Moniz wins WAC honor

September 26th, 2011
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As expected, Bryant Moniz has been named the WAC's Offensive Player of the Week.

Playing only the first half of a 56-14 bashing of UC Davis, Moniz threw seven TD passes — setting a UH record  for a half and tying an NCAA mark — and amassed 424 passing yards, eighth highest in the nation this season.

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Happy birthday to UHFan808.

2,247 Responses to “Moniz wins WAC honor”

  1. LizKauai (iPad):

    Congrats, Bryant!


  2. LizKauai (iPad):

    What about Defense?

    Go Warriors!


  3. Stephen Tsai:

    Brown won for defense ... only it was Brown from Fresno State.


  4. Dennis Halloran:

    Monday tastes a lot better this week
    Watching game late night brought back Timmy and Colt flashes


  5. LizKauai (iPad):

    Happy Birthday, UHfan808!

    Oh well, congrats to Brown.


  6. d1shima:

    Great Morning All!

    Top X!

    Congratulations QB1!


  7. hilorain:

    Top 10? Any significant injuries from the Davis game?


  8. Stephen Tsai:

    d1
    I miss that show.


  9. d1shima:

    Happy Birthday UHFan808!

    Nice seeing you at the TsaikoGate!


  10. Stephen Tsai:

    hilorain:
    Checking on George Daily-Lyles and Geordon Hanohano.


  11. d1shima:

    :-(


  12. d1shima:

    Clear eyes, Full hearts...


  13. Stephen Tsai:

    Well, UH will be in Texas this week ...


  14. d1shima:

    Is Upper Campus looking for more "savings" or is the issue how Mack wants the $ distributed?


  15. d1shima:

    Pretty big handicap in recruiting. It'll be hard to imagine that any recruiting visits during the rest of the season will be very worthwhile.


  16. Stephen Tsai:

    d1:
    I think they want the "savings."
    If McMackin offered to cut his salary to $500,000, I don't think that $600,000 gets recirculated. I think it disappears.


  17. letsgowarriors:

    wats the schedule for the week?


  18. Stephen Tsai:

    Letsgo:
    Monday — Walk-through at 430
    Tuesday — Meeting at 7, practice at 8
    Wednesday — Practice 7-9, then leave for Houston.
    Thursday — Practice Thursday evening in Houston
    Friday — Travel to Monroe, walk-thru in the afteroon.


  19. letsgowarriors:

    thanks.

    btw. when is recruiting gonna pick up? i was hoping to get some in-season verbals.


  20. Stephen Tsai:

    If he's not the guy, then buy him out now and name a successor already.
    Because if he is your guy still, then by waiting until at least January, you've hurt recruiting for no reason.
    It's like the scenario of staying on the mainland to save $90,000. I'm sure it cost UH more than that in lost potential revenue for the UC Davis game.


  21. Stephen Tsai:

    Letsgo:
    They've had some interesting near misses, including a linebacker from a BCS school.


  22. letsgowarriors:

    was the LB from OU?


  23. Stephen Tsai:

    You're missing a letter.


  24. jm2375:

    Good morning Tsaikos!!
    Happy Monday?

    GO WARRIORS!
    GO WAHINE!

    GO REDSKINS!! Scalp dem Cowgurls! HTTR!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhT46ZQzZzc


  25. Stretch:

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    Happy Birthday UHFan808!!

    #20 - good idea!!


  26. Stephen Tsai:

    Well, two letters if the first initial stands for "The."


  27. letsgowarriors:

    interesting, well delete my comments. i dont want to get in trouble. thanks.


  28. jm2375:

    Happy Birthday UHfan808!! Hope you have a great one today!!


  29. A-joe:

    Look her- she all grown up! Hau'oli la Hanau, UHfan808!!

    Play nicely now, k?

    Be good.

    Do good.

    =)


  30. Wes'side Warrior:

    Howzit, everyone!

    Gratz to Moniz!

    Happy birthday, UHFan808!

    Go, Warriors! Huge game ahead!


  31. Couch potato:

    also, congrats to Kanani for getting the WAC POW award.


  32. AlaWai:

    ST: Are coaches permitted to fly ahead of a team and recruit in Texas and LA?


  33. tom mui:

    GOOD MORNING HAWAII! It's always good when we win.

    Happy Birthday UHFan808!!


  34. βρεω808:

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  36. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Good Morning Gangeez! :)

    Happy Birthday to UHFan808!

    Good for Moniz. Finish!


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  38. UHfan808:

    --- 2011 Tsai-ko TV-gates Schedule & Annual Tsai-ko Christmas Party ---

    Come join TsomeTsai-kos to cheer on our traveling Warriors; wrap up the season with our annual Christmas get-together!

    9/10 @ Washington, 9:30am HST – Ige’s Restaurant and 19th Puka (game pau)
    9/17 @ UNLV, 4pm HST – Café Anasia (game pau)
    10/1 @ LaTech, 1 pm HST – Pinky’s Pupu Bar & Grill
    10/14 @ SJSU, 3pm HST – Café Anasia
    10/29 @ Idaho, 11am HST – Lisa’s House
    11/12 @ Nevada, 11am HST – Lisa’s House
    12/10 Annual Tsai-ko Christmas Party, 5:30pm @ Murphy’s Bar & Grill

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  39. UHfan808:

    --- UH vs LaTech Tsai-ko TV-gate Announcement ---

    Not traveling with the team but wanna watch the game with fellow WarriorNation fans?

    Come join TsomeTsai-kos and cheer on the Warriors!

    This week we head on over to the Windward side; details below –

    Date: This Saturday, October 1, 2011
    Time/Instructions: Game starts at 1pm HST; lots of parking; doors open at 12:30pm
    Location: Pinky’s Pupu Bar & Grill (ph: 254-6255)
    Address: 970 N. Kalaheo Avenue, Kailua, HI 96734, across Aikahi Shopping Center (get directions at http://maps.google.com/)
    Parking: There is an office building separating the two parking lots, but either walk around the building or through the courtyard to get to the restaurant.
    Food: Order from menu

    RSVP – Please send email to [tsaikotvgate (at) gmail (dot) com] with the number in your party so we may have the correct number of seats held for you. If you need additional directions, let me know that too and I’ll forward w-doc’s information to you. (Thank you again for your assistance, Wassupdoc!)

    ..
    Bring your voices and See you there!

    :mrgreen: GO WARRIORS!!! :mrgreen: SPANK THOSE DAWGS!?! :mrgreen:


  40. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Hey brew! Howzit Tom! Aloha Ala Wai and couch potato!


  41. tom mui:

    DPK - you going to the Na Koa lunch today?


  42. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Watched the La Tech - Mississippi game after the Coach Mack Show last night. That young La Tech QB is a wonder. Warriors need to bring their best to Ruston.

    After seeing the Mack Show, I remembered what impressed me about Jackson's catch and run early on. It was the way he ran over that one defender. The guy hit Jackson with a hard, clean, one-on-one shot and bounced to the ground. Jackson just kept rolling to the end zone. Reminded me of the way A. Green, Nasti and Regan just kept blowin' defenders up in seasons past.


  43. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Tom -

    I have a deadline and a phone conference today. Maybe next week? Are you going today?


  44. UHfan808:

    Good morning Tsai-kos!

    From the wee early hours of the morning on yesterday's blog, thank you for the birthday wishes, Brew808, Hiflyer, wafan, papajoe2, gmahoney, and A-joe!

    And from early this morning too, thank you for the birthday greetings, midori7, ST, LizKauai, d1shima, Stretch, jmxxxx, heehee A-joe, Wes'side Warrior, tom mui, Da Punchbowl Kid, and wow neato again Brew808!

    You're all so nice! I'm gonna have a simply divinely terrific day now! :smile:


  45. RedZone:

    I agree with ST. Manoa machinations.


  46. UHfan808:

    ST - Forgot to say, thank you for all the GREAT pictures you've been posting! Loved the special teams story and pic! GO ST!!!


  47. UHfan808:

    Congrats to Bryant Moniz for your terrific efforts and another WAC award! cheehooo, you go MO!!!


  48. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Dea her! Howzit UHfan808! Hope you have an awesome birtday!


  49. UHfan808:

    Yesterday's 206 - Liz, will you be here to join us for any of them?


  50. UHfan808:

    Hiflyer - Drats! I shoulda given you the salmon that night! Thank you for being the conscientious grill-masta!


  51. UHfan808:

    Yesterday's 212 - wafan - ohhhhh, missed all of you in LV! :sad: hopefully can next time!

    But what I wanna know is -- Did you have tons of supa fun??? :wink:


  52. UHfan808:

    Yesterday's 206 & 215 - LizKauai/gmahoney -

    You're welcome! It's coordination and Tsome-much planning discussion and/or reservations assistance in TsomeTsaikoOrder between IWWTHM (who actually jumped started it this year), J(J), Koakane, GangGreen, Mr. and Mrs. C, Prideperiod, and Wassupdoc.

    Thank yous and kudos to them for all of their input and help in being such great resources! :smile: :smile: :smile:


  53. UHfan808:

    DPK - Oh hey, there you too! Whoohoo, Have a wonderful day too, dude!


  54. UHfan808:

    K, gotta chop chop run now.

    Have a spectacular day, everyone!

    GO WARRIORS!!! :mrgreen:


  55. polywarrior4life:

    Congrats Moniz!!!

    Warriors Baby!!!!


  56. tom mui:

    DPK #43 - gametime decision! I got a camera club thing tonight - got my DVP set for "Hawaii 5-0" so it's gametime.

    I will be at the 10/03 one though - there is a lecture at 9:15 prior to the lunch dealing with gift giving by the UHF.


  57. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    tom -

    Cool. We'll shoot for that one maybe.


  58. Slugger:

    Good morning, gang!

    Hau'oli la hanau, UHFan808!!! Have a wonderful day!

    Congrats to Mo!


  59. Ipu Man:

    LaTech has an Offensive Lineman 315 pounds from Ruston, LA,
    named Stephen Warner...
    Also a 6'6" guy 350lbs, Oscar Johnson and a 340-pounder
    Defensive Lineman, Justin Ellis and a bunch more:
    http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/2348/louisiana-tech-bulldogs
    Hope their running backs are skinny.


  60. Garret:

    If he's not the guy, then buy him out now and name a successor already.
    Because if he is your guy still, then by waiting until at least January, you've hurt recruiting for no reason.

    This is a great point by ST. I saw the article by Ferd about how Mack wanted $900k but UH wanted the salary to be something like $600k. Today's article seems to indicate that Mack is now asking for $850k ($250k cut from $1.1 mil) but UH rejected that.

    If Upper Campus wants to wait until at least January to seriously negotiate, they are willing to throw away an ENTIRE recruiting class for UH. That will significantly hamper *any* coach at UH, whether that is Mack or someone else they want to hire. What recruit with options is going to commit to UH when he doesn't know who will be the head coach when he shows up?

    So, UH might save some money by dragging this out and getting Mack to lower his salary request, but the future success (and $$$) that UH gets will be hurt by UH flushing the 2012 recruiting class away. UH should speed up the negotiation process and resolve this already!

    Of course, there are 2 practical reasons why UH won't take ST's advice:

    1. The flawed contract that Hinshaw gave Mack doesn't have a buyout clause. UH probably doesn't want to eat the $1.1 mil for next year and whatever prorated portion is left for this year. New Mexico and Colorado are good examples of what happens when Universities are too cheap to buyout coaches that they plan to get rid of...New Mexico got lucky with the "recruit" getting a DUI while driving the head coach's car so they may not have to eat the rest of the contract.

    2. The Warriors performed too well last season for UH to buy out Mack without a big PR disaster. The Warriors should still win 9+ games this season, so they cannot just try to get the public to accept that he costs too much when he's agreed to take a pay cut from his current (way over market value) contract.


  61. Garret:

    It's like the scenario of staying on the mainland to save $90,000. I'm sure it cost UH more than that in lost potential revenue for the UC Davis game.

    I agree that the UNLV lost cost UH much more than the extra $90k in travel expenses.

    However, the Star-Advertiser reported that JD tried to arrange for the Warriors to come back to Hawaii after the U-Dub game, but there weren't enough seats available on flights at that time. So, UH actually decided to spend the money...but decided too late to do so.

    Waiting too long to spend the money may actually end up being a good analogy for Mack's contract negotiations, since UH might agree to financial terms next year that they could have gotten now...and by waiting they would throw away an entire recruiting class that would hurt the UH program (and UHAD's revenues) for the next 4-5 years.


  62. Garret:

    "UNLV lost" should be "UNLV loss"


  63. Garret:

    Congratulations to Bryant Moniz. He was definitely deserving of his award!


  64. Garret:

    Happy Birthday UHFan808!


  65. Stephen Tsai:

    Ala Wai:
    Yes, coaches can fly ahead.
    I suspect some coaches will be scouting Texas games Friday night.


  66. madeinhawaii:

    Happy Birthday UHFan808!

    Morning Warrior Fans young and old... in between, too!


  67. Old Diver:

    ST,

    Is Jim Donovan just an innocent bystander in the Coach Mack contract extension talks? After four years of recruiting for this system, bringing in a new head coach with a different system seems foolish. Is the school administration going to hardball themselves into taking two steps backwards? I believe Mack is not without any leverage. His leverage is certainty for the program and a steady climb upwards. His leverage is this is not a stepping stone type job for him. Hammer this out during the bye week. Recruiting the life blood of any program is a year around process. We can't afford a misstep in this process.


  68. madeinhawaii:

    If the money isn't going back to the athletic department then Mack's contract should be renewed as is... I mean, that way he can continue to buy dinners for his crew, yah? Keep his co-workers happy... Make our program look like it's committed to raising the bar starting with our coaching salary and coaching caliber, facilities, etc.


  69. izzy:

    RE: Lost potential revenue

    When I was in Texas, one of the favorite sayings I heard often was, "Penny wise, pound foolish." Does UH have anyone (on the negotiation team) that looks past the nose on their face?


  70. Old Diver:

    #60,61

    Damn it Garret,

    Your common sense reasoning is reason enough for the administration to go in another direction.


  71. Old Diver:

    Oops, did I use a bad word?


  72. Garret:

    Looks like the MWC's commissioner is publicly stating that they will not keep Air Force's nonrevenue sports if Air Force joins the Big East for football-only. That sure sounds like an indication that Air Force to the Big East for football-only is well past the rumor stage.

    Thompson also told me the possibility of Air Force taking football to Big East and keeping other sports in MWC was "not happening."

    http://twitter.com/#!/DanWolken


  73. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #69,

    good saying, but UH doesn't even have a penny to be wise about to begin with. they can't look past their nose because they don't have money to buy glasses. funny, but its the truth. u can say future future future till the cows come home and aunt mable is blue in the face...but if you don't got money right now then you got bigger issues to deal with than just the future.


  74. Garret:

    The MWC and CUSA are going to discuss their merger today...the MWC's commissioner is publicly talking about that now so it is way beyond the rumor stage. Normally things aren't admitted publicly unless negotiations are well along.

    Chatted with Craig Thompson here at Div 1 meetings in Dallas. He said MWC and C-USA ADs will have dinner tonight to further convo on merger


  75. (Jesse) James:

    Good morning Tsaikos.....

    Woo Hoo...good Monday morning.

    Happy Birthday UHFAN808....and many more...

    Congrats to Moniz.


  76. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #72,

    Good. They would be stupid to let AF keep their sports in.

    It's all or nothing.


  77. Garret:

    This must be an interesting gathering considering all the realignment stuff going on...

    Every Div. 1 athletic director is now in the same room. I'm sure they don't have much to talk about


  78. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    If you had enough Pecked Off boosters, you could probably get about 1/2 the buyout amount.

    However I don't think boosters have any issue with Mack.

    I used the word pecked...gigidy


  79. NaKoaMike:

    Photos of the UC Davis games are up.

    http://www.nakoa.org/2011/09/uh-vs-uc-davis-game-photos/


  80. Garret:

    iwonderwhytheyhateme,

    My guess is that the WAC would take Air Force's nonrevenue sports. Part of that would be to hurt the MWC and part of that is that the WAC might want the Air Force following for the next TV deal.

    It is also possible that the Big East ups their offer to a full membership, just like how TCU went from football-only to getting a full membership offer from the Big East.


  81. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #77,

    AD #1: Hello
    AD #2: Oh, Hi.
    AD #1: Did you try the finger sandwiches?
    AD #2: Yep.
    AD #1: Any good?
    AD #2: Yeah pretty good. A bit heavy on the mustard.
    AD #1: Oh, I like mustard.
    AD #2: Heh...


  82. Bryson:

    Very disheartening to hear Mac's contract talks have been put off till the end of the season,I had hope the powers that be would have learned from the last contract negotiation fiasco apparently not....


  83. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #80,

    I don't think the WAC would take their non-FB sports. However there's a better chance of that happening than Big East giving a full invite.

    I know Big East WANTS to save its football program. But I think they are going to have to deal with the reality that they are a basketball program.

    Once, not if the ACC scoops their TRI-State (NYMetro are) schools, they will become radioactive. Not even their mothers are going to want to touch them.

    Maybe they can poach some Ivy League schools. You know, those traditional football rivalries like Princeton vs. Cincinnati and Cornell vs. Louisville. Lol


  84. Haleakala:

    In college football, (coaching speculations, conference alignments, recruiting, etc), as in life today with the economy in flux, changes in social interaction and in politics, one never knows what will happen until it does happen. Then there will be changes once again.


  85. d1shima:

    BC mentioned that "some in the Administration" think Mack's position is a $600k/yr job. Also saying that the two road losses put the negotiations into a stall.

    Well now the team is 2-2 with 9 to go. Winning 5 means going Bowling for Christmas again.

    If all can agree that's the minimum qualification for "success" then make the negotiation$ start there...

    5 wins. 7-6 record.....$600k salary
    6 wins......$650k salary
    7 wins......$700k salary
    8 wins......$750k salary
    9 wins. 11-2 record....$800k salary

    On the flip side...

    should 5 wins become impossible at any point then the calls for forming the Search Committee start going out.


  86. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    I can't imagine that UHAD/UH/Boosters want someone different leading the program at this time.

    I am hoping they can seal this deal by the 2nd/3rd game in the WAC schedule.


  87. letsgowarriors:

    i think we should NOT extend mack and go in a different direction. how to do that without hampering any recruiting classes is the big question.


  88. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Lets just ask T. Boone Pickens or Mark Cuban what we should do.


  89. madeinhawaii:

    letsgowarriors..

    "different direction" as in backwards?


  90. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    d1,

    that looks like a good structure to me.


  91. huh:

    iwonderwhytheyhateme:
    September 26th, 2011 at 9:13 am
    I can't imagine that UHAD/UH/Boosters want someone different leading the program at this time.

    imagine it, it's reality


  92. Garret:

    i think we should NOT extend mack and go in a different direction. how to do that without hampering any recruiting classes is the big question.

    This is not possible. There is no way to plan to replace Mack without buying out his contract without killing recruiting classes. If the UH Admin waits until the end of the contract, that will kill both the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes. If they wait until after this football season (as apparently is the plan) they are throwing away at least the 2012 recruiting class.

    Note that schools are already finishing up their 2012 recruiting classes and some 2013 recruits have already given their commits. All schools recruiting against UH will point out that Mack's contract expires after next season and UH is publicly saying that they have no agreement with Mack to keep him around after that.


  93. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #89,

    I'm going to assume he meant forward. lol


  94. Bryson:

    Now's the time to back Mack I'm willing to donate $500 towards his salary,We as a program cannot afford to go backwards with so much invested getting into the MWC,If we lose in the MWC the fan base like usual will dissapear leaving the program to pick up the slack for travel subsidies,How long can Hawaii sustain a possible loss in revenue if this were to happen?


  95. d1shima:

    UHFan808,

    I won't be here for the 11/12 get-together but maybe one thing to keep in mind is that APEC is happening that weekend and the farther away everyone can get from the H-1 corridor between Waikiki and Ko Olina the better. JMO.


  96. Bryson:

    all I can say is if we aren't successful in the MWC then FCS here we come...or worse no football program...Whatever happened to the Govenor being a supporter of UH athletics? Oh wait it was a campaign year and what better place to shake hands and kiss babies than at a tailgate...


  97. Hawaiianbod:

    g'morning all!

    Happy Birthday UHFan808!

    congrads Moniz!

    healing prayers to Mr Kymry and those Warriors in need.


  98. letsgowarriors:

    im willing to donate to buy mack out!


  99. Stretch:

    #95 d1 - good idea. everyone is welcome to join me watching the game at Mackay Stadium. Trying my best to get FAR away


  100. LizKauai:

    UHfan808- gotta save the kala... But will be attending first T-Gate and game vs NMSU. Missing Utah State but attending Fresno, Tulane and BYU games. Luckily locked in those flights before my pay cut!

    letsgowarriors - I think UH SHOULD lock in the contracts of Coach Mack AND ASSISTANTS for at least 2 more years. It would be foolish to jump off the train as it crosses a bridge...


  101. Garret:

    Once, not if the ACC scoops their TRI-State (NYMetro are) schools, they will become radioactive. Not even their mothers are going to want to touch them.

    Maybe they can poach some Ivy League schools. You know, those traditional football rivalries like Princeton vs. Cincinnati and Cornell vs. Louisville. Lol

    It is funny to try to laugh at the Big East, but we should look at the facts:

    1. The Big East already turned down more than $1 bil from ESPN. Their current contract pays many times more than what any non-AQ conference gets and their new contract will give them a raise.

    2. The Big East will keep its AQ status until at least 2014. That will put them above ANY non-AQ conference...AQ status and regular season TV money means they get to pick from a pretty big pool of schools.

    3. East Carolina has publicly applied to the Big East. UCF is the CUSA champion but is publicly hoping for a Big East invitation. SMU and Houston *rejected* the MWC's interest at least twice recently and are clearly hoping for a Big East invitation.

    In other words, the Big East can get the academies and top CUSA schools and keep AQ status. If they invite SMU and Houston to go along with TCU, they will possibly even strengthen their TV contract.

    If the Big East is raided as rumored but adds SMU/Houston/Air Force/Navy, their BCS points will actually be *higher* than the MWC. If the add SMU/Houston/Navy/UCF, their BCS points will actually be *higher* than the MWC.

    So, the facts put the Big East above the MWC. That means they have the power to poach MWC teams and CUSA teams if they want. I do *not* want that.


  102. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #87,

    It is possible but not probable.

    Boosters probably have to pony up half the contract amount. Then we have to get Tony Dungy to take the job at $800,000 a year. THAT is how you do it.

    I am sure you know which part is the possible part right? :-P


  103. koakane:

    morning all

    happy bday uhfan808 and ditto d1 suggestion regarding APEC conf

    d1 #85 nice


  104. LizKauai:

    Thanks, bod - also, prayers for Barbie Ho - (Keahi Tucker's wife) fighting leukemia...


  105. HawaiiMongoose:

    Garret, thank you for the conference realignment related posts. Aside from the fact that it's interesting to watch the process unfold (kind of in the same way that it's interesting to watch a building demolition in slow motion), there will almost certainly be ripple-down effects that will either help or hurt UH.

    As for Air Force joining the Big East, if it happens even for football only it will be a testament to how the BCS system and conference TV money have warped conference membership decision making to the point of absurdity.


  106. Don Weir:

    UH fan 808
    Happy Birthday on behalf of the UH Letterwinners Club and especially from all of us who are former football players.


  107. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #101,

    Sorry but I doubt Navy and AF are going there. Again, Big LEast isn't going to have a FB conference when this is done.

    You seem to think the Big LEast is going to survive this, I say it's not. If the Big LEast is in such a GREAT position then Pitt an Syracuse can still renig on their ACC invite. UCONN and Rutgers should come out and say they are committed to the Big East. Then the Big LEast should implement the exit clause like the ACC while holding hands singing we are the world. But guess what, its not happening.

    The ONLY fact that matters is that schools are looking to get the heck out of there right now.

    I will continue to lmao at the Big LEast....or whatever is left of it when this is all done.


  108. Couch potato:

    i agree contract negotiations should not wait. that being said i don't think coach Mack's salary should be in excess of 1 mil. too often he speaks of mistakes that are correctable, too often is the team consistently inconsistent. this goes back since his first year of taking over the reigns.

    "correctable mistakes", now that is an understatement. would be funny if a coach says, "yeah, we made mistakes but we ain't gonna correct them."


  109. Bryson:

    I agree given the current financial status of the state that we prolly can't afford to pay Mack at the same rate...but think about this who was the coach involved in Hawaii winning 3 WAC championships? I would say he is worth 700k-800k also he was willing to take a pay cut so his assistants could get paid more...


  110. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    If adding those schools would automatically make their BCS numbers higher than the MWC, they should go ahead and add them today.

    Why wait? Big LEast trying to poach the Big 12? SEC? NFL?

    I mean the writing is on the wall. What are they waiting for?


  111. Don Weir:

    Questions to ask
    1. What is the 5 and 10 year plan for UH football in terms of UH Manoa's general plan for athletics?
    2. If there is a plan is it well defined to coaches, admin staff, fans, general community?
    3. Is the run and shoot a viable package in comparison to other Div 1 schools, especially those in the Mountain West?
    4. What are th recruiting needs (resources) needed to not only compete in the Mountain West but to win the conference? Win a major bowl game?
    5. How are we making the UH Football experience inclusive for all of the former players/graduates/fans on the mainland?? How are we making these identified groups part of the resources Warrior Football may count on for support in the future?


  112. Garret:

    The ONLY fact that matters is that schools are looking to get the heck out of there right now.

    Conference strength:

    Big 10
    SEC
    Pac-12

    ACC
    Big 12

    Big East

    MWC
    CUSA

    WAC
    MAC
    Sun Belt

    The FACT is that the Big East teams are being found attractive enough for the top conferences. This is similar to the Pac-12 taking Utah and the Big East taking TCU. Did losing those teams mean that the MWC was done? Ponder that.

    The FACT is that any MWC or CUSA school would happily accept an invitation to the ACC, SEC, Big 10, Pac-12, or Big 12. Do you deny that? The FACT is that only the Big East schools are being found attractive enough to move up right now as is rumored, which shows the value of teams in that conference.

    The FACT is that Navy's head of Athletics just said last week that they cannot remain indy much longer and they are looking to join a conference. And they are apparently only talking with the Big East.

    The FACT is that East Carolina just applied for the Big East, an example of how they are still considered a step up from a non-AQ conference.

    The FACT is that Big East schools all agreed to a $5 mil buyout and a *27-month* notification requirement. So, the Big East isn't going away anytime soon. That gives them more than enough time to rebuild if they are raided.

    The FACT is that the Big East was raised once before, with the ACC being even more brutal to them than the MWC was to the WAC. And the FACT is that they survived and was #2 in BCS points just 3 years ago.

    So, you can LYAO all you want...but the facts you are relying on don't seem so strong to me.


  113. Couch potato:

    Wahine remain at #11 in the latest AVCA poll.


  114. Garret:

    I mean the writing is on the wall. What are they waiting for?

    There is a 27-month exit clause that all Big East teams have agreed to. When conferences like the ACC look to take Big East teams they agree to wait several years for the transfer of teams. *No* other conference has such a long exit clause.

    Given that fact, what is the hurry for the Big East?


  115. Garret:

    Also, the Big East does *not* need to get more BCS points than the MWC right now. The current evaluation is only for non-AQ conferences.

    The Big East can afford to wait 1-2 years and then add teams. They will still have AQ status and will see what schools have the BCS points then. Any CUSA schools like Houston or SMU will be available to them then.


  116. Couch potato:

    Bryson, Rich Miano and George Lumpkin to name a couple.


  117. Kevin:

    Don Weir,

    I think before those questions get answered or even asked, the one question that must come before them all is:

    How does the university view investing into UH athletics as a whole in relation to their goals for making UH Manoa and the UH system the true "Gateway to the Pacific"?

    Attitude will make a big difference in being pro-active instead of being re-active.


  118. (Jesse) James:

    #85 D1...Nice

    #111 Don Weir...Good questions. UH has got to find a way to get in touch with and secure/expand their fan base both at home and on the mainland. They need to,as you've said, "...make the UH Football experience inclusive for all of the former players/graduates/fans on the mainland..." If they are able to do that and drum up that kind of support, they can get a viable funding source out of that. I mean, I am of the belief that every little bit helps. No matter if it's a $5 donation or $1,000 donation. I mean, sure, it would be nice to have a $200 million donation from someone like T. Boone Pickens....but we aren't going to get that so....at least not in the near future.

    Just like we've done in the past, the Tsaikos will continue to support the athletic programs. If our small group can do what we've done for UHAD, think if everyone chipped in fans/former players/students/alumni/community and worked together, it would be a good thing and everyone would feel invested in the University. The question is, how do we do that? Does Na Koa have any ideas on building fan support both at home and on the mainland??? Just curious. Thanks.


  119. Don Weir:

    Kevin,
    I agree. That gets us back to a UH Manoa comprehensive plan that is identifies the true role of Athletics: one that is communicated to the entire community.

    Best wishes to all compteting Warriors as I leave for a flight in an hour and then on to Baja.


  120. Pomai:

    #111 - Don - there you go talking common sense, when it comes to upper campus common sense goes out the window, IMHO when upper campus looks at athletics all it sees is a waste of money that could be going to the academics salaries, everyone knows that athletics shouldn't be part of the college.


  121. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    "FACT": If TV money is driving this and the Big LEast TV contract is coming up and supposedly turned $1B from ESPN, why do teams feel they need to leave? If SMU/Houston would ADD to their TV deal, why not add them before the new TV contracts are going to be done in 2013?

    "FACT": Navy said they are TALKING to the Big East but that they need to get their house in order before they would make any move. That doesn't sound like a deal to me.

    "FACT": When you have more than ONE school from CUSA applying for the Big LEast I will consider that all non=aq schools see the Big LEast as a step up. When you need to drive a car, a camry is worth more than a bentley without an engine.

    "FACT": Nevada and Fresno are going to be paying the WAC some BIG money! Oh thats weird...wheres that money they owe us per. the exit clause? How ironclad do you think the exit clause is?

    "FACT": The last raid didn't destroy the Tri-State area aka TV Bacon. This is NOT The same conference shake up like last time.

    So yes, I will continue to lmao.


  122. A-joe:

    Being either AQ qualified or not has absolutely nothing to do with how much money is made. AQ is another fictitious smoke and mirror tier set up to justify the gap between the haves and have nots. Be honest, if the MWC was suddenly AQ'd tomorrow, is ESPN or any other network required to shell out the millions, if not billions?

    Nope!

    The TRUE FACT is pure simple: Demographics.

    No matter how good the brand of football is played in the MWC or how qualified we are, there's just not enough eyeballs watching in these regions.

    I promise, if Hawaii were to demonstrate we had over a billion people following UH sports all across Asia, we'd have our own 24 hour ESPN studio in 47 different languages set up in Manoa yesterday. The SEC would be courting us and saying, "Why not! Heck, 'yall part of the United States, right?"

    We have absolutely no control over who goes where. So why worry about it! What should concern everyone is why is Hawaii sitting around letting others control their destiny. Hawaii needs to be proactive. Take control of what they can change for themselves. Plan ahead. Create opportunities and not wait for them to arise!

    Go across Europe and ask any prospective college student if they could study abroad in paradise where would they go? The number 1 answer?

    HPU.

    How? Why? It sure as hell didn't come about from them sitting on their butts waiting for European kids to find them.

    We don't wanna get caught flat footed again. Rockne might not be there to rescue us the next time.


  123. Couch potato:

    do away with NCAA sports and just go intramural. lol

    reinvest state monies into tourism, the military, agriculture, energy, and education. easy Abercrombie. lol


  124. Don Weir:

    #118 (KJesse) James
    Let's see if someone from Na Koa posts a reply.

    #120 Pomai
    At some point we must realize that the 'ggod fight' is to continue to stress to upper campus 'common sense' and that it is only through our continued efforts across all fronts in terms of support for UH Athletics that the message will become very clear.
    Beware of those that are quasi Admin and Athletics!
    Uno, dos, adios!!!


  125. Couch potato:

    um, a Bentley without an engine is worth more than a Camry with an engine.


  126. Pomai:

    Ok this would be my plan if I was calling the shots, 3 year contract extension for Mack at 700,000 with the agreement he retires after the third year, take the left over 300,000 and give the assistants more, I would give Rolo the word that he will take over the Head Coach's job when Mack retires, with a five year contract starting at 400,000 for the first year with incentives for the for the next four capped at 700,000, use the monies between the 400,000 and the million we now spend to find or keep the assistant coaches that he wants.


  127. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #125,

    Not when you need a car to drive bruddah.


  128. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    What is "Lisa's House"? A restaurant? A bar? Someone's residence? What community is it located? What are the nearby highways/freeways or main streets?

    Although APEC officially starts on Sunday evening, November 13, with a reception, the heightened security regulations will be in effect at least five days earlier. I am going through a training to be an Official Observer during mid-October.

    The Wahine will be playing New Mexico State at The Stan on November 12th - it's Senior Night -so plan your travels to UH-Manoa accordingly.

    RE MAC'S CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS: What you read/hear in the media is NOT exactly what is going on. There are informal meet-ups between second-tier negotiators at a variety of locations starting next week - if UH wins at LaTech.

    Money IS a major issue, but the W-L record and the quality of the coaching staff actually outranks $$$$ at this point.


  129. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #125,

    Sorry I should make myself more clear. When you are in the middle of nowhere and you need a car to get out, a camry that drives is worth more than the brand new bentley without an engine.

    Then again I am sure you knew what I meant. :-P


  130. Couch potato:

    i don't think upper campus wants to use the cut in coach Mack's pay to bolster the assistants pay. gimme, gimme, gimme.


  131. Pomai:

    #122 - A-Joe - you hit it brother, could you imagine what would happen if UH say had two or three players starting for the warriors or an ace pitcher on the mound that where from Japan? Maybe a few 6'10" -7'0" guys from China playing for Gib's.


  132. Couch potato:

    lol, when i want to drive i just take my, cheaper than a Bentley, Nissan GT-R for a drive. :lol:


  133. Couch potato:

    Capitol -ist/WassupDoc, it would be easier and faster to get a response if you google "Lisa's house hawaii".


  134. Pomai:

    #130 Couch - upper campus doesn't want to spend any money on athletics period, left up to them we would do away with athletics.

    I think it is time for the powers to be to get off there a$$ an decide if they want to be a mid-major or move on up, time to quit pussyfooting around and make the move.


  135. Couch potato:

    btw, how do you know if you are in the middle of nowhere?


  136. Couch potato:

    Pomai, seems the powers to be want to keep the status quo (in athletics) at a lower price.


  137. madeinhawaii:

    For cut of 1 billions $, I'd be willing to call a cab.... make that a limo.


  138. A-joe:

    This is how you make serious cash! That is, if you've got the balls to do it!!

    How much does an infomercial cost to run at Midnight eastern time? Take that cost, double it, then approach ESPN and PAY them for the time slot!!

    Lock them in for three years!

    Here's the catch-

    We get to secure our own sponsors and keep the revenue!

    It's done all the time in radio. Why not in television.

    It's downtime for ESPN or any station anyway.

    The best thing? ESPN can't pawn off the idea to any other school. No one will be capable nor crazy enough to pull of a midnight Eastern college football game on a consistant bases. Only WE can!!

    That's the kinda "outside the box" thinking we need! You know, "Balls Dragging Building Callous" kinda bold ideas!!


  139. Pomai:

    Couch you must never have dealt with upper campus then.


  140. madeinhawaii:

    Couch Potato...

    I think the answer was... "If you find yourself asking that question "


  141. RichfromOC:

    It appears that the upper campus is on the fence with the current HC but are favorable with some of the assistant coaches. Those 2 losses on the mainland. especially the UNLV game probably swayed some of the campus admin opinions on his future not to mention the downtown crowd. Maybe they want Urban Meyer to coach Hawaii, ha, ha.


  142. (Jesse) James:

    #138 A-Joe...Love it...


  143. 808Bowler:

    Think they guna get mack contact done. They don't want to go to a new conference with a me head coach unless its some one from in house. They wud be suicide esp would hurt recruiting.


  144. Couch potato:

    Pomai, spoke with so called high ranking officials around 5 years ago and i'm done talking to them.


  145. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    Just to give you an update on the MASSIVE impact the loss of earmakrs has had on the University of Hawai`i System and how that will eventually impact UH intercollegiate athletics programs.

    EXTERNAL SPONSOR AWARDS - July, 2010
    241 awards totaling $51,001,910

    EXTERNAL SPONSOR AWARDS - July, 2011
    160 awards totaling $32,008,169

    In today's Star-Advertiser editorial section, there's a superb column by David Brooks of The New York Times titled "Preserving Amateur Ideals In a Commercial World." Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be in the S-A's on-line version. The original title is "The Lingering Vestiges of the Amateur Ideal," but other than that, it's the same.

    Click http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/David-Brooks-The-lingering-vestiges-of-the-amateur-ideal-02745456

    This column really puts the commercial issues of collegiate sports right in the center of the table.


  146. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    Whoops!!! earmakrs = earmarks


  147. A-joe:

    The whole key into making money is showing how others can make money themselves. Soon as you start being greedy, it 'aint happening!

    There's no "I" or "ME" in CASH!!!


  148. (Jesse) James:

    A-joe #147...only AS...oh, wait, that's not how you spell it...MWAHAHAHAHA

    I like your idea though. We need more out of the box thinking and more higher ups listening to innovative as well as common sense ideas that are worth taking a chance on. After all, nobody makes money by just sitting around waiting for it to happen. It takes money to make money....


  149. (Jesse) James:

    Now, if I could only cash in on that money that my long lost relative left me in Nigeria....I'd give half to UH....MWAHAHAHAHAHHAA


  150. Old Diver:

    #126

    Pomai,

    Might just be me but I think Rolo is going to have to up his game when it comes to talking to the public. I find his interviews slow paced and on the edge of boring with little information disseminated. Regardless how you feel about him Rich Miano gets me pumped up for the season or the game. He is articulate, he is motivating and I feel I learn something with each interview.


  151. madeinhawaii:

    Hate to say this, but maybe the schools with budgets less than $40 million for their athletic department should petition for greater exceptions/exemptions with regards to Title IX? Got to keep your revenue sports healthy to survive the current economic doldrums.


  152. madeinhawaii:

    I don't think Rolo or Aranda are ready for the HC job. They don't have enough connections outside of the Warrior program to properly staff and recruit. They may need to do the circuit, first. Otherwise, the program will slowly bleed away.


  153. tom mui:

    CAPITOL #128 - I hope somesort of negotiation (formal or informal) is taking place now.

    I hate to remember when the former AD decided to wait until the season was over before talking to June Jones. To modify the old saying "those that don't remember past history will get it in the akole"


  154. madeinhawaii:

    "akole"... is that like the big holehole in the puka in the O-cean?


  155. Couch potato:

    there should not be exceptions/exemptions to Title IX.


  156. LizKauai:

    Needed today: Love and Unity
    Not needed today: Partisanship and indecision.

    Stakeholders working together for the singular purpose of keeping athletics part of the university would be able to come up with something viable- at least for the next 5 years.

    As is the case with all systems that are reeling in the face of global change, a greater call to unity is required.
    One day very soon, the 100th monkey will realize that a formal college degree is not worth sacrificing home and hearth for...
    On that day, the University needs to be prepared to come up with another system to provide meaningful education - or go the way of bookstores, post offices and NCLB... when the $$$ dries up.


  157. Couch potato:

    last i remember akole means poor.


  158. Last Call:

    Not good news for Big West member Cal State Fullerton

    "Athletics barely hanging on to Division I Status"

    http://www.dailytitan.com/2011/09/25/athletics-barely-hanging-on-to-division-i-status/


  159. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    I'm reminded of that old saying "Trying to make a dollar out of fifteen cents" given some of the discussion here today.

    "Balls Dragging Building Callous" kinda bold ideas!!" ? Love it. And that about sums it up. ;)

    Don Weir's #111 is a great perspective on the big picture.


  160. jojo ®:

    Happy Birthday UHFan808! Ok, back to work with a migraine :(


  161. 808Bowler:

    La tech favored by 3.........

    Guna be a tough game for da boys...


  162. PowderPuff:

    I still don't like Derek Dooley...I wonder why?!!? As soon as they had him on CBS halftime this Saturday, I had to walk away from the TV. :)

    Can't wait to hear the report from the Na Koa Luncheon. Happy Birthday, UHFan808...you can celebrate all week!


  163. Kevin:

    RE: Proposed exceptions to Title IX

    The way I see it, and I will be the FIRST to admit that I have a bias that supports Title IX to it's fullest, Title IX was created out of a NECESSARY cause that encourages a fair playing ground in many aspects.

    Title IX is based on the male sports schollie #s and the female ones must match up.

    Now, I don’t care how this comes off, but it's all on football. 82 schollies for a roster of under 100. That's MORE than half of the team on scholarship.

    Look at it in dollars and cents. Does a football team or ANY team need a ratio of non-scholarship players to scholarship ones like that?

    It's nice to have, but look at it.

    Just this season alone, the football coaching staff made it VERY clear that some scholarship players were NOT invited back for fall camp and on a national scale we've seen bigger programs makin it rain with scholarship offers just so competing programs can't get them and there are no intention of playing those players sometimes.

    Title IX this and Title IX that, in equal light, why are people DODGING the issue of how many scholarships are awarded to the D1 football programs?


  164. LizKauai:

    http://youtu.be/bhHJ4DRZNZM

    We don't have to fall in love with each other but we can stand side by side to work for a common goal.


  165. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    Tom:

    The quote run-into-each-other-meet-ups unquote started back in June, I believe, paralleling the formal discussions with Da Bigs sitting around a table. However, the two losses, especially to UNLV, caused some folks to say "Let's take a breakfor a couple of weeks to see how the coaching staff headed by McMackin deals with The New Reality."

    It is my understanding from trusted sources that everyone involved understands the importance of coming to a quick & reasonable decision, but there is a lot more at stake than just meeting recruiting deadlines.

    MADEINHAWAII - Don't expect any woman with hgher education connections - as a student, a faculty member, a researcher, an administrator in any field, not just athletics to agree to reduce accessibility to Title IX. It provides equal access to women to all higher educational activities, not just sports.


    Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 is a United States law, enacted on June 23, 1972, that amended Title IX of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In 2002 it was renamed the Patsy T. Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act, in honor of its principal author Congresswoman Mink, but is most commonly known simply as Title IX. The law states that
    "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance..."
    —United States Code Section 20, [1]

    For further information, click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

    "Worried about how Title IX would affect men’s athletics, many people became concerned and looked for ways to limit the influence of Title IX. One such attempt was made in 1974 by Senator John Tower who introduced the Tower Amendment, which would have exempted revenue-producing sports from Title IX compliance.[7] Later that year the Tower Amendment was rejected and the Javits Amendment, proposed by Senator Jacob Javits, stated that the HEW must include “reasonable provisions considering the nature of particular sports[2]”, was adopted in its place."

    Title IX got me into three different academic fields dominated by men - including an new career starting in January.


  166. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Wait - My last post doesn't sound right - it should read:

    "Trying to make a dollar out of fifteen cents" is only possible if you have "Balls Dragging Building Callous" kinda bold ideas!!".


  167. Couch potato:

    85, that's the number.


  168. Couch potato:

    Da Punchbowl Kid, play your investments correctly and you can also make a dollar out of 15 cents all while keeping your balls smooth as a baby's okole. :wink:


  169. Kekoa:

    Jojo ~ Please contact me re: 'Leeds.' My email addy is: kekoa22 (at) aol dot com. I have all the info we spoke of.


  170. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Couch,

    Watch the movie "wrong turn"...when you are in the middle of nowhere you will know it.


  171. Kevin:

    When a program offers to hand out scholarships just to keep a kid under wraps then there is an abuse of power amd a paid education is something that shouldnt be abused.


  172. jojo ®:

    Thanks Kekoa, will do


  173. Bowwar:

    ST & Bloggers:

    Let's be "proactive" on Mack's contract renewal...WHO do we contact to voice our concerns? Do we have email or phone numbers which concerned UH supporters can call/email to voice our concerns? If so, can you list them?

    I truly think Mack is being reasonable in asking for $850K...The UH folks should be innovative if all they can afford is $600K by asking the boosters to cover the extra $250K. (like they did with JJ's contract). The assistant coaches deserve a "raise" if we plan on keeping them for the future...

    Bottom-line...Let's get this contract renewal done!


  174. eagle:

    madeinhawaii: September 26th, 2011 at 9:18 am
    letsgowarriors..
    "different direction" as in backwards? To give Credit where it's due:

    The #1 KEY to Success is having A PLAN (ANY Plan Actually, BUT Preferably a Good to Great One which i think we have...) AND TO CONTINUOUSLY EXECUTE AND PERSEVERE ...

    As Most Today Noted, even too much hemming and hawing will Severely Cost the Program ...

    More so, Changing LEAD Horses 'Mid-Stream' unnecessarily (This is NOT a Losing Program) will just kick us in with All the Other Losing Programs who can't find a Winner and Stick with It or With Them ... [We SHOULD Have Learned this from F.V.Appen & H.Frazier]

    and we (Currently ...Finally have coaches OC/DC/ST that can lead in high level successful execution, At a Price We Can (SO FAR) Afford and with Any Luck some may Choose to spurn the continuing offers of others and Stick Around -- WE Need Them More than They Need Us ...

    ---------
    LATE Reply: ?'maiden' Hawaii ? [REF: September 22nd, 2011 at 3:19 pm] Stopped Teaching CP & Tenth Insight Long Ago although (i consider) we're still on the path whether most are conscious of it or not ... my previous comments were more closely tied to (for Example) "Life After Life" by Dr. Raymond Moody et. al. clinically, disciplined, documented experiences and observations (as opposed to "undisciplined skeptics" who cannot look at facts objectively, determine their relevance and application versus theory or even consider a new concept or idea -- the Hallmark of a Trained & Disciplined Mind ...]


  175. RedZone:

    My question is do they really want to keep Mack? Doesn't seem like it. They got rid of Hinshaw. Are they cleaning house? Who is next?


  176. HawaiiMongoose:

    Garret and IWWTHM, I think both of you are potentially right about the Big East. It just depends on what the other conferences do.

    If the ACC stays at 14, the SEC stays at 13 and the Big 12 stays at 10, the Big East will have enough remaining schools to rebuild and retain an AQ bid.

    However if the ACC goes to 16 with UConn and Rutgers, the SEC goes to 14 with Missouri, and the Big 12 goes to 12 with TCU, BYU, Louisville and WVU, the Big East will be down to Cincinnati and USF in football. At that point I could see those two schools returning to CUSA in hopes that a CUSA 14 could beat out an MWC 10 for the Big East's AQ bid.


  177. eagle:

    Good Call (to action) BOWWAR

    LET The POWER of The Tsaikos and other concerned supporters Drive The "Responsible" Parties to Action and get Mack & JD the Genuine Support they need (on a consistent basis) ...

    Include the Upper Campus "Contract Psychos" to the E-mail/phone list -
    FOR Mack & Gib and others ...

    - AND they have the gall to say they want this run "like a business"


  178. Garret:

    Interesting comments from a reporter at the AD meeting:

    Can't figure out who's done more creepy stalking of ADs today - me or Terry Holland

    "I've had about all the Title IX talk I can handle." - Anonymous AD overheard at Div. 1-A meetings

    In expansion news you probably don't care about, I'm hearing San Jose State wants to get in the Sun Belt.

    My guess is that this would mean that the SJSU would be in the Sun Belt for football-only and would put the rest of their teams in the Big West. The Big West's commissioner sure seemed to encourage SJSU to join the Big West last year.

    http://twitter.com/#!/DanWolken


  179. Bowwar:

    Pomai:

    I think that that Warriors will have their hands full this weekend...

    As a Warrior Fan, my prediction is UH 35 - LaTech 31

    As an objective person, it will probably be La Tech 35 - UH 21

    Let's hope that the "real" Warrior team shows up this weekend...


  180. madeinhawaii:

    I'm just saying... no money no program.. the way it is set up, to keep the revenue programs going we need to keep many if not all of the other programs, too and THAT tends to wring the program dry in terms of $$. Negotiation isn't always easy. In times of plenty, that's not an issue.. but with this flat economy, all the BCS conference re-alignments, the rising costs (50% inflation in the past few years) and no end in sight of the burgeoning costs of running the athletic program, we need to find some form of respite or possibly lose more than we bargained for. Reciprocity should be tied into these agreements so that when the economy uprights itself the monies that were lost in one direction will be compounded back in that direction as to provide a greater boost for these programs.

    I'm not against Title IX, I believe it's a good thing, but I'd hate to see some programs cut just to adhere to it's principles and to make the budget work. Or should they simply take away scholarshps from these men and women sports unilaterally while still trying to compete? Can that work?


  181. Garret:

    However if the ACC goes to 16 with UConn and Rutgers, the SEC goes to 14 with Missouri, and the Big 12 goes to 12 with TCU, BYU, Louisville and WVU, the Big East will be down to Cincinnati and USF in football. At that point I could see those two schools returning to CUSA in hopes that a CUSA 14 could beat out an MWC 10 for the Big East's AQ bid.

    Why wouldn't those teams just pick and choose which CUSA schools they want? They would already have the AQ bid and they can pick teams that would put them ahead of the MWC so that they are sure to keep that bid. The BCS doesn't really have a way to kick out conferences.

    Your scenario is definitely a doomsday one for the Big East, and it could happen. I think they could end up with just 3 teams, but they will backfill quickly.


  182. Bowwar:

    Eagle...

    I wonder what those "powers that be" are being paid...If this was truly run like a business, JD and those "powers" would be "fired" for bungling negotiations and making it public.

    Bottomline: Either sxxt or get off the pot...Those folks are costing us more $$$$ by delaying their decision and not getting the job done!


  183. Garret:

    Schools leave conferences that may be getting $1 bil revenue deals because other conference have $2 bil or $3 bil revenue deals. That is not a shock. We don't see Big East teams looking to join non-AQ conferences...the second those types of discussions start we know the Big East is done.

    The Big East also has an amazing amount of NCAA basketball credits that the teams leaving are leaving behind. Money is power in realignment...follow the money.


  184. BigWave96744:

    Pomai I wanted Hawaii 38 - LaTech 35, but it's taken.
    So I'll go Hawaii 38 - Latech 36

    Koakane, great seeing you on the way to the Crazy Section..

    Finally, mahalo ST and everyone for the Birthday Wishes..


  185. HawaiiMongoose:

    Garret, another consideration in speculating about the Big East's future is that it's a split conference with eight non-football members. All of those non-football members have a vote in conference expansion decisions. If the football membership is down to two or three schools and the only available football expansion candidates are CUSA members and service academies, will the non-football schools elect to rebuild? Do they want to share the Big East's lucrative basketball credits with the new additions in exchange for holding onto shares of football TV revenue that may plummet when teams like West Virginia are traded for teams like ECU? I'm not sure the answer is yes.


  186. Darren:

    Not in-the-know, but it seems a bit head scratching to see that continued contract negotiations are contingent upon a win or loss in game #46. Shouldn’t the previous 45 games give somewhat of an idea of what to expect from this staff? Or at least enough to make a yea or nay decision?


  187. Garret:

    I have a 4pm work call that the other party hasn't showed up yet for, so I'll post one more thing.

    I have to point out that if you look at the numbers that UHAD reports, Upper Campus provided over $10 mil of the UHAD budget in the most recent budget year numbers I saw in the USA Today database. The "deficit" by UHAD is because Upper Campus planned on covering $8 mil in UHAD expenses but instead had to cover $10 mil. The most recent year the deficit basically went to zero, which means that Upper Campus provided only the $8 mil and not $10 mil...UHAD balancing the budget does NOT mean that Upper Campus isn't giving anything to support Athletics.

    The budget cuts are going to be slamming UH soon, Upper Campus isn't swimming in money. If UHAD can be shielded from that it would be great, but not realistic. UH is losing federal money (more than the $20 mil that WassupDoc mentioned above that were the earmarks cut) and a ton of money from the state. That money isn't going to just materialize out of nowhere. Before that money was lost, UH was already underfunded with roofs leaking and classes needed for graduation not being available.

    All that said, short term penny pinching of the Athletic Department really will cost UHAD and UH in the future. Stuff like the week in Vegas as a good example of that--it was bad on the field and in the classroom because the student-athletes had to miss that entire week of classes.


  188. al:

    Happy birthday to UHFan808


  189. al:

    none of our defensive players had enough "numbers" to have been considered for the pow.
    the defensive unit played too well and therefore, did not have as many opportunities as one would in a typical game.


  190. al:

    i like the way that billy ray has been answering the opening bell.


  191. Garret:

    If the football membership is down to two or three schools and the only available football expansion candidates are CUSA members and service academies, will the non-football schools elect to rebuild? Do they want to share the Big East's lucrative basketball credits with the new additions in exchange for holding onto shares of football TV revenue that may plummet when teams like West Virginia are traded for teams like ECU? I'm not sure the answer is yes.

    This is a very good point. The non-football schools could split from the football schools. There is a provision I've read about that allows for that with the Big East.

    That would leave the AQ designation for the football side of the Big East and more basketball credits than any non-AQ conference has. The TV contract for the Big East is already split between football and basketball, but would obviously be revised.

    The Big East is smart to go after the Academies because they have a TV draw. UCF has a good market and has been trying forever to get into the Big East. SMU and Houston are reportedly turning down the MWC because they have been pining for the Big East.

    If the conferences split, I cannot see how it would be that hard for the Big East's football side to get to 8 teams provided they have 3 teams already.


  192. al:

    tj taimatuia showed that he is gonna be a star in the future.


  193. Couch potato:

    madeinhawaii, principle? Title IX is a law that amended the Civil Rights Act. if programs cannot adhere to the law then so be it. make the budget or program cuts.


  194. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    Over the past several weeks, months & years, I have posted again & again contact information for key decision-makers on a wide range of subjects.

    If you want to get involved in the contract negotiations, contact the Board of Regents and President Greenwood's office as well as Virginia Hinshaw's office. When you do reach these people, remember to provide your full/real contact information.

    For reach the Board of Regents, click http://www.hawaii.edu/offices/bor/ For other UH contact information, click http://www.hawaii.edu/dir/

    There will be many changes coming down the road over the next nine years here in Hawai`i - two new US Senators, two new members in the US House of Representatives, a new UH System President, a new Chancellor at Manoa, new legislative leadership, and a new governor.

    The average age of most of the people who are getting ready to step into these positions will be sigificantly under the age of 50 so what they will be doing will have an impact on Hawai'i for next 20 years.

    Outside the University Sytem, contact key legislators who are not just UH advocates but also in power positions to make a difference. The list is relatively short: State Senators Jill Tokuda, David Ige, Shan Tsutsui, Donna Nercado Kim, Clayton Hee, and Carol Fukunaga; State Representatives Scott Nishimoto, Marcus Oshiro, Calvin Say, and Isaac Choy. There are several other legislators who can provide support behind the scenes so if you want some of their names, just ask me at a T-Event.

    Let's be really clear about one thing: Virginia Hinshaw is not being fired. Her contract is up next July and she is going back into academic research at the John A Burns School of Medicine after a semester's sabbatical. By the time she goes back into academia, she will be in her late 60s - and, while that is not old, I doubt seriously if any of the people who regularly post on this blog, would like to have a highly-stressful job in any field at that age.

    COUCH POTATO - I don't have Google installed on my computer because it takes up too much space given the limitations I have to deal with - a 2003 Dell desktop. However, based upon your response, I looked up Lisa's House in the (real) phone book and in Bryant's (real) map book and see that it is very close to Honolulu Airport. There is no way that I am going anywhere near that area anytime between November 9 and November 20 so I'll be watching the Nevada game on November 12 somewhere else far, far away.


  195. Couch potato:

    nowadays breaking news can be found on twitter or facebook. such as the Hawaii GOP.


  196. Couch potato:

    Capitol -ist/WassupDoc, you don't need google installed on your computer. just type google.com on the address bar and you can search when the site appears on your screen.


  197. Warrior Expat:

    Congrats to Moniz and to the team on the win. Always good to see our Warriors take away "the W."

    That said, am I the only one who is having difficulty getting excited about a win over an FCS program that was very plainly outclassed and outmatched? I was also unsettled by the fact that our first team defense seemed to be taking it easy and letting up in the third quarter. Sure we were up by a seemingly insurmountable amount, but what separates a good program from a great program is disciplined, focused play for four full quarters--whatever the score. The numerous false start and other pre-snap penalties also gave me pause and concern.

    All in all, a nice game by our boys, but I think it's important that the coaches and the players recognize that there is still room for improvement. Anyone else share this view?


  198. Kevin:

    W-Doc,

    Could you repost that link you provided regarding open public positions for a search committee for the new UH Manoa Chancellor.

    I'd like to take a look at what is asked for a prospective candidate for this position.

    Plus Id have to take a look at how it may interfere with my current job schedule.


  199. LizKauai:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/48121/non-aq-players-of-the-week-16
    WAC
    Offense: Bryant Moniz, QB, Hawaii. Set a new school record and tied an NCAA record with seven touchdown passes in the first half of a 56-14 win over UC Davis. Moniz also set a new school record with 424 passing yards in a half. He was 30-of-40, and did not play in the second half.


  200. Couch potato:

    Warrior Expat, i share some of your views. good win though.


  201. LizKauai:

    Warrior Expat- in the news conferences following the last game- both Coach Mack and the players acknowledged the need for continued improvement...

    :cool:


  202. madeinhawaii:

    So, the only way is to cut back on scholarship offers... How many schollies can UH give up and still be competitive in all sports? Assuming that each schollie is worth $24K ... How many athletic schollies does UH offer in total, anyway? 220? 240? more?


  203. Bwhaha:

    Pomai:
    September 26th, 2011 at 10:38 am
    #130 Couch - upper campus doesn't want to spend any money on athletics period, left up to them we would do away with athletics.

    I think it is time for the powers to be to get off there a$$ an decide if they want to be a mid-major or move on up, time to quit pussyfooting around and make the move.

    Don't you preach fiscal responsibility?


  204. madeinhawaii:

    Bwhaha,

    If there was fiscal responsibility, there would be greater transparency in the upper campus dealings. This self-autonomy biz with UH isn't all that successful. They estimate an additional Billion dollars in funding is needed by 2020... probably much sooner than that they way the economy has been floundering. Regardless of that forecast they put aside monies to build that Med school and contnue to let the main campus flounder in disrepair. It's like the Marcos philosophy of general economics... rulers get paid well... and to show that we are spending money wisely, we will put up a nice facade....


  205. LizKauai:

    troll food...


  206. madeinhawaii:

    Since we probably lost Junior Alexis to Miami...

    ... who are the Best Senior DTs in the in local High Schools this year and are we going after them?


  207. madeinhawaii:

    Are their any that went away to JC ... that we should try to woo back?
    How about Olinemen?


  208. Bwhaha:

    Regardless of that forecast they put aside monies to build that Med school for athletics and contnue to let the main campus flounder in disrepair.

    fairness?


  209. A-House:

    Don Weir - Kevin - Pomai - J(J) - others:

    The KEY body to concentrate your efforts to make/effect change is the Board of Regents for they are the consumate decision makers within the UH system.

    They delegate to "upper campus" authority, NOT RESPONSIBILITY, to manage "the 10-campus system" and retain the authority/responsibility to hire/fire the President and Chancellor.

    Therefore, what is the Board's short-term, mid-term, and long-term plan for the UH system? Does it contain a "vision" to expand UH's educational influence to the Far East? A simple mission statement of "explore the advantages and disadvantages" in increasing our influence to the Far East. This then should automatically cause the next level to include creating goals and objectives on "how to" accomplish this goal" and a realistic time table". This template should include academics and sports. How is this conveyed to Greenwood/Hinshaw? Is this truly the "chain of command"?

    IIRC, the Board commanded Jim Donovan to run the Athletic Department like a "business" or did this go thru Greenwood and Hinshaw or direct to Donovan? If direct to Donovan, I would believe that he then has a direct line of communication to the UH Board of Regents to discuss running it as a business. Of course, a courtesy information meeting with Greenwood and Hinshaw to advise them of his intent to discuss certain information with the Board would be nice.

    Will the Board listen and consider Donovan's recommendations? I dunno no, but hopefully the Board members are truly leaders who have the University's interest above anything or anyone. Or, is the Board a bunch of politicial appointees who wan to "add" UH Board of Regents to their resume? I have met only 1 member of the Board; sort of in passing as an introduction by a mutual friend.

    Will sparks fly? U bet chum! Lesson of how to make enemies!!!


  210. RedZone:

    UH 31 - LT 28

    MS attacked Techs perimeter. Our dbs will be tested as techs uses five receiver sets a lot. Got to stop Little Feet.


  211. Couch potato:

    is there a new A-House on the blog?


  212. HawaiiMongoose:

    Garret, one other thing I forgot to mention. To continue being an FBS conference under NCAA rules, the Big East would need a minimum of eight football-playing members that ALSO play basketball and other sports in the Big East. So, the academies could be brought in for football only, but they would have to be added as the ninth or tenth or eleventh football members; a Big East rebuilding from just two or three remaining football schools would have no choice but to add five or six CUSA members first (also Temple could fill one of those slots).

    Now, would the Big East basketball schools go along with that? Would sharing their basketball credits with that many newbies be palatable? Would the new additions bring enough incremental value to make rebuilding in football worthwhile? I think the odds aren't good.

    You brought up the alternative of the Big East splitting into football and non-football conferences, and if that happened I agree the Big East football conference would retain its AQ bid, at least until the end of the current evaluation period. One problem with that scenario is that the resulting breakaway football conference would technically be a new NCAA Division 1 all-sports conference. And under the NCAA continuity rule, a new Division 1 conference has to wait eight years for a basketball auto bid. That may not be a show-stopper -- I imagine a CUSA school would give up being in a basketball auto bid conference to attain AQ status -- but would it do so knowing that it could very well lose AQ status in just a few years?

    A second problem with that scenario is that the members of the new Big East football conference wouldn't get any of the basketball revenue earned by the Big East basketball conference members. Their main source of revenue would be a new Big East football conference TV contract. And if the new Big East football conference is mainly comprised of CUSA retreads, why would any network give it a much larger TV contract than CUSA's?

    I still come back around to thinking that if the Big East football loses all but a couple of football schools, there's a good chance they won't be able to rebuild the Big East as a football conference, and instead will have to seek refuge in CUSA. And that concerns me because a 14-member CUSA with Cincinnati and USF may be better-positioned to inherit the Big East's AQ bid than a 10-member MWC.


  213. RedZone:

    I know one DT that I really like who is a junior.


  214. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #214,

    If the Big East split into FB and Non-FB division and the FB part would have to be considered a "new conference," they cannot make such a move.

    From what I remember the NCAA issued a moratorium on the formation of new conferences.

    Don't know how this applies, if at all, to a new "football division".


  215. Pride.:

    Darren:

    September 26th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    Not in-the-know, but it seems a bit head scratching to see that continued contract negotiations are contingent upon a win or loss in game #46. Shouldn’t the previous 45 games give somewhat of an idea of what to expect from this staff? Or at least enough to make a yea or nay decision?

    Hmmmm, previous 45 games? Here's a try.

    Hawaii vs. FCS teams - 4 and 0 (100%)
    Hawaii vs. BCS teams - 3 and 8 (27%)
    Hawaii vs. non AQ/non WAC teams - 3 and 3 (50%)
    Hawaii vs. WAC teams - 15 and 9 (62.5%)

    Hawaii vs. teams since Mack HC - 25 and 20 (55.5%)

    Average 2010 salaries of the head coaches of 8 WAC teams in the WAC in 2011 - $562,000.

    Average 2010 salaries of head coaches in the MWC in 2011 - $818,000.
    (MWC coaches salaries were $702,000. before adding Chris Peterson's $1.5 million salary)


  216. Couch potato:

    it's gonna be another down year recruiting the top local high school players. so sad, too bad.


  217. LizKauai:

    Anyone got a stream link to the Redskins game?


  218. Pride.:

    WAC coaches 2010 salaries:

    Hawaii $1,113,004.
    Freesno State $999,309.
    LaTech $450,000.
    Nevada $443,000.
    SJSU $403,820.
    NMSU $375,000.
    Idaho $363,187.
    Utah St. $354,400.

    ***USA Today 12/9/2010 posted @ 19:22 hrs.


  219. Pride.:

    #217 Hawaii vs. BCS teams - 3 and 8 (27%)

    Three good BCS teams, two against Washington State and one against Colorado.


  220. postmanke:

    That Utah St Coach is under paid.. just saying..


  221. Pride.:

    Hawaii vs. non AQ/non WAC teams - 3 and 3 (50%)

    Three good wins, Navy in 2009, Army and UNLV in 2010. Tough losses against UNLV in 2011 and 2009, and Tulsa loss in the 2010 Hawaii Bowl.


  222. hawaiian:

    ST (#20),

    I too agree with what you said. I've told family and friends the exact same thing regarding recruiting and the "savings" turning to a bigger "loss" from an attendance standpoint! This is so ridiculous that decisions aren't better planned due to the "red tape" that everyone knows is there! Shame on the administration/athletic dept./BOR...whoever is reponsible! This program WILL NEVER BE SUCCESSFUL if this continues!


  223. Pride.:

    #222 - These are basic salaries before bonuses. I'm sure that they get a few $ more for radio and TV shows.


  224. madeinhawaii:

    LizK...

    Thank you for the troll alert... (put em on my ignore list)


  225. tom mui:

    Re: #153 - that'is what I get for rushing out a message and out of the house!
    I meant "okole" (pupule manamana!)


  226. Pride.:

    Hawaii vs. WAC teams - 15 and 9 (62.5%)

    Average a 5 and 3 record in the WAC. Good 5 and 3 in 2008, struggled in 2009 with a 3 and 5 record in the WAC. Had some real good wins in the WAC in 2011 over Fresno, LaTech, and Nevada to go 7 and 1 in conference play.


  227. ai-eee-soos:

    more talk, from the SA sports page ....

    " ... Mountain West, Conference USA could share TV rights, bowl berth ... "

    link:

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/130586748.html


  228. ai-eee-soos:

    some more talk ...

    " ... La. Tech coach says team 'better prepared' for Hawaii ... "

    link:

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/breaking/La_Tech_coach_says_team_better_prepared__for_Hawaii.html


  229. (Jesse) James:

    La Tech is a good team and considering our road struggles of late, the Warriors need to step it up big time. Who will lead us??? Who will step up??? The time is now!!!! Go WARRIORS!!!


  230. (Jesse) James:

    Pride...Ran into a friend of yours at work today...He says hello....LOL


  231. jm2375:

    Liz - try this - http://www.ustream.tv


  232. Stephen Tsai:

    Once again, if being here makes you unhappy or miserable, we do wish you well in finding your place somewhere else.
    Meanwhile . . . .the rest of us are having fun, fun, fun since daddy took your T-Bird away.


  233. LizKauai:

    Thanks, ST.


  234. jm2375:

    On the MNF pregame, they said something about the 49ers staying on the road this week, since they have back-to-back road games. Maybe Mack should have a talk with Harbaugh...


  235. jm2375:

    Liz - Cooley's playing fullback...


  236. wafan:

    Good evening!


  237. d1shima:

    You look like an ace now, you look like an ace...


  238. wafan:

    Thank you, Mr. Tsai!


  239. wafan:

    Work hard Warriors!

    Tough game on the horizon.

    Go Warriors!

    Whoo-hoo!!!


  240. wafan:

    Watched "Spooky Buddies".

    The bad guy looks like (J)J.

    Not that (J)J is a bad guy!


  241. Couch potato:

    thank you Pride for providing the information regarding win/loss breakdown and WAC salaries.


  242. wafan:

    Congratulations to Moniz!

    'Atta-way, Warrior!

    Whoo-hoo!!!


  243. LizKauai:

    jm2375: got the radio show on... no vid... oh well... HTTR!


  244. wafan:

    First 787 finally delivered today to ANA -- 3 years behind schedule.

    Thinking this will be the only plane Boeing will ever outsource parts to foreign countries.


  245. wafan:

    Fall arrived today.

    Seriously. Rain, cool temps, and lots of wind.

    Summer definitely ended yesterday.


  246. Kevin:

    Wafan,

    Send some of that here. Frickin hotter than it should be.


  247. LizKauai:

    Happy fall, wafan!


  248. Stephen Tsai:

    If you buy an expensive pair of shoes that you can't return, you can't live with regrets.
    The money is gone, and it's not coming back. So enjoy the shoes.
    It seems like UH officials are obsessed with a money decision it made in 2008 that it felt was excessive. Shouldn't dwell on it, but yet they do.


  249. wafan:

    Still cannot understand why UH takes so long to work contracts. Is it a great example of procrastination, stone-walling, or ignoring the unpalatable and obvious?

    How long does it take to work up an academic or research contract?


  250. wafan:

    Kevin . . .

    If it were not for La Nina we would probably have a normal Fall -- cool and definitely drier.

    Darn "global warming".


  251. madeinhawaii:

    Coach Mack walks at the end of this season... do we blame him?


  252. Stephen Tsai:

    Face it, the salary for 2013 and 2014 will come down, considerably, for the head coaching position. That's a given.
    But that's not going to solve the ills, because UH's problems are systematic, and not tied to one contract. There are bigger issues: Travel subsidies, loss of PPV money, the addition of a sport, etc.


  253. wafan:

    Liz . . .

    Thanks!

    Really like this time of year. Spring, too!

    Neither terribly cold and wet, nor hot and dry. But, just right.


  254. madeinhawaii:

    Oh wait.. can he walk? When does his contract expire? end of this season or next?


  255. Stephen Tsai:

    MIH:
    He's not going to walk away from a guaranteed $1.1 million.
    UH just needs to make a decision: If he's your guy, work out a contract. If he's not, work out a buyout and find a successor.
    But either way, UH needs to make a decision now or the program is going to suffer.


  256. madeinhawaii:

    And that all means that football needs to make even MORE money... and we do that by cutting costs on feeding the golden goose? heh... I like that logic.


  257. wafan:

    I think Mack is willing to negotiate. He made an offer expecting (?) UH to make a counter-offer.

    Their version of a counter-offer was to stop.

    Negotiating in good faith?!?!


  258. Kevin:

    Does anyone know why we added sand volleyball? Not saying we don't need it or want it, but again considering the cost of adding a new sport, ESPECIALLY at this time, it was a head-scratcher.

    Is it to keep in line with Title IX? Because as far as Title IX compliance is concerned, I believe it's more of a facility thing as far as getting that women's locker room into 2011 condition as opposed to vintage 1985 and other things.

    NCAA sending out some people next month to visit the campus so……..


  259. Couch potato:

    should be like abercrombie and HSTA. last, best and final offer.


  260. kawika49:

    #249 guess they need to find, a law firm that's really, really, gooed at contract law. Obviously, afterm giving up airfare etc., after their MWC contract; they need to find a new firm.


  261. wafan:

    Thought.

    Is the UH method that of a form of passive-resistance?


  262. Couch potato:

    at least the traveling squad for sand volleyball is low in numbers. i'm thinking the elite high school wahine vb players would want to go to a school that offers both sand and indoor vb. they can always opt to be a non-scholie player for sand vb.


  263. wafan:

    #260 . . .

    What does that say for their retained counsel. Or what their advice to find outside consultants?

    Geez, where and how do I apply?


  264. madeinhawaii:

    I dunno about the others, but I'll still vote to keep Mack... I don't see many alternatives for the RnS and a solid defense at that price. I don't see Rolo or Aranda ready to take the helm just yet. I'm not sure they have all the connections they need to keep a high level of supporting coaches and a solid flow of recruits coming in. Maybe Coach Mack can go into semi-retirement and

    Which is why I keep Voting for Coach Mack!
    http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Vote.aspx?cid=115#fbid=1u43ouAEBOX

    Vote Moniz for the O'Brien Award
    http://www.voteobrien.org/login.asp


  265. madeinhawaii:

    (missed this ending)...come back as the recruiting coach when he's done coaching.


  266. wafan:

    Gosh.

    Kids wore me out with their non-stop questions. Lots of great questions, too!

    Need to get ready for tomorrow's discussion points and an advisor meeting on Thursday night.

    Dunno why I keep beating myself like this. Must be when the kids smile and experience success.

    HA!


  267. wafan:

    Nytal!


  268. (Jesse) James:

    Thanks Wafan...I'm not always a bad boy...MWAAHAHAHHA


  269. Kevin:

    In that sense and the 3 schollies???? They are alloted is about the smallest one can get in adding a new sport at a minimal cost.

    I guess considering the fan loyalty to the Wahine program, they could get away with it and still turn some kind of "profit"?


  270. cocobean:

    Where's the good ol' boy network when you need it? With a Dem in the guv's office should have been a slam dunk to get some athletic friendly BOR people appointed. Tony Guerrero, Duane Kurisu, Warren Haruki, Bob Wagner......

    When Wally Fujiyama was chairman of the BOR, athletics was a priority.


  271. eagle:

    Pomai

    'UH 31 LA Tech 30

    WILL Require Big Plays, Good Turnovers & Some "Luck" ....

    BOTH QBs Outstanding BUT OUR DL & Blitz pushes two more turnovers
    (including INTs; the Senior 'schools' the freshman and shows the better ARM AND LEGS ...)

    OF All their close Losses, LA Tech considers this their most frustrating as Rushing is Controlled & Contained ....
    MAC is proud of his players and So Happy for the W...'

    Next Year Isham Versus Godfrey or Graves ???


  272. Couch potato:

    "Must be when the kids smile and experience success." can't beat it when it's your own children, yeah.


  273. Stephen Tsai:

    Kevin:
    As I understand it, sand volleyball was a sport added or else it would be used against UH in recruiting if it didn't add it.
    Plus, the Legislature appropriated money to build sand courts. Why the courts haven't been built yet is still a mystery. Aren't we just talking sand and portable bleachers?


  274. Kevin:

    Talk about timing huh?

    At a time when UH athletics needs DA HUI the most...


  275. Stephen Tsai:

    Guerrero helped get Mack hired, or so we're told.


  276. (Jesse) James:

    ST....On an island...Sand is hard to get.... :-)


  277. Stephen Tsai:

    Couch Potato:
    Actually, sand volleyball numbers aren't that low.
    As I understand it, each school must field five two-player teams for each competition. I guess you need reserves, too. It's like the tennis team. Your two best players don't play five matches. They play one match, and you have four other pairs for the other four matches.


  278. Stephen Tsai:

    Interesting that Nebraska has sand courts but not a sand vb team.


  279. (Jesse) James:

    Look, bottom line is win and in....Win, and things begin to take care of themselves. Not to say that we don't need to and shouldn't be looking at all the options but the one key, with Hawaii fans at least, is that the team needs to win.

    As for myself, I've always supported the University, when it came to athletics....win, lose, or draw. Unfortunately, other than most of us here...a number of UH 'supporters' only support the school when our teams do well. When they don't do well, no support. When you look at other programs like ND, Wisc, Mich, et al, they get fan support at games and for other things no matter what. Yes, the fans get disgruntled and irritated when they lose, but they still support the program. Look at ND, even when they had terrible seasons, their stadium was still packed and you couldn't get a ticket to the games. Same with Michigan....etc. Hawaii has to find a way to do that with it's fan base as well.


  280. Kevin:

    Stephen Tsai:

    September 26th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    Kevin:
    As I understand it, sand volleyball was a sport added or else it would be used against UH in recruiting if it didn't add it.

    To be used against UH recruiting... hmm guess the sand game is very big with the indoor students Shoji and Co are going after? Jane Croson style indoor is being constantly referred towards her sand game and read somewhere that the fact that UH is getting sand volleyball is a big or supposedly a big reason why we landed the "blue chipper".


  281. Couch potato:

    Stephen Tsai, wow! that many players! guess i didn't get that memo. so it's something like tennis. can't wait to see the uniforms.


  282. Kevin:

    Personally I still think that a joint-effort with the HTA and UH athletics with the use of a MAJESTIC beachfront for all of UH's sand volleyball games is the best backdrop in the country.

    Kinda funny to tune in to watch University of HAWAII Sand Volleyball and you see a concrete background with a man-made court on campus. BEACHES GALORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  283. Kevin:

    Also with all those damn cats near lower campus, I do not feel comfortable with the idea of a GIANT litterbox sitting out there ripe for the pooping…. :lol: :lol: :lol:


  284. madeinhawaii:

    especially with all the feral cats in the islands!


  285. primo123:

    let go jim donovan!!...we know you can do it!

    lock down mac and dont forget gib too!


  286. papajoe2:

    So if the MWC and CUSA combine, wouldn't the "prize" be split more ways? And if some teams get disgruntled, will they have a secret meeting in a bathroom and split? Who do you think will be left out? They would have to secure a huge TV contract for it to be profitable. Maybe that would be a good time for the combined conference to have 1 very late game (UH could be 1 team) on national TV in addition to a few in "normal" time slots. As newcomer to the MWC I don't think that UH could make too much noise and just have to go with the flow. We need to figure out ways to protect ourselves within a conference.


  287. eagle:

    Primo

    i'm SURE the hold-up on Contracts is NOT with JD -

    - it's in some Ivory-Wanna-Be Tower on UPPER Campus

    JD is the ONLY Person so far that can discuss ALL issues and describe All Sides on that issue ...(as he demonstrated in his Conference with ST)
    THAT is actually Harder 'cos you can't just run off a la' FFasi or even JJ ...


  288. eagle:

    "SAND" [BEACH] Volleyball is the Real "PRO" Sport in U.S. (w/o going to Europe)...


  289. Kevin:

    ST mentioned before that some coaching contracts, especially Coach Mack's one, is all on upper campus.


  290. eagle:

    With So Many WORLD-CLASS Beaches -- HTA & U.H. Could set up its own Hawai''i TOUR Season ...

    Big Island (Do we still have Black Sand?), Molokai, Maui, Kauai, Waikiki w/ 5-0 Follow-Up, Kailua, Ko'olina-DISNEY-Aulani Sponsor (!!!), ON a CRUISE Ship !, NORTH Shore ...


  291. Stephen Tsai:

    Couch Potato:
    Yep. When it was first brought up, I thought, not bad, just need two good sand players. Turns out you need at least 10.


  292. rainbowfan:

    Southern Utah beat UNLV 41-16 , also defeated Texas San Antonio 46 -22 and Sacramento State 35-14.

    Note that Sacramento State defeated Oregon State 29-28 and also Montana 42-28.

    Texas San Antonio will join the WAC in 2012.


  293. Stephen Tsai:

    Yep, Upper-Upper Campus is handling the Mack contract. It's at the highest level.


  294. Ipu Man:

    Hmmmm...how about Ten Dollars from each home game ticket
    sold be coach Mac's salary. So he gets $20,0000-plus for each
    home game (and bowl).


  295. Ipu Man:

    $200,00


  296. Ipu Man:

    Two Hundred Thousand per game
    ...sheesh, my typing bad...


  297. Ipu Man:

    Anyhow, I like A-joe's #138 idea also of buying
    info-commercial midnight time slot to promote/sell
    ads UH football games...


  298. Ipu Man:

    got 300?


  299. LizKauai:

    Davey O'Brien voting so far:

    1. Kellen Moore Boise State 16557 28%
    2. Case Keenum Houston 6099 10%
    3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M 5841 10%
    4. Robert Griffin III Baylor 4812 8%
    5. Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State 2616 4%
    6. Kriss Proctor Navy 2563 4%
    7. Bryant Moniz Hawaii 2384 4%
    8. Kirk Cousins Michigan State 2149 4%


  300. LizKauai:

    300?


  301. LizKauai:

    HTTR... Go REDSKINS! :mrgreen:


  302. el burro sabio:

    Maybe a person at the highest level is still upset with Mack's comments at the 2009 WAC Media Day.


  303. madeinhawaii:

    Anybody remember what our attendance during the Von Appen years? A milder recession as compared to today...


  304. primo123:

    coach mack is smart to take a pay cut and try to get his assistants more $$$....otherwise bye bye coordinators....or should i say...buy buy....?


  305. madeinhawaii:

    The Athletic Department made budget last year ... kind of hard to justify a pay cut for the salary of the guy in charge of your biggest money making venture when you made budget following 10 years of deficit spending, don't you think?


  306. madeinhawaii:

    Oh Wait! We had a profit in 2007. shucks.


  307. LizKauai:

    mih- haha... creative accounting...


  308. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    ST,

    Make sure you always buy shoes from Nordstrom. They have the "costco return policy" of department stores haha! :-P


  309. Hawaiianbod:

    *zapped*


  310. LizKauai:

    hi bod. yup.


  311. Pomai:

    What better place to have sand volleyball than Kuhio Beach with Diamond Head in the background, here again it's a common sense idea, too bad.


  312. Hawaiianbod:

    Hi LizK! Who needs Terminex when u have ST! Pests get *zapped*.


  313. Stephen Tsai:

    Hawaiianbod:
    I just want people to be happy, and somebody said he wasn't happy here.
    I wish him well in his pursuit of happiness.


  314. LizKauai:

    Ok... time to go home... cliffhanger with the cowboys and redskins notwithstanding!
    Have a great evening everyone!


  315. Pomai:

    UH vs LaTech
    06    -    28    Shark
    28    -    07    tom mui
    28    -    21    Pomai
    31    -    28    MP
    31    -    28    RedZone
    31    -    30    eagle
    33    -    31    londistance808
    34    -    14    LizKauai
    34    -    17    gmahoney
    34    -    31    Buger
    35    -    14    kawika49
    35    -    31    Bowwar
    35    -    31    niho mano
    38    -    14    wafan
    38    -    27    madeinhawaii
    38    -    31    Pride
    38    -    35    kev-1
    38    -    36    BigWave96744
    41    -    21    DPK
    46    -    45    Old Diver
    49    -    14    Tchahng
    49    -    17    Ipu Man
    59    -    28    d1shima


  316. rainbowfan:

    #303,
    Average UH attendance for 1998, Von Appen's last year was 29,353. In 1997, it was 32,811

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Stats/Football/Attendance/1998/1998IAattendance.html


  317. Stephen Tsai:

    I think that's tickets distributed, not turnstile.


  318. slenzi:

    Stephen Tsai:
    Thanks for the Ruston/Monroe info. We will stay in Monroe Friday night too. Youngest son is going to take his SAT at a high school in Monroe. Pretty cool.


  319. Kevin:

    Davey O'Brien voting and the chosen one that walks on water Andrew Luck isn't on it????


  320. Stephen Tsai:

    slenzi:
    That's great. I hope you have a great time at the game.
    Remember, after the game, you can chat with the coaches and the players before they leave for the airport.


  321. Kevin:

    Even at 5-31 UH still managed to keep above the NCAA required attendance amount to classify as a D1 football program. :shock:


  322. Kevin:


    Stephen Tsai:
    September 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    Yep, Upper-Upper Campus is handling the Mack contract. It's at the highest level.

    Reminds me of the closing scene from Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark:

    Indiana Jones: Where's the ark?

    Museum officials: It's being handled and examined by top men.

    Indiana Jones: but it should....

    (Indiana gets abruptly interrupted)

    Museum officials (in stern voice tone): ITS BEING HANDLED BY TOP MEN!!!

    (closing scene shows Ark of the Covenant being stored away in a crate in a massive secured storage facility amongst thousands of other similar-shaped untouched crates collecting dust.)


  323. rainbowfan:

    Maybe subtract about 2570 from tickets issued to get turnstile count ? Anyway, you can compare tickets distributed in a year with any other year.


  324. Kevin:

    Different times back in the very late 90's.

    Conference realignment and the importance of securing one's financial vitality wasn't so much of a pressing issue....


  325. madeinhawaii:

    rainbowfan..

    Thanks.. too bad I can't find the numbers for the past three years... the database you put up above only shows up to 2006... (which, by the way, was a good year with 36.5K)


  326. Midnight:

    Happy birthday to UHFan808!


  327. Stephen Tsai:

    Thanks for the research, Rainbowfan


  328. madeinhawaii:

    Hmm.. since he has now had almost a full complement of recruiting years, maybe they can negotiate Mack's contract based on his previous year's win/loss record. $100,000 a win. He had 10 wins last year... so 1 million... for this year... if he has only 5 wins this season ... 500,000 for next.. etc.. etc.. etc. get 13 wins and BINGO! ...


  329. izzy:

    It's obvious even to me that the coaching staff has been slowly building and recruiting toward the future and a new incarnation of the Run and Shoot. If Mack goes, so does the RnS AND (most likely) many of the 2nd and 3rd stringers that did so well on Saturday.


  330. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    madeinhawaii -

    Coach Mack Show on KGMB right now! ;)


  331. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    So UH is looking at the $600,000 range, Mack is at the $750,000 range. My guess is that something can and will work out.

    Even if UHAD/UH wants to find someone new, who would that someone be? I don't know of a name that would come for that kind of money.

    By that I mean for $500,000-650,000 you are not going to get a name that sports fans nationwide may have heard of or even a coach that most fans would be "pleased" with. It's probably not going to be a Chow, Akina, Niumatalolo, Harsin, Cabral, Leach, Gilbride or whatever names have been mentioned before.

    I really think UH wants to keep Mack and are going to do whatever they can to keep him. Its unfortunate that $200,000/year seems to be a really big issue.


  332. madeinhawaii:

    DPK.. thanks.. I missed last night's showing.. LOL


  333. momo:

    28 UH-them 21 momo
    42- UH them 28 ms momo


  334. postmanke:

    as an early on critic of Mac I think he is doing an amazing job. I dont feel like he is milking it and is worth his salary. The guy won a WAC Championship, is pre-seaon picked to win it again.. looking at the big picture, you wanna play ball with the big boys you aint gonna do it successfully on a $500k salary. not in todays crazy economics in NCAA athletics. If your goal is to win conference championships, we're doing it. Stay the course. Stomach the salaries that get you there and dont head backwards. I say take on the pain, get creative and keep on track.

    Having said that, to Mac's demise, he has done such a wonderful job at delegation that we might not need him.. just saying..


  335. rainbowfan:

    madeninhawaii & Stephen, thanks.

    Here is a story about UH attendance in 2010 by Ferd:

    Average tickets distributed was 37,311; average turnstile count was 34,742 .

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/sportsnews/20110209_Warriors_lead_WAC_in_football_attendance.html


  336. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    If you look good you play good. So they got haircuts...But they wear helmets when they are playing. lol


  337. postmanke:

    Pomai thanks

    Warriors 26 - who dat 24

    Their LB's are scary, the DB's like to cheat in the 2nd half. both QB and RB had very noticeable limps at the end of Miss St game. Masch, finish em off!


  338. LizKauai (iPhone):

    Please do remember Mr. Kymry in your prayers.


  339. KBayJohn:

    Happy Birthday UHFan808. God bless, hope you have a great day and keep rooting for the Warriors!


  340. rainbowfan:

    Rolo looks more clean shaven ? on the TV telecast. I prefer his current clean look. It goes well with the no - huddle (fuddle) offense.

    #335, didn't Joe Paterno delegate a lot and do they need him on the field for inspiration ?


  341. Ipu Man:

    Liz, here's a good link for prayer for Mr. Kymry...and anyone
    else who needs a miracle:
    http://www.ernestangley.org/miracles/


  342. Pomai:

    UH vs LaTech
    06    -    28    Shark
    26    -    24    postmanke
    28    -    07    tom mui
    28    -    21    momo
    28    -    21    Pomai
    31    -    28    MP
    31    -    28    RedZone
    31    -    30    eagle
    33    -    31    londistance808
    34    -    14    LizKauai
    34    -    17    gmahoney
    34    -    31    Buger
    35    -    14    kawika49
    35    -    31    Bowwar
    35    -    31    niho mano
    38    -    14    wafan
    38    -    27    madeinhawaii
    38    -    31    Pride
    38    -    35    kev-1
    38    -    36    BigWave96744
    41    -    21    DPK
    42    -    28    ms momo
    46    -    45    Old Diver
    49    -    14    Tchahng
    49    -    17    Ipu Man
    59    -    28    d1shima


  343. postmanke:

    rainbowfan - I really think Penn St will bust wide open as soon as the Great Joe Paterno leaves. but that's just my opinion..

    few years back I had a nice conversation with the president of Penn St. mostly about Tim Manoa. He mentioned then that Paterno was set to retire in a couple years.. that conversation was in 1989. lol so who know's how much longer he will go.. amazing!


  344. postmanke:

    we go no huddle, La Tech goes hurry up - cant wait! who's got the better conditioning coach? gonna be an all out war!


  345. SteveM:

    Back from work and unintended nap...

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY UHFAN808 !!!


  346. SteveM:

    Prayers for Mr. KymryKauai...


  347. gmahoney:

    Prayers for Mr.Kymry, that he receives what he needs.


  348. らす べがす:

    Prayers for Mr. KymryKauai...


  349. らす べがす:

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY UHFAN808 !!!


  350. madeinhawaii:

    Those are good issued and attendance numbers in 2010. Suffice to say, it looks like Coach Mack has earned his salary considering the panic that JJ's departure created. In 2008, had Mack not stayed on and another coach was hired that late into the post season... we may have never made a Bowl in 2008, fans would have been even more disgruntled... season ticket sales would have continued to plummet and the RnS would have been a thing of the past. Mack, to me, has kept that dream of a repeat 2007 alive, and that will be key for us in the MWC.


  351. madeinhawaii:

    Our thoughts and prayers go out to Mr. Kymry


  352. postmanke:

    would JJ bolt again and head to KC Chiefs? with some Luck, maybe?


  353. Stephen Tsai:

    We're at the paper, and we're just amazed by the phenomenon of a person who has expressed unhappiness visiting our blog, but yet is persistent in wanting to be part of the blog the past couple of days.
    Really, it's OK.
    We know we're not good enough for you.
    We know you probably have an active social life rich with friends and caring relatives.
    So, don't worry, you're excused. Really, we don't want to subject you to unhappiness by visiting us, oh, every 5 minutes.
    You have our blessing to find happiness at more involved and intellectual sites.
    Again, thanks for visiting us, well, quite often, but please go to a place that makes you happier.
    Best wishes to you and yours.


  354. Pomai:

    UH vs LaTech
    26    -    24    postmanke
    28    -    07    tom mui
    28    -    21    momo
    28    -    21    Pomai
    31    -    28    MP
    31    -    28    RedZone
    31    -    30    eagle
    31    -    38    Pride
    33    -    31    londistance808
    34    -    14    LizKauai
    34    -    17    gmahoney
    34    -    31    Buger
    35    -    14    kawika49
    35    -    31    Bowwar
    35    -    31    niho mano
    38    -    14    wafan
    38    -    27    madeinhawaii
    38    -    35    kev-1
    38    -    36    BigWave96744
    41    -    21    DPK
    42    -    14    らす べがす
    42    -    28    ms momo
    46    -    45    Old Diver
    49    -    14    Tchahng
    49    -    17    Ipu Man
    59    -    28    d1shima


  355. gmahoney:

    Wow!


  356. Stephen Tsai:

    I think JJ would go to a place that makes him happy.
    That's this week's theme: Go to a place that makes you and others happy.


  357. Ipu Man:

    Gigi (and Hubby), come back...


  358. Stephen Tsai:

    I would welcome back Gigi (and Hubby). I like her and find her comments sort of mesmerizing.
    But I also have a three-pout rule. I'm not begging anybody back, anymore.
    Don't want to be here, don't have to be here.


  359. Hawaiianbod:

    re 357 - u can always visit her on her blog.


  360. Ipu Man:

    sorry...


  361. Stephen Tsai:

    Aw, ya know we love ya, Ipu Man.


  362. Stephen Tsai:

    I actually like most people.
    I just don't like people who don't like people, if that makes any sense.
    Life's too short for aggravation.


  363. Kevin:

    I don't like a lot of people.


  364. Stephen Tsai:

    Kevin:
    You like people. You just don't know it.


  365. SteveM:

    RE: #358
    Yup. But notice how we are missing many of the Tsaikettes nowadays? I think many are still around and lurking. They are a big part of the blog. When you have trolls. jackasses and super-jackasses, the ladies are the first to leave while us guys fight.

    How about a "Tsaikette Day" of some sort? :?


  366. Kevin:

    I like not liking them??? :lol:

    I dunno... Im tired and it's too humid.. :twisted:


  367. Stephen Tsai:

    All I know is that it's football season, and that's way better than this being the middle of June, and I'm bored out of my mind.


  368. Old Diver:

    #367

    ST,

    That's why in June, I'm here.


  369. Slugger:

    Prayers for Mr. Kymry and Barbie...and you Hawaiianbod...

    Liked that *zapped* comment. :D


  370. Stephen Tsai:

    SteveM
    That part bothers me, too.
    There were a lot of complaints.


  371. tom mui:

    Speaking of coaches that we might like to see - (John?) Smith - was HC at Wyoming and Michigan State. However, Upper Campus may have to get officials from SEC, Big-10.

    Nah - I like Coach Mac.


  372. Stephen Tsai:

    SteveM
    I don't like making rules.
    It was so frustrating dealing with someone with absolutely no social skills or manners. I felt like either a social worker or preschool teacher.


  373. postmanke:

    Mike Leach would be an interesting interview... Hope New Mexico goes after him.. MWC be a better conference with Mike Leach.


  374. Stephen Tsai:

    I think Leach would come here for $600,000 as an offensive coordinator. No way he'll take that pay for a head coach, especially since he's tight with Mack.


  375. RedZone:

    Would Leach change the offense?


  376. postmanke:

    hey maybe if he's tight with Mack they can talk Sonny Dykes and his offense this week?


  377. postmanke:

    wait Mack was there too.. never mind Mack get em..


  378. Stephen Tsai:

    Problem with UH is there's never a follow-up plan.
    UH wanted to get rid of Riley Wallace, but it waited forever to name a successor.
    UH wanted to get rid of Mike Wilton. Took forever to name a successor.


  379. A-joe:

    316- I'm sorry but, something's not right. That figure just doesn't add up.

    By the amount of people that have professed to me they were UH fans even through the "Von Appen Years" that average number should be closer 70,000!


  380. d1shima:

    Greetings fellow Five-0 refugees...


  381. RedZone:

    I watched the Miss St vs LA Tech earlier today. I really like Dykes offense. He even threw in a tightend for a series to change things up. He varied the tempo of the offense and also went no huddle. I expect to see a lot of five receivers in the upcoming game. We need to put our best db on their go to receiver Patton. That freshman quarterback he has is for real. He is going to win some big games for them.


  382. d1shima:

    Hoping for what's best for Mr. KymryKauai.


  383. d1shima:

    RedZone,

    Not to mention what he'll do for the Booster Club in Ruston!


  384. madeinhawaii:

    A-joe...

    Das right.. but you gotta interpolate.. you see every Von Appen game felt twice as long...so the peeps started to fall asleep near halftime.. including the person in charge of counting heads.... and when your eyes get bleary .. you yawn and start seeing double... still following me... ?


  385. postmanke:

    375- not sure if he'd change the offense. but for sure they'll be no more cry babies on his team. Man up and sit in timeout!


  386. Hawaiianbod:

    eBolla must have LIKED tonight's MNF game...there was a whole lotta kickin going on!
    (sorry, i kno it's lame, but i just couldn't resist). heheh


  387. postmanke:

    Wonder if La Tech RB Creer and Edwards played on the same team @ Tenn?

    but whatever, Masch needs to take someone out as payback period!


  388. madeinhawaii:

    Dunno if all of you have been following OldDiver's analysis of the Warrior Offense on SportsHawaii.. but he does make some interesting observation of the Offensive playmaking strategy in terms of time before ball release...

    http://www.sportshawaii.com/sh/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=40394

    Keep in mind he's been doing this for all four games.


  389. Old Diver:

    Former Michigan State head coach John Smith. Wasn't he the guy with mental problems?


  390. madeinhawaii:

    Whoops.. it's that time again.. 9:30...
    Time to go vote ..

    Vote where, you ask?

    Vote for Coach Mack!
    http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Vote.aspx?cid=115#fbid=1u43ouAEBOX

    Vote Moniz for the O'Brien Award
    http://www.voteobrien.org/login.asp

    mahalo!


  391. madeinhawaii:

    Old Diver...

    Aren't all guys that show up with mental problems tagged as "John Smith"?

    ... oh wait..

    ...no..

    that would be John Doe..

    Smith's cousin..

    sorry.


  392. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #378,

    This is one of the reasons why extending coach Mack's contract is a good idea.

    Simply not being satisfied with someone isn't a plan. Though I highly doubt UHAD or upper campus is unsatisfied with Mack.

    For Coach Mack to be willing to take a 25%+ cut in pay is commendable. UH needs to bargain in good faith. One of the things you take from Mack is that he is genuine. He may not be the best public speaker or Chris Peterson on the football field, but he is a person I think we can trust. If he says he wants to be here and wants to make the contract work, I think its in UH's interest to step up as well.

    And even if UH wanted a change, who makes the short list?


  393. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Speaking of MIA...Where is Curt and BleedGreen?


  394. empty:

    ST - In all the talks between UH and the MWC, do they take into consideration the amount of basketball games in the pay per view package and discount the amount collected by Oceanic? It seems that I never hear anything about a discounted amount when they talk about the money colleted for pay per view.

    Go Warriors.

    My score for La Tech and UH is: UH 21 - La Tech 14


  395. postmanke:

    John Smith - please no cry babies - too much complaining when his team gets their ass kicked.


  396. A-joe:

    As per JD-

    UH wants Mac and Gib. They've agreed to the numbers being offered. There's just language in the contract that need to be ironed out.
    -
    -
    -
    MIH- so you're saying the figure is closer to 140,000? Clearly, I've underestimated. =)


  397. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    A-Joe,

    Did you get this info today? If so, that's a good sign things are working out.


  398. Bowwar:

    Keep Mack! He has kept our program clean & has maintained a winning record!


  399. madeinhawaii:

    A-joe..

    You might not be far off.. the house was packed.. ask all the local bars...

    And there was no pay-per-view, back then.

    Come to think of it.. what count would you add to the attendance for pay-per-view? JD says the revenues from Pay-per-view added to ticket sales is equivalent to a sell-out for every game.


  400. jm2375:

    400?


  401. Stephen Tsai:

    Empty:
    Excellent point. Women's volleyball and men's basketball should be exempt from the MWC agreement. But, alas, I think the thinking is the contract is based mostly on football. I'm sure there's a formula, though, to separate the entities.


  402. Stephen Tsai:

    A-Joe:
    Good point on the "vonAppen years."
    I know it's supposed to show loyalty that people are faithful through bad times. But a lot of people become fans during the good times, and that's not so bad. I know if your Little League team is called the Cardinals, you might be a fan of the Cardinals. Or if you like gold, you might be a fan of the Saints, because of the helmet. But there's no shame in people saying: Hey, I'm a UH fan because of Chad Owens or Colt Brennan or Davone Bess.


  403. A-joe:

    397- IWWTHM- that was per our meeting a few weeks ago.


  404. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc:

    Wow! Over 200 posts since I left about 1:30 pm to go to three meetings, one social event, and a stop at Kaiser for a blood draw between meetings two & three.

    Would someone please tell me off the blog who it is that distresses Our Host? The people who usually attack my comments do not attack me personally so I don't get bent.

    Is there anyone here who can attend the Board of Regents meeting on Thursday in Hilo and eport back to us? Here's the Agenda http://www.hawaii.edu/offices/bor/regular/notice/20110929.regular.pdf

    Have two 9 am meetings tomorrow so it's time to do some housework and head of to bed. DrDoc is covering one of the 9 am-ers for me.

    Garret: The cutbacks in External Funds represent only one out of twelve months - the first in the new fiscal year. I'll post the updates on a regular basis. Next month will be August funding awards.

    Nightall


  405. Stephen Tsai:

    I actually thought vonAppen was going to work out.
    He installed the West Coast Offense, which was in vogue at the time. He brought over Guy Benjamin, who ran that offense, and Ken Margerum, who actually had an original Bill Walsh playbook. Tom Williams was a rising star as a coach, Buck Dillon was experienced, and Don Lindsey really knew his stuff.
    And then it fell apart.
    And then the offense changed each of the next two years.


  406. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    A-joe,

    Ah ok. I remember that too. Maybe somewhere, somehow something broke down and they are back to the drawing board. Hard luck.


  407. tom mui:

    ST #313 and follow-ups ...

    Peace is wonderful!

    Prayers for Mr. KymryKauai


  408. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    ST,

    How important do you think it is for UH to retain Mack?


  409. kawika49:

    #409 For continued improvement and stability, retaining Mack and his staff is vital.


  410. izzy:

    Why Mack's contract should be extended:

    Year Overall % WAC % Place Post
    1999 9–4 5–2 T–1st W Oahu
    2000 3–9 2–6 T–6th
    2001 9–3 5–3 T–4th
    Total 21- 16 56.75 12 - 11 52.17 1 appearance

    2002 10–4 7–1 2nd L Hawaii

    2008 7–7 5–3 T–2nd L Hawaii
    2009 6–7 3–5 T–5th
    2010 10–4 7–1 T–1st L Hawaii
    Total 23 - 18 56.09 15 - 9 62.50 2 appearances

    2011 ?

    Most notable is Mack's WAC record vs JJ's.


  411. postmanke:

    I'm a fan of UH Football cause of Larry Goeas. He was cool and my neighbor and let me wear his helmet when I was a kid.


  412. cocobean:

    Assuming Mack gets a three year extention UH won't be in the market for a new coach until 2016. Hope UH goes for a young up and comer. Rolo is a fan favorite but i like A. Klemm better.

    Klemm is familiar with the Island lifestyle, a proven recruiter and probably won't change the O. having played in the system and is currently on JJ's staff.


  413. madeinhawaii:

    I'm a fan of UH Football because my Dad was a fan.


  414. Old Diver:

    postmanke,

    Didn't Goeas used to live in Niu Valley?


  415. postmanke:

    moving forward into the MWC is not the time for overhaul. retain, maintain and drive forward. Rolo should be top of the list.


  416. postmanke:

    Diver - Kaneohe when he played at UH


  417. Old Diver:

    #413

    MIH, I became a fan when I started to go to games in the late sixties with my uncle. He finally gave up his tickets this year because he was having trouble walking down the stairs since there were no hand rails. Of course I go to the stadium and poof, there are the handrails.


  418. madeinhawaii:

    Why does it seem that when the football team seems to be getting on track and heading in the right direction, someone on top throws a wrench in the system? Fear of flying? Personal Politics?


  419. madeinhawaii:

    By the way? Is Coach Gibb's contract signed?


  420. Old Diver:

    #416

    I see, I live close to his childhood home in Niu Valley.


  421. AlaWai:

    The task of negotiating with Coach Mac should be taken out of the hands of the BOR and left to JD and a special selection committee. The BOR doesn't seem to have a clue about how this delay affects the football program. The BOR wants a winning program but is not qualified to perform the process. Its like husbands selecting their wives gynecologist based on the MD's golf handicap.


  422. madeinhawaii:

    Old Diver...

    Too little too late, eh? Hopefully that won't be the case with our winning, and program building coaches.


  423. Stephen Tsai:

    I think Mack is seeking only a two-year extension.
    I think that coincides with the graduation of his grandson at Kaiser.


  424. AlaWai:

    ...Success for the football team requires stability in its coaching staff. Mac is the father/uncle/grandfather figure which fits Hawai`i well. Aranda, Rolo and younger coaches are the future and energy and they must be kept at all costs. The important thing to remember is that success begins with little things, like shower soap. Remember?


  425. madeinhawaii:

    Two years doesn't sound too hard to do.
    Three years to get Rolo and Aranda firmly established and hopefully build a solid rep for them among recruiting hopefuls and high school coaches..

    Who will be head coach? Rolo or Aranda? I'd rather not speculate till the three seasons have passed.


  426. AlaWai:

    ST, a two year extension with a planned succession plan with a predetermined successor makes sense. Who would a logical successor be?


  427. madeinhawaii:

    Looks like Jamora and Manley are both out for the season with torn ACLs... too bad.


  428. Slugger:

    ST ~ Thank you for clearing the blog of the negativity.

    Might see ya at practice. Guess I should go to bed now so I can get outta here in time tmwr.

    Night all!


  429. madeinhawaii:

    AlaWai...

    Would you prefer a Defensive mnded Head Coach or Offensive minded one? Which one can recruit the islands better? Which can give us more wins? RnS..?


  430. Old Diver:

    #421

    AlaWai,

    The BOR directed JD to run the athletic like a business. They clearly forgot to send the memo to themselves.


  431. Old Diver:

    athletic department


  432. postmanke:

    Rolo and Aranda could junk-an-a-po and I bet we don't see too much of a drop off.. But Rolo's top rated O in country. if I were an agent I'd pick him to be my client.


  433. kama krab:

    Howzit Everybody,

    Been just lurking around and gotta say that I would also retain Mack for another couple of years. If all he is asking for is another two years, then that is fine. I was actually thinking another four.

    I think he has proven to be a stabilizing force for our program and is a true Warrior. He thinks about the student-athlete not the other way around. He hasn't always been the most articulate speaker or the best strategist but he has always seemed to fix what was broken. He has not been always on it in recruiting but has seemed to get solid talent each year. I don't always care for the man but I will say that I would be very upset if the man wasn't given atleast a two year extension as requested.


  434. madeinhawaii:

    Mack made himself sort of like an arbitrator between the coaching staff. Delegate authority but when questions or disagreement arises and a decision has to be made, it's up to him to make the final decision. That might be really missed when one of the two rises to the top.


  435. らす べがす:

    how did my post disapear, but my Pomai prediction somehow remain?
    Was it THAT semi-negative?


  436. madeinhawaii:

    Two or three more solid years of recruiting and this program could really do wonders. We've come to expect 8 or more wins each season even when we have only two starters on Offense... soon it could be nine.. ten.. and more. That higher level of expectation is a reflection of the Coaching staff.

    Anyway.. time for me to get some shut eye.. night folks!


  437. kama krab:

    As a defensive coach myself, I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Aranda or even Tuioti becoming the next coach of Hawaii but as we all know, the O sells the tickets. So with that I wouldn't mind seeing an offensive minded HC, whether it be Rolo, Klemm, or another offensive guru.

    For argument sake though, I think Rolo would be somewhere close to the top of the wish list.


  438. Stephen Tsai:

    Collateral damage.
    Post was next to a post that was being deleted.


  439. madeinhawaii:

    Rolo's also more visible as he is on the sidelines, which probably adds to his popularity with the fans. Aranda is quietly tucked high and away during the game.


  440. kawika49:

    Mack is at the stage of his career, when he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone but himself. He has shown, that he is a capable coach. He is not averse to working with previous coaches in order to move the program forward. From my observations, it is not an ego thing it is a continuum thing. Ironically, when he was hired; I thought he would be either revolutionary, or very conservative. However in watching his decisions in the recent past I have seen:

    His ability to maintain and encourage his younger coaches.
    Bring back former head coaches, to help the program.
    Speak plainly.
    Care for the players.
    But most of all, show respect.

    I truly believe, in order to move forward, we need Mack more; than he needs UH.

    Why? Lack of ego.


  441. kawika49:

    Further-more, rather than Aranda, or Rolo; the glue that has made the walk on program work is neither of the aformentioned two. I truly believe that Rich Miano can nurture the program more than his associates, going forward.


  442. LizKauai (macbook):

    Thank you all for keeping Mr. Kymry in your thoughts... it's a very important time for them.

    Please, UH. This is the time to enable our coaches to concentrate on the work at hand by giving them some job security. Two years is a good time for everyone. Two years will make a good transition if change is coming. Please do this for the benefit of all. Do this for yourselves.

    Tsweet Warrior Dreams!


  443. Hawaiianbod:

    g'night LizK...and everyone else!

    continued healing prayers for Mr Kymry, Barbi (Keahi's mom) and Lynn Shoji.

    thanks Slugger!


  444. al:

    just wondering aloud...

    so, i can see why there is concern by the upper and lower campus regarding mack's contract extension or lack of.

    there's been a few public appearances that went awry and some near misses. a warning in fact was served to the hc. mack has shown recently his displeasure towards all the nick picking in a rather visible form these days during his public appearances. he has also taken it out on the press in a rather harsh manner. he needs to be mindful of the gag order placed upon him early in his tenure or he could by his own accord end the negotiations by cause.

    the coach should also be mindful that he doesn't have the greatest bargaining power either. in three seasons there has been only one winning season. the first two ending at 7-7, 6-7, before last years double digit wins.

    attendance is down. attendance is the prime income for this business. a ceo never gets awarded when sales are down.

    we have not faired well in nationally televised broadcasts. we are 0 for in bowl games. probably the one most significant game has turned in to a debacle twice now. how important is the season ending bowl game to season ticket sales and post season hype? don't blame it on the finals, it is after all a part of the day in the life of a college student.

    as pride. noted earlier, we haven't beaten too many notable and worth opponents lately either.

    so, i can see why it is tough to gain ground in the negotiations and/or hard for the decision makers to pull the trigger.

    we, the fans, should not concern ourselves that so goes the head coach so goes the run n shoot that we have come to love. the spread offense a.k.a. the run and shoot is taking over the ncaa world in some shape or manner. i am sure that the next coach whomever it may be or whenever that will be will be queried by the selection panel as to the kind of game he would employ.

    so many subliminal messages abound regarding this subject matter and how it is unfolding or rather the lack of unfolding at this stage.

    que sera sera,
    what will be will be.

    ...nuff said.


  445. wafan:

    A brighter and clearer Tuesday to all!


  446. wafan:

    Well, except for the PNW, anyhow.

    Cloudy with rain.

    Tsigh.


  447. wafan:

    Continued prayers and positive thoughts for Mr. Kimry and everyone else in need.


  448. wafan:

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  449. Pomai:

    #4444 - al - Have to disagree with your thought "a ceo never gets awarded when sales are down." there have been many that have even when the company is going down the tube they still get their big bonuses.

    IMHO I don't care if you like Mack or not, now is not the time to be messing around with the head coach position, with going into the MWC next season.


  450. Garret:

    Hawaii $1,113,004.
    Freesno State $999,309.

    Pride,

    That is Hill's old salary. Hill agreed to an extension at a $650k salary that is about what UH wants Mack to have.

    "I didn't do it to be a hero or a martyr. I did it because it was the right thing to do in this situation," Hill says, pointing to layoffs, furloughs and program cuts across the cash-strapped Fresno State campus.

    Hill also lost over $300k in side money that he used to get in addition to his much bigger salary under his old contract.

    Atop his base salary and pay for consulting services — TV, radio, Internet and other public appearances — Hill's current contract provides an annual $200,000 lump-sum payment and an escalating deferred payment that, this year, tops $100,000. Those six-figure extras were taken out of his new deal.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2010-12-07-pat-hill-coaches-salary-cover_N.htm


  451. Garret:

    Wow, I went away from the blog for 12 hours or so and it sounds like I missed some things.


  452. Pride.:

    Garret:
    September 27th, 2011 at 4:47 am

    Hawaii $1,113,004.
    Freesno State $999,309.

    Pride,

    That is Hill's old salary. Hill agreed to an extension at a $650k salary that is about what UH wants Mack to have.

    Yes you are right Garret. That's an awesome move by coach Hill.

    Pride.:
    September 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    WAC coaches 2010 salaries:

    Hawaii $1,113,004.
    Freesno State $999,309.


  453. gmahoney:

    Garrett, it happens to me all the time. I check the blog in the morning before work and after I get home. Something happens, posts get deleted, someone gets the boot and I am left to wonder. The BlogMeister is in charge, keeping the Blog safe for all. Thanks, ST.


  454. らす べがす:

    let me get this straight
    Instead of using a sniper rifle to delete posts
    ST uses a grenade launcher that produces "Collateral damage"
    hmmm, I wonder if that happened to the T shirt I won some months ago?


  455. d1shima:

    Great Morning All!

    GO WARRIORS!

    GO WILDCATS X 2!


  456. Stephen Tsai:

    Send me your address again.
    Email is stsai@staradvertiser.com


  457. Annoddah Dave:

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    Just wondering...went to LV for game and saw many fans leaving in the 3d quarter. Went to UC-Davis game and saw many fans leaving in the 3d quarter. Are these people fans? Why spend the money to seat in a seat that is barely warm, only to leave? I stay till the alma mater. I guess I am strange.


  458. Wes'side Warrior:

    Morning, everyone!

    Lots of interesting discussion on conference merry-go-rounds, LaTech, coach contracts, etc.

    I thought Coach Hill was basically forced into his huge pay cut due to the UC system financially failing.

    LaTech's coach is sounding pretty confident going into this weekend's matchup against the Warriors. Of course, we've given them more reason to doubt our abilities after our first road trip. This is a seriously huge game. Hope our boyz play with fire and passion from start to FINISH, and build on what they accomplished this past weekend.

    In my opinion, this is definitely the wrong time to play with and delay coach contracts, especially for football and basketball. I still haven't heard if they finished Coach Gib's contract. But, as we complete our WAC play, and move into a new era, we need continuity more than ever. Coach Mac has been taking care of academics, while moving the football team in a positive direction.

    Thanks to the WAC, the old 6-teams-playing-5-years-together continuity rule was changed. I'd expect the NCAA to rule in favor of the Big Least, if something like this were to happen again. However, despite what the BCS says about the Big Least's AQ status, I find it absurd that they may keep that status, if they lose recognition as being an FBS conference to begin with. We'll see how this all plays out.

    Anyways, prayers to Mr. Kymry, Lynn Shoji, and Barbi!


  459. d1shima:

    Talk about road woes...

    LaVerne Leopards made the trip to McMinnville last Saturday via an 18-hour bus ride. They got pasted, 3-52 then got back on the bus for the 18-hour bus ride back to SoCal! Yikes!


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