Ex factor
By Stephen Tsai
UH decided to leave the WAC before, it appears, WAC commissioner Karl Benson will leave the WAC (reportedly for the Sun Belt Conference), and upon reflection, these soon-to-be exes had a good marriage.
Sure, Benson has absorbed the heat for the misfortunes that probably will lead to the downfall of the WAC, at least as a football conference. But he was acting within the parameters set by the school leaders who often made decisions that minimized Benson's bargaining options.
But Benson has always been good to UH. He played a role in the creation of the Hawaii Bowl. He never made UH pay for travel subsidies. And when the Warriors had problems filling out the 2007 schedule, he tried to find opponents. When that failed, he set the schedule that built its way to the showdown between UH and Boise State, a dramatic part of the Warriors' unbeaten 2007 regular season. He even created an All-WAC category — best unit — to honor Colt Brennan and the UH receivers. (That category was discontinued after that year.)
Every time a team would depart, it was up to Benson to find a replacement. That wasn't easy, especially with the limited number of football-playing schools in the Mountain and Pacific time zones. He added Boise State when many in the country thought its campus was in Iowa. He added Nevada and Utah State, and most recently, Texas State and Texas-San Antonio. Trouble is, it's difficult being a Billy Beane counter when the Mountain West is the Yankees, poaching away the WAC's best free agents. It was a couple of years ago when Benson had a plan in which BYU would jump to the WAC as a non-football member. It would have triggered a domino effect in which the WAC would emerge as the superior conference to the MWC. Of course, Nevada and Fresno State freaked out by jumping to the MWC before the plan could be finalized. Yes, folks, that's the lesson: Never count on Nevada and Fresno State to be wingmen.
By any means, Benson is not a perfect commissioner. But he is a friend to UH.
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Happy birthday to truegreen.
The Warrior Beat
February 15th, 2012 at 8:09 am
mornin
February 15th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Never count on Nevada and Fresno State, period.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:14 am
ST:
I do not know if I can agree with your assessment of Benson.
Perhaps, he did many things that were unfavorable to UH and perhaps to the detriment of the WAC.
Surely, no one can beat "the fumbler"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 15th, 2012 at 8:14 am
even tho didn't appear to be "friendly" to UH ....
" ... But Benson has always been good to UH. He played a role in the creation of the Hawaii Bowl. He never made UH pay for travel subsidies. And when the Warriors had problems filling out the 2007 schedule, he tried to find opponents. When that failed, he set the schedule that built its way to the showdown between UH and Boise State, a dramatic part of the Warriors' unbeaten 2007 regular season. He even created an All-WAC category — best unit — to honor Colt Brennan and the UH receivers. (That category was discontinued after that year.) ... "
Thank you, Karl.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:16 am
correction to # 4. "even tho he didn't appear to be "friendly" to UH ...."
February 15th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Benson also told UTEP and UNLV about the plan before the first phase with BYU was finished, with word getting back to the MWC's commissioner (UTEP told the CUSA commissioner, the CUSA commissioner told the MWC's commissioner). Without advance knowledge, the MWC wouldn't have been able to respond like they did.
BYU had already indicated that they were NOT guaranteed to join the WAC for non-football sports, as Benson was reportedly insisting on a multi-year commitment from BYU while the WCC allowed BYU to have a year-by-year agreement so that BYU could join a bigger conference at anytime.
I do think that several current WAC schools will be invited by Benson to join the Sun Belt shortly after he starts there on April Fool's Day. One thing that Benson has proven: he's a survivor and no matter what his conference will survive and he'll keep getting that $400k+ salary with great travel benefits.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Trying to help UH fill the 2007 schedule and failing is a good analogy for Benson--good ideas (like the Project) that didn't work out.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Morning everyone
February 15th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I *still* haven't forgiven Benson from publicly saying that Boise State getting into the MWC would be a "reward" for Boise State's good play in the WAC. Benson said this a year before Boise State left when the WAC was still trying to get respect in comparison to the MWC.
I understand Boise State campaigning to get in to a conference they think is better. I do NOT understand Benson lobbying for his highest-profile school to get into another non-AQ conference in the same geographical footprint.
I do NOT see how anything Benson said about Boise State's "reward" by getting into the MWC benefited UH or any other WAC school...and I thought that the #1 job for conference commissioners was to try to boost the schools left in their conference, not praise schools that are trying to leave.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:26 am
GOOD MORNING HAWAII!
Top something or the other.
Benson did try his best. Whether his best was good enough may be debated.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:28 am
East Carolina's Chancellor Steve Ballard gave a *lot* of information on the MWC/CUSA conference that UH will be joining. He said that the new league will be finalized and named by May or earlier if the lawyers finish quicker.
He said that the new conference will add 2-4 members by this summer to get between 18 to 20 teams. He said that the conference may go to 24 or *30* schools in a few years.
He said that the MWC/CUSA are already negotiating with 3 TV networks and all 3 have very high interest. He says that each school will get more TV money than they currently get in CUSA and MWC.
http://www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/index.php?showtopic=39081
February 15th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Like I've said, most of the blame for the ills of the WAC fall on the presidents.
The presidents wanted to expand from 10 to 16 teams, and it was eight presidents who met in secret to create the MWC. And they didn't just bolt, they took the TV contract that was supposed to go to the WAC. It was like an ad exec who starts a company, then takes clients from his old company.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Garret:
Refresh me. When/where did Benson make the "reward" comment?
February 15th, 2012 at 8:32 am
#9 Wasn't he simply stating the truth? Aren't we headed to the MWC by choice?
Would you respect him more if he said the "politically correct" statement that most familiar with the strength of conferences would dismiss?
February 15th, 2012 at 8:32 am
No such nirvana as perfect.
What grade would you give Benson?
He was payed top $ to perform. So if graded a C ( Average), would that reduce his pay to half?
Would he defend himself as saying " It could be worse?"
The schools deserve "It should be better" instead.
Now more schools to manage with this mega conference. Can't accept average.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:33 am
I will follow ST's lead and lay off of Benson now. Benson did try to help UH at times (which is the job of the conference commissioner of course), but it just never seemed to me that he tried 1/4 as hard to help UH as he tried to help Boise State.
But he did try, I'll give him that. Since I'm going to stop criticizing him, I won't provide the long list of schools that left the WAC under his leadership, or go into detail about how Benson sees that WAC football will be dead soon and thus is jumping to the Sun Belt. For Benson's long years with the WAC (aside from the past year or so), the WAC was significantly superior to the Sun Belt...but now the Sun Belt is apparently more desirable than the WAC, just ask Benson.
Okay, I guess now I'll really stop.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:35 am
ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:
All the machinations of the past will continue in the future, unfortunately. Core values of the people in leadership positions appears to never include the greater good, rather, only the best interest of their own. That is why UH will always be the ugly sister amongst them. If we had big bucks, that would be a different story, we would be the darling of the ball. In a way, JJ's idea of making the Asia market a part of UH is provocative...but, it seems like thousands of miles away in the future, figuratively and literally.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:35 am
ST,
I posted the article and those comments here. I only have 5 minutes left before I have to get back to work, but I'll look for it later.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:36 am
The term "Trying" and being payed top dollar with that top title doesn't compute.
Trying hard but not achieving expected results is for the ones still learning.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Garret:
I didn't ask anyone to follow my lead.
People are entitled to their own opinions.
I just don't recall that Benson statement.
From conversations with Benson, I do know he was pissed at teams for leaving the WAC.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Good morning everyone!
ST -- interesting view on Benson. Thanks. You have the long perspective from your UH football coverage over the years, so will give him a "pass" in a pass/fail grading system.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:39 am
anytime someone defends themselves with the reponse " I'm Trying", respond with " "Trying to do what?"
The two words, Trying and Fair, are such broad based. Need to define to understand.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Re: Salary
This goes back to the presidents, who paid him that salary.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:41 am
TCU is in big, big trouble if what one of their players said is true. Scroll down to the last page:
Brock says that he definitely failed a surprise drug test but that he wouldn't be punished because about 60 players would have to be kicked off the team if they were enforcing things. He and a teammate said that only 20 or so TCU players would pass a drug test.
http://media.star-telegram.com/smedia/2012/02/15/11/20/5m7vO.So.58.PDF
February 15th, 2012 at 8:43 am
The point is, there will never be another commissioner as friendly to UH as Benson.
The MWC or the new league isn't going to help UH on the issues of subsidies or scheduling. With that big of a conference, who knows if even Hawaii's automatic berth to the Hawaii Bowl can be guaranteed in the future. If say half of the 18-24 teams are bowl eligible, where are you going to find 9-12 bowl berths, especially since the teams can't play each other?
February 15th, 2012 at 8:47 am
ST:
I too recall Benson's statement that it was a "reward" for Boise St.
IINM, he even stated that he would "assist" them in their move to the MWC. Very difficult to believe/understand why a conference commissioner would actually help a defecting school leave the conference.
I would think that Benson would try to convince Boise St to stay like he did for UH when it made the decision to leave the WAC - u know, incentives to stay. Perhaps, the school Presidents tied his hand on this and many more issues.
Can't help but remember how Fraiser took credit for UH WVB success under his "tenure" when searching for a new job. Believe it was reported by Temple in a press release announcing his hiring. Did it also inclulde football and resuregence of baseball?
My memory is really bad - purposefully or not!
February 15th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I don't doubt what anybody is saying.
I just don't recall it.
Like I said, I know he was pissed. He didn't even want to go to the Boise-Virginia Tech game.
It is interesting that Boise will be a non-football WAC member. Then again, that might have more to do with the WAC trying to stick it to the MWC.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Anyway, I'll be back in a bit. Have a phone chat with UCLA's Al Scates now.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:04 am
ST - I agree with you completely. People criticize Benson for a lot. But I have one question - what REALISTICALLY, could he have done? That is not a rhetorical question. Making a stupid comment about BSU leaving is not what led to the downfall of the WAC. One noteworthy criticism of ST's that I do agree with is not having the WAC tourneys at a member school and not having the WAC office near one of the member schools.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Interesting article on SI.com about the Pac-12 and the start-up of their network. In particular...
"
But it's not enough to simply get the games on the air. Not surprisingly, the same commissioner that traveled to China in December to discuss staging Pac-12 sporting events there wants his league's networks to break new ground in the arena of sports television"
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/stewart_mandel/02/15/pac-12.networks/index.html#ixzz1mTqFWfHQ
UH should be more proactive in this area given our relative distance as compared to the PAC-12 schools and the popularity of Hawaii as a vacation destination in China and Japan.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Regarding Benson, I think he tried and really what more could he do? It's like dating. You'd be happy with a hooters waitress. But you'd be REALLY happy with Kate Upton! Same like every school in the WAC.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Not surprised that ST is praising Peanut. If fact, I expected it.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am
#28:
SIT DOWN, AL!!!!!!!!!!
February 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Don't mess with Texas. Those TCU players gonna find out the hard way. They will be prosecuted like they were actual players in a mexican drug cartel. They will get ran through the coals, lose their scholarships, and ran out of town.....for a measly 1/2 oz of the sticky icky. Po ho.
BIK
February 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Wasn't Buford T. Justice from Texas?
BIK
February 15th, 2012 at 9:41 am
I remember at a news conference Benson wore an eye patch because of a recent surgery.
Neal Farmer from the Houston Chronicle asked: "Where's your parrot?"
February 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am
okay...that was moderately funny. i suppose you forgot to tell us that the patch was black.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:46 am
mcb:
You're right that the WAC tourneys should be at a member school.
And I never did understand why the WAC office remained in Colorado.
If I were running the WAC, I would have had media day in Bristol, Conn.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:46 am
some are saying that fehoko will now visit lsu next weekend and then render a decision the following week.
of course time is ticking.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am
38...that's one way to rack up the miles.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:49 am
if we are fortunate enough, we could land two rebounders aka bouncebackers who tip the scales at 300+.
but, thats another story that has to wait until the summer.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:52 am
The WAC used to be fun.
I remember when Andy Katz started covering basketball for the Albuquerque Journal. He was a good guy to hang out with. He had to make a career choice. One of the offers was with the Fresno Bee. The pay wasn't very good. Katz asked Riley Wallace, who advised him: Go to Fresno and follow Tark; Tark is the story.
Turned out to be good advice.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am
morning 808
I wish Beson well but agree with most of the sentiments others have posted.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Shouldn't Fehoko be nearing the five-visit limit by now?
If an SEC school wants him, go there. It's only two years.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:54 am
riley has been known for his wisdom unbeknownst to many.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
i believe this will be his and final tour.hat
it seems like they've all jumped on the bandwagon and to think he was literally overlooked. i believe that nc had him as priority from early on, but, now look.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
I think UH has a lot more problems than Benson, such as why a school would house its most important documents in a wooden portable building?
February 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Fehoko -
Polynesia's team awaits. Be someplace where people can truly appreciate you for who you are. Nuff said.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:59 am
There has to be something we're missing here.
Grades? Family?
Something doesn't seem right.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:00 am
kden to be clear not Benson fan
February 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
47...i thought so too. i didn't hear too much about any backup files???
February 15th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I guess with the fire, UH has entered the 21st century...
paperless bookeeping....
February 15th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I agree Benson didnt have much to work with. Did a good job
February 15th, 2012 at 10:03 am
i am thinking that norm would not pursue someone if he had poor grades, etc.
he still list us in his top 3 schools. maybe his heart wants him in hawaii, but, his advisors are telling him to go "bigtime".
February 15th, 2012 at 10:04 am
52...hahahaha
February 15th, 2012 at 10:05 am
UH has flexibility if he wishes to come.
But it also has established that no player is bigger than the team.
It's his call ... until it's not his call.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am
the next two years for any jc transfer is critical if you have nfl aspirations. but, where would you go to a school where they are looking for bench depth or to one who is looking for a starter.
one with a community/teammates that is akin to your heritage"
what's important?
February 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am
he seems like a very humble young man.
but, understandibly so, the door will soon close shut by default if not because of another recruit taking the opening.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Benson did great. He was successful in keeping the WAC together as a football conference after the eight schools left to form the Mountain West. As ST wrote, he brought in Boise St., Nevada and Utah St. Interesting that it was Boise St. that started the migration to other conferences which was soon followed by Nevada. Talk about "e tu brutus." So the circle is complete with the departure of Hawaii for greener? pastures. Still Benson fought, bringing in UT-San Antonio and Texas St. Now he moves to the Sun Belt. Interesting. So, who is the Sun Belt? Arkansas St., Florida Atla, LA Lafayette, LA Monroe , Middle Tenn. St.
North Texas , Troy, and West. Kentucky. Eight schools. Hummm, Makes lots of sense to me. Bring Benson over to orchestrate the dissolution of the WAC and move some teams like LaTech, Texas St., UT-San Antonio and one more over to have a 12-team conference. The Mountain West/C-USA looking to add three to four teams. Well, how about Idaho, Utah St., New Mexico St. and San Jose St.?
February 15th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Fehoko? Hawaii does not need another OG. Warriors need depth at Center. Where is Patrick Hughes? Wonder why Sione Lavaka ended up at Northern Arizona.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am
the wac has been a tough sell ever since the mass exodus.
its gonna be even tougher down the road. already the rumor buzzing about is that the short list of the mwc/cusa has utah state, san jose st, and possibly la tech as incoming members as soon as next year.
others include temple, fla international, and others on the eastern front.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Wow, "UH Week" is over for now - 6 straight nights at SSC. You win some, you lose some....overall, feels good to support the Green & White (and black). The Grand Slam on Monday night was fabulous. Coach Trap and his team do such a great job. It was nice seeing the A-Houses, chawan and others that evening. We'll be ready for Scates and Mr. Eyebrows, Gonzalo, this Friday. BTW ST...I like your ideas about shortening the MVB matches. Can Oceanic at least eliminate the break immediately? And yes...too bad Rubberband Man was almost forgotten on Friday, I think. We have to change that this coming Friday.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:27 am
60...sione lavaka did not get accepted to the university of hawaii.
center you say...see #41.
patrick hughes was a shaw recruit, i believe, no one's picked him up...what does that subliminal message tell us?
February 15th, 2012 at 10:29 am
62...they could also have the blog host's spouse lead the arena in the "hawaii 5-0" air paddling to get the crowd up.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am
bleedgreen...isn't patrick hughes another og?
February 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am
al: is it safe to say that these two bounceback players are at bcs schools right now?
February 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am
i am beginning to wonder if the post second set break is the brainfart of the concessionaires?
February 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am
66...yes. but, more later. one is almost a certainty while the other may have more of an uphill climb.
we'll just have to see who shows up on campus at least by the second summer session.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Actually, UH helped place Lavaka at Northern Arizona. Tony Tuioti has a cousin there. Problem with Lavaka wasn't his GPA, it was he didn't have enough credits toward his major because he did not go to school immediately after returning from a church mission.
February 15th, 2012 at 10:48 am
30 teams!
Wait....maybe Thompson is tracking Karl Benson's next move as well!
February 15th, 2012 at 10:55 am
gotta respect the opinion of those that actually knows the person who he or she is talking about. ST has interviewed, talked story, and got to know benson for many years. others have known benson through the media and formed their own opinion.
yeah yeah, everyone is entitled to their opinion. go ahead opine away.
Fanaika, at least 2 years in Hawaii? what's better than that? yeah yeah, there are better things but you know what i mean.
February 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
BIG honor for senior Stephanie Ricketts!!!
http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/news/2012/2/15/SB_0215123948.aspx
February 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
re: Benson
The Commissioner serves at the pleasure of the WAC Presidents. If he wasn't representing their interests I'm sure there would have been action taken.
That he is leaving on his own terms is something that many would like to have.
February 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Benson also brought in NMSU and Idaho (along with Utah State) after the defection of teams to Conf USA. It is nuts how many teams have been in (and left) the WAC during Benson's tenure. Fresno State and Hawaii are the only two current teams that did not join under Benson.
All of the conference shuffling is out of control.
February 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Re: #61 . . .
That begs the question . . . if those WAC schools somehow do end up in the newly formed conference, can the WAC still survive at all, e.g. basketball and/or the other "minor" sports? And what would that do to BYU and Boise, especially, with regard to Boise's "football only" status with the Big East?
February 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Good not quite afternoon Tsaikos. Have fun and enjoy.
February 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am
The thing to watch is that this MWC-C-USA thing doesn't get so big that it becomes a real sub-division to the BCS. I mean, it's like that now, but it could officially become that. And that would be sad.
February 15th, 2012 at 11:47 am
al:
looks like your chances of winning a lunch keeps going down
whee are you planning to take Mattboy and me for lunch?
February 15th, 2012 at 11:49 am
#75----- that is a pood point. If the WAC dissolves. What does Boise state do with its other teams.
February 15th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Congratulations, Steph!
February 15th, 2012 at 11:58 am
@77 - Could it be possible that two leagues will eventually form, like the NFL?
February 15th, 2012 at 11:58 am
#79: I, for one, could care less!
Same feelings for the fumbler!!!
February 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I agree with ST on Benson looking out for UH. I would also like to say that I am not a big fan of Benson overall. I don't think the conference is in a better place now than it was.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
nevah mind boise state - they're about gone - good riddance.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
I am not a big fan of what is going on with the MWC. I am crossing my fingers the JD pulls something huge off and gets us in the pac-12 or something.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Hawaii JR college football...
Just a thought, with so many football talents coming out of the State, why don't we have a Community College League?
Not everyone goes to a 4 year college right away due to various reasons such as
-money
-no scholarships
-low SAT or ACT scores
-family emergency/commitments
-overlooked by scout
-trouble with the law
Jr college football gives these athletes a second chance for redemption and success.
For many, this may be their last chance.
Let's say you're a HS Senior, you play football but your grades are low and your talent is raw..not good enough for Div I. You can stay home, get an AA degree and still play football while improving your playing skills. Then you get picked up by a 4 year college to finish your degree after getting your AA - while helping your team immediately.
We have 7 community colleges, here are their student body populations
Honolulu CC = 3,815
Kapiolani = 9,301
LeeWard = 7,942
Windward = 2,625
Maui = 4,367
Kauai = 1,428
Hawaii (Big Island) = 3,815
February 15th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
#63. al,
Yes....Hughes was being recruited by Shaw.
JMHO but Gordy's evaluations on OL prospects were pretty solid....since he recruited Lefotu, Shigematsu, Afusia, Muir, Dew, etc.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Good kine news ...
" ... Navy destroyers named after Hawaii heroes ... "
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Navy_destroyers_named_after_Hawaii_heros.html?id=139381193
February 15th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Everyone always talks about how BIG is football in Hawaii, how its so important in our community, about how many kids we put in the Div I colleges and NFL, yet, we as a state - only have ONE --UNO...1 college football team whether it may be Div I, Div II or JC Level. ......
Just ONE! Why don't football fans, the community and former Hawaii players do something about it.
On top of my JC Idea...
Hawaii can also have their own 4 year, Div II or III or AA or AAA League (dont matter what you call it) and these schools can participate..
1. UH Hilo - 4,974 students
2. UH West Oahu - 1,471
3. Chaminade - 2,822
4. BYU-Hawaii - 2500+
5. HPU - 8000+
February 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
re: D3 football in Hawaii
No mo bus service between Hawaii and other states.
Das how D3 "rolls"
February 15th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
We are struggling to balance the UHAD budget for one D1 program, how will the state and school administration be able to finance a JC circuit in Hawaii, and/or a Div II or III?
Inter island travel costs alone would be unaffordable for the CC. Where's the money coming from-raise tuition, athletic fee, etc. all unacceptable for students looking for cost effective education.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Keoniana, would not title xi come into play if you create football football teams in the community and 4-year colleges for the schools you listed? do they have enough $$ to create these sports plus the women's sports? will sufficient revenue be generated to sustain these sports? just wondering.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Keoniana: I agree with your thoughts regarding a CC football league in Hawaii...Evan Dobelle mentioned it when he was the President of UH but didn't progress any further beyond the rhetoric. I don't think the current president is inclined to promoting sports at the CC level, but I could be wrong...
Yes, it makes perfect sense to provide the opportunities to keep our kids in the islands rather than having them go to JCs on the mainland to play sports and further their education.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
I think Title IX kicks into play whenever there is monies (scholarships) involved...Most JCs and CCs don't provide scholarships. However, I don't see a problem of having CC womens sports as well...
Thing to remember is that these are potential revenue areas as well. Being "community based" these sports could be supported by the host communities.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
CollegeInsider.com Tournament. Is that the same one the BasketBows played in last year?
February 15th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
We might have Benson back as commissoner of MWC if Thompson idea move to Minnesota.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Maybe Benson jumped the gun to Sun Belt like rest of NCAA schools are doing to move up
February 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Is Boise going to play in the WAC for all non-football teams???
February 15th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I think if you watched Taiga drama about how they manipulated and got power, it seems that Benson is a student. We only look at the surface of what is happening, but don't look at the backside of the real happening. He is a very good student and will go far.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
With Thompson contemplating moving out of MWC like Benson, I smell WAC - 16 all over again and Hawaii gets left behind with Rice and UTEP moving in.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Benson and Hedges idea of Joint "Sunny Mountain USA Conference" on April Fools Day.
What head ach or relief that will be?
February 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Al, Patrick Hughes played center for Butte College. As coach Chow said, you recruit a JC player to fill certain positions where you need them to be able to play immediately. Having 2 years experience playing center puts him ahead of anyone else on the current roster who could learn to play the position, but is not game-ready. It is interesting that no one has picked him up yet. I am thinking academics perhaps.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Unlike other sports Football takes up a lot of $$$ to run it and equal opportunity.
Hence, there are lot of conferences without football or had one like Big West.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
ST, thanks for the update on Sione Lavaka. Glad his cousin, TT, could assist in placing him with Northern Arizona.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
The C-USA/Mountain West Conference, by expanding to 24 or 30 teams, really does set the stage that will make it easy for the BCS to force a two-tier separation. I think ST is right on point on this.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Bowwar, my understanding is title xi comes into play when there are educational opportunities and programs, or when receiving federal assistance.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
ahouse...i didn't bet you and mattyboy lunch. you stated that you would buy me lunch if he became a warrior.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
102...i just went off the info on the recruiting boards which declared him an og. but, yah if he is that good somebody would hav scooped him up already. so, you saw the red flag, too right.
who knows...even this late there are always diamonds in t
February 15th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
did al's power get cut off?
February 15th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
There always diamonds in the diamond mines...
February 15th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
aiyah! i meant title ix. don't know schettino about roman numerals.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Thanks to our lady Rep Patsy Mink introduction of Title IX:
http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/title-ix-discrimination-women.htm
February 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Watch out for the food police...
They made a little girl eat chicken nuggets...
"a state agent who was inspecting lunch boxes decided that her packed lunch — which consisted of a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, apple juice and potato chips — “did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines,”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/14/preschoolers-homemade-lunch-replaced-with-nuggets/#ixzz1mV1R65JH
February 15th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
"even this late there are always diamonds in t"
t-ball? get it, baseball diamond...
February 15th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Before Title IX wonder how many NCAA school had football programs or any other men's sports programs got cancelled.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Ipu Man, that is whacked. the packed school lunch the girl had has protein, calcium, potassium, vitamin c, fiber, plus how does that state worker know what she had for breakfast and what she is having for dinner? who said you have to eat your USDA guideline in one meal? stupid government.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
al:
#107 - me tinks you should go back and read our posts - I said no way - you said way - for lunch.
then Mattboy jumps in and makes the same bet, in principle, with you - he and I say "no way" and you said "way"
gettin chicken feet?
February 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Man thats a lot over 40 years of Title IX over 3 million female scholor athletes benifitted thru this program and counting.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Good thing my daughter player soccer since 5 years old.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
the rough.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Happy Birthday truegreen!
February 15th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Speaking of Diamonds in the rough,
Shane Victorino is appearing on the Feb. 20 episode of "Hawaii Five-O" on CBS.
According to CBS, Victorino appears as a business executive on a company retreat. Olympic speed skater Apolo Ohno also appears in the episode as a Hawaiian history buff. The episode centers around the murder of a man dressed as a Hawaiian NaKoa warrior...
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120209&content_id=26632302&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi
February 15th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
mr. ahouse/matty boy
here's the transcripts...
so you see, you guys were so sure of yourselves that you offered to buy me lunch if fehoko faniaka becomes a warrior.
it was a generous offer on both of your parts. therefore, i thanked you two generous souls.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Benson may be a friend to UH athletic dept. but he's no friend of the majority of fans anywhere in the WAC.
Benson will go down as a failure with the fans and the most important person in college sports is "The Fan" without "The Fan" you got nothing.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Good discussion on JC football in Hawaii. Yes it costs money, but there certainly are a lot of upsides to the concept especially in the recruiting area, school morale and just the great opportunity it gives to our kids. It is a real final letdown to be a Hawaii prep and graduate and realize you have no place to lace up the cleats. Some of these JUCO programs are in small towns and are run on small budgets. The leading JUCO teams play across country and travel, and most of the locations are not in the easiest places to visit. If we had some teams, they could host visiting teams from the mainland and this is a great introduction to UH football and a great recruiting opportunity for UH.
I like the idea, maybe not now but in future. Lets keep aiming high for our program. Now this may sound really far out but -- what about a team at the American Samoa Junior College to round things out. They have a great school down there and as we all know a lot of interest in football.
February 15th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
from the evidence provided, there is no bet on al's part. case closed. *gavel sound*
February 15th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
NCL agrees to pay more than half a mill in back wages.
No cheap fairs any more for Hawaii Cruise Line?
February 15th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
good news ( for me )
Ron Jaworski off ESPN's 'Monday Night Football'
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/02/ron-jaworski-off-espns-monday-night-football/1
February 15th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
ai-eee:
He actually wrote a pretty good book a couple of years ago.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Good news for Mon Nights...
but was thrown a curve by the other article link:
Romo settles on $1,575,000 contract with Giants...
So, Dallas needs a new qb...
February 15th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
done deal for KB to Sun Belt - so when will the WAC be invited to the Sun?
February 15th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
going back to title ix, for conversation sake, if a community college football team has 60+ players, does that mean there would need to be additional women sports to also equal 60+ players? if that is the case i don't see where the money would come from especially when it comes to travel, equipment, coaching staff, trainers, and support staff.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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February 15th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Couch potato:
Yes thats why many mens program was killed though out the NCAA school. At many small campus accross the US. Small football programs where still a money maker. Hence dropping the football others such as wrestling, Men's swimming and diving, Men's soccer, Tennis, Gymnastic went on the way side.
That's one reason we don't see any more National winners in Tennis or Men's Gymnastic Gold metal winners from USA. Altho MMA aka wrestling still triving with UFC and others.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Nike is leaving a bad taste in my mouth with these spams...
Wonder if they ever thought of the bad image and pr they are
fostering?
February 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I was suprise not many fans turned out for MMA HD Net Fights last month at Blasidell Center.
There was a lot of 'Sakuraba' fans from Japan which was live and direct to Japan.
I miss the first half of New Mexico State basketball game. Made in just in time by half to see the rest of great game against NMS.
My friends were telling me I missed a great game but told them I had to seat elsewhere since my normal great seat was taken.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
it's not nike (the company) responsible for the spam posts. they're generated by people trying to attract sports fans to their websites using "sports-related" keywords.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
mikey, yep, too bad UH doesn't have a wrestling program. there are many talented wrestlers in the islands whose grappling career ends after high school. schollies for wrestling on the mainland are hard to come by. so many good wrestlers, so few schools that have the program.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
If Benson was a strong leader, the WAC presidents would have listened to him and Benson would have made things happen. Alas, he was more of a reactionary than proactive and when he was proactive, he couldn't get it done (e.g. getting BYU into the WAC). Craig Thompson of MWC was better.
This MWC/Conf. USA merger does not bode well for UH in the long term. We become a small fish in a big ocean; whereas in a smaller conference we were the big fish in a small pond. But we can become a big fish in a big ocean if our football team wins a lot of games and the TV networks require that UH be part of the conference for the conference to get a good TV contract. Everything hinges on football and what Norm Chow can do. Not a good situation to be in out here in the middle of the Pacific.
If we can get Asian super athletes from Japan and China in other sports like basketball and baseball, and boost Asian TV interest and bring in revenue to UH that way, that will help marketing of UH and hopefully by that time, there will be an Asian football player at UH that can generate interest in Asia and boost TV revenues. This was JJ's vision; he was far ahead of his time. Look at what Linsanity is doing.
Or even if we get a super American athlete on UH that people want to see play, that will help UH be valuable to the conference. See Colt Brennan. However, don't see that happening unless Chow returns to the BYU type offense that he was running in the '80's where BYU was quarterback U and had lots of national TV exposure and interest. UH had that for a while with Colt Brennan and JJ.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
i don't see chow looking east for recruits.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
again you all come up with winnaz!
and cannot wait fo da Sione decision.
i agree. he could be a star star starter if he came here.
and his head would feel right. but up to him.
snooze you lose.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
by east i mean asia. hope i'm not sounding racist. that wasn't my intention.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
who is sione?
February 15th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Who says shameless plugs don't have benefits? =) Thanks ST!
February 15th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
bhf2...for the umpteenth time there is no sione as couch potato suggested.
there was a sione lavaka who ended up at northern arizona.
there is a fehoko fanaika who has yet to decide amongst florida, lsu, georgia, arkansas, kansas, nebraska, hawaii, and the like.
February 15th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I tried to time it for 2:15 on 2/15 but the wacky clock keeps throwing me off, lol
February 15th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
#123 -
I saw the whole thing. Do I get lunch?
February 15th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
I agree JC sports would cost money, heck they're building the rail right now, how much money will that cost taxpayers when it's all said and done..
February 15th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Happy Birthday, truegreen!
February 15th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
We have high school football, so how much does it cost for each HS team to have one? Maybe include the sports in article IX too.
Does the JC schools have a higher budget than the public HIgh Schools in Hawaii? If the state can the Budget for HS sports , how much more will it cost to add 7 JC schools?
What will Hawaii as a community get in return?
February 15th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
#138 Cheapono:"it's not nike (the company) responsible for the spam posts. they're generated by people trying to attract sports fans to their websites using "sports-related" keywords."
If you right click on their name and then click on "properties",
you will see it belongs to Nike. They also recently bragged about it
in their marketing news.
February 15th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Thanks DPK!
February 15th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Maybe I should try the Nike/spam strategy and go to other sites to post links to here
February 15th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
those URLs you see when you right click on the links and go to properties aren't directly affiliated with the actual nike company. anyone can pretty much register any domain name you want. i could go out and purchase nikesocksforjocks.com/org/net/whatever if i wanted to. still won't have any direct tie to the company.
February 15th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
ST. Here you go:
http://www.nikeblog.com/
February 15th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Cake Noodle - No one can dispute what you say, which is basically that strong leaders look behind to find many followers. But specifically, what could he have done?
February 15th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Couch Potato and Mikey,
The only issue with Title IX is football-- it is the huge number of scholarships that football has at 85 at D1 schools which is hurting many of the minor men's teams like soccer, swimming, gymnastics, and wrestling. It is why coaches of these minor sports have favored cutting the number of football scholarships.
Schools cannot add enough women's sports (which usually have only a handful of scholarships per team) to make up for 85 football scholarships or cannot afford to do so; therefore, men's sports get cut instead of football-- if football cut 10 scholarships, it schools could add or keep 3 men's sports at many schools.
February 15th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
ST go to the Nike site and post there.
Congrats to Ricketts.
Good luck to Benson.
February 15th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Not sure what I think yet but interesting.
February 15th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Tried to find out about 'Hoko's visit to Gainesville on onlygators.com blog but they had nothing. Leads me to believe there may be academic or other clearinghouse issues. Should be easy to check the clearing house? no?
Cannot see the Hawaii JC system fronting teams. The math doesn't work, the competition would be a continuation of high school scrapps, and very few people that cannot qualify out of high school would be able to improve their grades in Leeward, Kapiolani, etc. Just let em keep going to College of the Canyons, Saddleback, Blinn, etc.
February 15th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
TCU Athletes arrested on drug charges. 82 Football members fail drug test.
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bf1YB?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football
February 15th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
okay Al, you asked for it.
i wuz speakn from da ole country, from voices past.
interesting readn about brudda Fehoko Fanaika's family history. Great great grandfather, talking to him from before he was born.
maybe we no mo SEC in Hawaii. but we get culture an respect fo heritage.
February 15th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
polymom -
* Rocky Seto * is moving from assistant defensive backs to defensive passing game
coordinator - Seahawks.
February 15th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
State of Washington is trying to resurrect non-scholarship JC football and failing
February 15th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Dennis McKnight ? Is he the guy who worked here? Are we going to see him this Sept.?
Lamar University: Sources tell me Edmonton Eskimos running backs coach Dennis McKnight has accepted the offensive line job at Lamar.
February 15th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
if he's from Edmonton, das da guy who was at SMU and Hawaii b4 dat
good for him Edmonton gets colder dan Lamar.
February 15th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
#156 If he was stronger, he could have stopped the 16 team merger that caused the breakup of the WAC into the MWC or convinced them to add maybe only two strong schools. (Unfortunately, that was the hard headed idea of the UH president) Once, the 16 teams were there, he could have kept the same rivalries rather than breaking the teams up into 4 quadrants and rotating the teams playing each other which broke up annual rivalries. In the WAC, he should have negotiated a stronger TV network contract with Boise, Hawaii and Fresno as the stud teams, if he was a strong salesman. Hawaii on ESPN always drew good TV audiences on the mainland when it had good teams. He really wasn't a visionary like Larry Scott now of the PAC 12. For $400K a year, Benson should have been doing much more.
February 15th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Happy Birthday truegreen!
If I had any idea wea fo get 'em I might get you a pair of Nikes as a gift!
February 15th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Happy Birthday truegreen.
always glad to read your posts.
February 15th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
hiya Al.
wea you stay?
you think i was too off, or off jus enuf? da Sione stuff?
February 15th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
We should get a hold of JD and plead for him to change the uniforms and get rid of black......just green and white.....keep the helmets we got and just make one white version
February 15th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Howzit Tsaikos!
mikey - there haven't been any "cheap" fares on the NCL Hawaii cruises in a long time. Right, SteveM?
If Temple joins the "new" conference, does that mean we have to deal with the Fumbler again?
February 15th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I personally like da black edging on da H logo on my favorite black shorts dat i wear nite and day and day and night.
some of us UH alumni fans love da blacka an blacka look wit da cute Green an White.
makes us mo manly.
an try notice da tinges, get black.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
look at my faces.... see wat i mean?
much mo manly dan a smiley face
February 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
whoa...bhf2, i am impressed. i did not know you were speaking to ancestors.
my apologies.
...and while you at it can you say hello to my dad and father, too?
February 15th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
off-topic, but since it's after 9pm on the Mainland, this is for Mrs. Bulla -
The Jager Egg - pickled egg filled with Jagermeister. (As seen on "Drinking Made Easy" show). ewwww.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I almost never leave a response, however i did some searching and wound up here The Warrior Beat | Ex factor | UH football, University of Hawaii athletics | staradvertiser.com | Honolulu, Hawaii. And I do have a couple of questions for you if you usually do not mind. Could it be only me or does it give the impression like some of the remarks look like they are coming from brain dead individuals?
And, if you are writing at additional places, I would like to keep up with everything fresh you have to post. Would you list of every one of your communal pages like your linkedin profile, Facebook page or twitter feed?
February 15th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
heheheh
maybe, i can sayance dem. will you take da word of a loio on dat one?
February 15th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Monty
you finished playing with yourself? next time give us a play by play.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
#168 Thanks d1shima! I love Nikes! One of my favorite birthday presents ever was a pair of original Air Jordans back in the day, lol
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February 15th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TRUEGREEN !!!
February 15th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
#172. jm2375: February 15th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Howzit Tsaikos!
If Temple joins the "new" conference, does that mean we have to deal with the Fumbler again?
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the Fumbler went on to Syracuse, I believe.
Our GAIN, is their LOSS.
February 15th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
al:
me tinks again that you need to go to my very post before your initial response - my post said that he will not sign with UH
for which your responded with you "huh" post - thus leading to the later remarks regarding me buying you lunch if he signs with UH - subliminal or not, the flip side is you buy lunch if he signs with another school
correct amundo?
February 15th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
flip side?
no bring homey into this!
February 15th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
i never discussed me buying a lunch. you guys the one who was so sure of yourselves that you offered to buy me lunch if it ever happened.
so semantically i am correct that is wasn't a bet, but, rather some bold statements by a couple of guys.
anyway, i do enjoy your company so should that happen i'll be a big boy and take you to lunch.
i'll bet you that mattyboy won't show up.
February 15th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
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February 15th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
happy birthday truegreen
February 16th, 2012 at 12:42 am
Happy Birthday Truegreen
February 16th, 2012 at 12:45 am
185
Wrong Al. Whenever theres a free lunch, I cannot resist. I'll definitely be there.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:46 am
Al,
Will you bet another lunch if I show up?
February 16th, 2012 at 12:57 am
I peek in to see arguments with Al over lunch?
Al???? Sheesh, that guy almost always buys lunch...bet or not.
So when's the lunch?
I'll pay my own, I suppose...
February 16th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Re: #172
jm2375 -- the frequent cruisers would agree here.
Frustrating. Reduced possibility of a convenient Oahu-Maui-Big Island-Kauai blog cruise.
February 16th, 2012 at 1:44 am
No matter how many times i listen to knowledgeable talking heads on TV and radio, in the end it is all about the money. Everyone is scrambling because they are worried about being left out [have's and have nots] of a potential move by NCAA to create and upper-half conference from the current 120 teams. And whether that happens sooner than later makes no difference, because it is all about the TV deals that follow 2013 season. So athletic directors are put in the position of "doing something" even if it ain't smart, to keep their school and faithful fans from feeling that they are being left behind. Follow the money, the AQ conferences are scrambling to stay BCS relevant, and if they scared and scrambling, then why wouldn't everyone else?
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