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205019858&DB_OEM_ID=10100


  414. HawaiiMongoose:

    Sorry, the full link didn't copy. Try this:

    http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205019858&DB_OEM_ID=10100


  415. Garret:

    Reading through the settlement, some interesting tidbits:

    1. Fresno State and Nevada do *not* need to admit that they did anything wrong.

    2. Fresno State and Nevada receive their FULL SHARES of WAC conference revenue for the 2010-2011 academic year. That means they get full shares from what BSU is leaving behind (the $1 million BSU isn't taking and the $3 million from the BCS if BSU makes a BCS bowl).

    3. Fresno State and Nevada have to be treated like any other WAC team until June 30, 2012...so, no taking home games away from then or any other punishment.

    4. Fresno State and Nevada, and all of their employees, cannot be sued by the WAC.

    5. The WAC pays its own lawyer fees...which will probably reduce the payout by some number.


  416. protector:

    gigi-hawaii on #316,

    I've been saying the same thing to friend's about Alex's mom. Good news if she's confirmed for the Boise state game as Alex has scored 3 then 4 TDs. Hopefully, he'll score 5 against Boise to continue the mathematical progression/pattern.


  417. HawaiiMongoose:

    Karl Benson just stated in the press conference that new additions to the WAC will be announced within the next 30 days.


  418. rage777:

    Garret,

    I thought it said that the prevailing party gets some money for lawyer fees? Isn't the WAC the prevailing party since they are the ones getting money? Or since this is an agreement between both parties, they each have to pay their own fees? This is why I hate these lawyer type documents, it's so confusing to non-laywers.

    FSU and Nevada still have to give up their money for the 2011-2012 season, so UH needs to go to a BCS game next year so we don't have to split the money with them and get a bigger share. We also need for all the WAC teams to go deep into the NCAA basketball tournment in the 2011-2012 season.


  419. rage777:

    Oops, never mind about that lawyer fee stuff. I just saw the paragraph just below that stated they have to pay their own lawyer fees. What was up with paragraph 18 and 20 conflicting each other.


  420. Garret:

    rage777,

    There is *no* winner declared in the settlement. I'll try to make this not confusing...here are the exact words in the agreement that are relevant to your question:

    Dismissal of Suit: Upon the execution of this Agreement by all PARTIES, the WAC shall cause the Complaint in its entirety to be dismissed with prejudice, each Party to bear its own attorneys’ fees and costs.


  421. rage777:

    Another thought, why doesn't the WAC get out of Colorado since we don't have any teams there anymore. But then again, with Karl as our commisioner, the office would be moving every 5 years because of people leaving the conference.


  422. Michigan Warrior:

    Now, we need for UH, LaTech, Utah State, and maybe Idaho to finish in the top of the WAC next year. Would be even better if SJSU and NMSU could beat Fresno AND Reno, and send them to the MWC as our doormats!


  423. Garret:

    18 and 20 don't conflict. 18 says that if either side breaks the agreement, then the losing side of the lawsuit filed will pay the lawyer fees for the other side.

    For example, if the WAC tried to change the home/road schedule for Fresno/Nevada and give them less home games, that would trigger a lawsuit and the WAC could end up paying the lawyer fees for both sides.


  424. Garret:

    rage777,

    Benson is happy living in Colorado. The WAC Presidents seem to be happy with Benson. Looks like the WAC offices will stay in Colorado...


  425. Michigan Warrior:

    Or, at least move the WAC offices to Vegas. It's an easy city for everyone to fly into, hotels and food is cheap, etc.


  426. rage777:

    I should stop browsing the WAC website, because now I don't understand why we have Sports Affiliates in Washington (where we have no teams) but not in New Mexico (where we actually have a team).


  427. protector:

    rage777,

    Hopefully the WAC-stabbers will absorb the court costs since they were the cause of the litigation. As for the Wahine and Warrior Basketball teams, I would be happy if they make it to the NCAA tournament. That's another step in "righting the ship" and regaining attractiveness. If they can't make it to the NCAA, I'd settle for the NIT; at this point beggars can't be choosers.


  428. 808ike:

    Garret #153,

    Your game plan to LizK has my vote. Don't have any faith in the lame commish.


  429. HawaiiMongoose:

    Per Benson, dialogue is continuing with the same five schools as before about joining the WAC (Texas State, UTSA, Montana, Denver and Seattle).

    There's still further review and evaluation as to whether on-campus visits are needed before making decisions. If the conference members think they have enough information to decide, they'll pass on on-campus visits.


  430. Garret:

    So, Fresno State and Nevada will play in the WAC in 2010 and 2011. The BCS evaluation period goes from 2010/2011/2012/2013. UH and every other WAC team needs to make sure that 2010 and 2011 don't go well for Fresno State and Nevada...UH did its part this year but the rest of the WAC6 haven't beaten either team yet.


  431. 808ike:

    rage777,

    Ask BHF2 for translation.


  432. Garret:

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