Priorities

July 2nd, 2013
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Athletic director Ben Jay deserves credit for rearranging the athletic department's priority list.

With the academic center completed and renovations underway on the football locker room, the focus has shifted to two other departments that treat the student-athletes. Renovations will begin in January on the athletic trainers' room — think of it as an in-house clinic — and equipment room. While that start date is six months away, it is earlier than the initial projection of "whenever." The initial wish list included only expanding the training room. But with some tactful negotiations, the equipment room was allowed to piggyback the project.

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On the other hand, if they're building sand volleyball courts on one side of Ching field, why do they need to build practice courts on the other? I don't know diddly about sand volleyball, but can't players practice on the game courts?

The construction of the  practice courts spells the end of one of UH's best little secrets: the outdoor basketball courts.

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There is concern about offensive lineman Mike Milovale, who is on crutches after suffering a foot injury during off-season training. Milovale, who exited spring training as the No. 1 left tackle, also has practiced at guard. The Rainbow Warriors have not set a depth chart.

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Tight end Jordan Pu‘u-Robinson:

jpr

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Cornerback Dee Maggitt:

deem

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After every practice, a couple of players sit on what I always assumed was a bench. With the locker room renovations, the "bench" has been vacated. It turns out the bench is really art. (A tiny percentage of every state building needs to include what is termed "public art.")

art

It also turns out the artist — Bumpei Akaji — was a well-renowned sculptor. He was a member of the 442nd Regiment who studied at art academies in Florence and Milan. He also earned a master's degree at UH. He died in 2000.

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I'm still puzzled about this sign. There's a problem with roller-skaters?

sign

Or why this drain was built here:

drain

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Congrats to Analea and Nick Rolovich on the birth of their twins:

rolos

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Happy birthday to Al.

168 Responses to “Priorities”

  1. Luki:

    First


  2. Buffoman:

    Am I #1?


  3. Stephen Tsai:

    While standing in the Ching end zone yesterday morning, it seems apparent that an on-campus stadium can be built on that site There certainly is enough room, but the engineers/architects will have to get creative. There will be very limited end-zone seating because the stadium would be bracketed by Murakami Stadium and the athletic department complex. But the Murakami hospitality room, which has a view of the field, can be used as a high-roller gathering place. Building a stadium also would require moving the track and sand volleyball courts to the grass practice fields. Parking would be another issue. Plus, the stadium, no matter what size, needs luxury boxes. On the other hand, locker rooms and training rooms would not have to build.


  4. Stephen Tsai:

    I asked somebody about a timetable for construction. The project didn't seem that difficult because the infrastructure is in place, such as drainage. Butt with state projects being state projects, it likely would take two years to build after all of the permits are approved.


  5. Tolkein Warrior:

    Good morning good folks....

    go go Ben Jay!


  6. Rodney:

    Imua Warriors!!!!


  7. Stephen Tsai:

    And, of course, for any of this to be possible, the football team needs to win games.
    If there's a 30,000-seat stadium, then there better be 30,000 people in the stands to make this work.


  8. Stephen Tsai:

    One of the good things about baseball is the team owner sits in the stands. Heck, even the commissioner sits in the stands. Its' the same with the NBA. Pat Riley is there, arms-folded and hair greased, watching from the stands. Why, then, do football owners sit in the luxury boxes.
    I remember games at SMU. The luxury boxes have tinted windows. If you're a player, you can't see or hear anyone in the booth.
    If I owned the Jets, the first thing I'd do, is sit in the stands. Well, make that the second thing. The first thing I'd do is cut Mark Sanchez.


  9. papajoe2:

    Good morning everybody!
    Top 10.


  10. haka:

    I think Ben Jay has done a good job. It's hard to turn baby steps into great strides. The main thing is to keep moving forward!

    I think Sand Volleyball needs more courts because only four play at a time and practice management is critical for all sports.

    Get well Mike!

    Inspire like a Rainbow!
    Play like a Warrior!
    Be the one!


  11. boya_jr:

    Just got back to the Mainland this morning, I sleep very well on the red-eye flights. Once again nice meeting the Tsaikos, appreciate your passion for the Home Team. I bought a new "H" hat from Rainbowtique, and aside from meeting our captain of the AD, Ben Jay (whom I believe in), I ran into one of my favorite FB players, Joey Iosefa down in Waikiki. It's been a great trip. Just wanted to let the student-athletes know that alums and Hawaii expats living all over the place follow what you're doing and want to see you and the Program succeed in the classroom and in the competitive arena. For some, UH sports is a constant reminder of home, where friends get to together to watch games, etc, and gets me to subscribe to the SA. Thanks everyone.


  12. Stephen Tsai:

    Hey, "sitting in the stands" is an oxymoron.


  13. Stephen Tsai:

    Love that San Jose State is in the MWC officially as of yesterday. The MWC needed a presence in NorCal, and reporters needed a presence in Napa.


  14. tom mui:

    GOOD MORNING HAWAII!

    Welcome home boya_jr - nice meeting you at the Tsaiko meets Ben Jay!


  15. papajoe2:

    If they ever build a Stadium for or at UH, although football would be the first priority, I hope they take into consideration other sports that can fit in there, like soccer (needs a bigger field than football), track and field, etc..


  16. Buffoman:

    ST, just for speculation sake, if they decided to build a stadium in the Quarry. Given the comments about space limitaions etc., what if they built it mauka/makai as opposed to the present DH/Ewa configuration? They could mow down the tennis courts and take out all of the portables. Would that make it "longer" to fulfill the soccer needs also?


  17. Stephen Tsai:

    papajoe:
    I think if they take out the track, they can play soccer there.


  18. Stephen Tsai:

    Buffoman:
    Good point. I don't think they can change the direction because of the softball stadium. Plus, they need that road as one of the parking exits.
    However, if the rail is ever built ...


  19. SurfDad:

    ST -

    Yes, those outdoor basketball courts are a great little secret even to the facility staff. I have never gone there (note: used to go often) when all 4 rims had nets on them.


  20. Wes'side Warrior:

    Morning, Gang!

    Always good to hear of "forward" progress. Lord knows we've had more than our share of the opposite.

    Kinda confused that they had to have construction block the two entrances I normally use when visiting Manoa. Hate U-turns and driving all through campus to get to where I need to go. But then again, my trips out there aren't as frequent at the moment. And this being the "off" season is the only time to make these repairs and upgrades.

    Heading out to Lagoon 3 at Ko 'Olina today with the little ones. Hope it's not too hot.

    Have a great day!


  21. Stephen Tsai:

    Surfdad:
    That's so, so true about the nets.


  22. Stephen Tsai:

    Another cool secret is the garden behind the East-West Center.


  23. Stephen Tsai:

    I also think Andrews' is cool. Nobody ever really thinks about it as they walk past it every day. It's become UH's Natatorium.


  24. Old School Dave:

    It would be neat to see the football team take individual pictures in Andrews like they used to during the Dave Holmes/Larry Price years.


  25. jm2375:

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Nice to see the support facilities getting upgraded.

    Andrews Amphitheater is where UHS holds their graduations. EWC garden is where I took my grad pictures. Memories, memories.

    If you want to see precision in motion, check out today's team time trial stage of the Tour de France on NBC Sports. My favorite stage of the entire tour.


  26. kawika49:

    Just put the stadium in Leahi (Diamond Head.) Good access... from Waikiki and other ares, and a good focal point for tourists.


  27. Stephen Tsai:

    The last time I hiked Diamond Head I was greeted by a woman who offered me plumeria in exchange for a donation.
    Whoa. Call the matchmaker. I just dated myself.


  28. Old School Dave:

    Build a 45,000 to 50000 seat stadium, remove the track, put in bleacher type seats (ouch!), with regular kine (premium) seats between the 30-yard lines, along with corporate luxury boxes.


  29. Stephen Tsai:

    I noticed several MWC stadiums have bleacher-type seats. The money is in the rental of seat cushions.


  30. Stephen Tsai:

    The best part is the cushions are donated in exchange for advertising. School bears no expense.


  31. jeffdman2000:

    ...sand volleyball..


  32. Old School Dave:

    I think that UW's newly renovated Husky Stadium is still primarily bleacher style seats with backrests. When I attended their spring game back in the early 2000s their wooden bleacher seats reminded me of the ones at the old Honolulu Stadium.

    http://oxblue.com/open/huskystadium


  33. Stephen Tsai:

    It should be noted it cost a mere $5,213 in materials to build Andrews in 1935. The state paid for the labor.


  34. Stephen Tsai:

    Re: Andrews
    But I do have two bad experiences involving rock walls.
    • One day we heard a crash. It turned out a woman forgot to put her brakes on. Her car rolled down the hill and struck my rock wall. I asked if she was all right. She said: "My car! My car!" End of sympathy. I said: "My wall! My wall!"
    • A few years later, we heard a knock at the door. A large man asked if we wanted to hire him to fix our rock wall. We said there was nothing wrong with our wall. He led us outside. Our rock wall was knocked down. (I think Sears used to do the same trick when we'd go in for new tires and they'd say, "By the way, your transmission is broken.")


  35. seeanyfish:

    Repurpose Hale Anuenue and turn it into athletic department offices. Then rename the building
    for Coach Larry Price.


  36. Buffoman:

    #28 old school, I would like to see the track inside the stadium. Maybe when we get into the Pac 12 UH could host a real star studded track and field meet. That would be great. Again, I am still dreaming.


  37. Derek:

    When you build a new stadium just make sure it conforms to any Division I (FBS) standards. To me, 30,000 is too small. Gotta be at least 40-45 thousand at least. Gotta have some foresight for the future. UNLV is going to have a 60,000-65,000 stadium in a few years. They are thinking big, and looking to hold Playoff games, even a Super Bowl.


  38. Stephen Tsai:

    UNLV needs an air-conditioned stadium.


  39. Stephen Tsai:

    Whatever happened to the governor's plan to start a committee on athletics?


  40. soljah808:

    I applaud Ben Jay for getting the ball rolling and moving mountains over there on lower campus! Great sight to see and that only benefits the department and our athletes/coaches!

    Also, its a shame they have that art piece where it is......almost hiding in a corner on lower campus. I would hope they can put that art piece in a more prominent place so its more visible. Maybe in the grassy area between the SSC and the road leading to the parking structure perhaps? It would be a nice piece to see as you enter lower campus to park. But then again....money needs to be involved to move that thing. ugh


  41. Old School Dave:

    Buffoman: I remember when UH had a men's track team and Terry Albritton (who went on to become the UH S & C coach) was throwing the shot put. The rink used to be right outside the portables where the entrance to Ching Field is today. Family members who attended UH back in the 50s told me that many of the football players used to run track in the off season (Coach Vasconcellos' directive) - guys like Skippy Dyer and Don Botellho, among others.


  42. HiFlyer:

    Good Morning Hawaii.


  43. soljah808:

    Stephen...this may be off topic but, with the Ching Athletic complex being built.....will that venue have a new scoreboard as well? Or is that not in the budget?


  44. Jun Tao:

    The question shouldn't be why that down spout is in that location. The question should be who built that concrete seating in that area?


  45. Stephen Tsai:

    soljah:
    I do not know if that is in the budget. Good question. I'll ask around. But it seems like the purpose of the rebuild was to at least play some high school games there.


  46. Stephen Tsai:

    Jun Tao:
    Indeed, there are a lot of questions.
    Hmm. But why sit on a bench near a drain when you can sit on public art?


  47. bf206:

    Shouldn't your column now be called "The Rainbow Warrior/Wahine Beat?"


  48. Old School Dave:

    Found this UH Football blast from the past, circa 1975. Cliff Laboy. John Woodcock, Arnold Morgado, Don Herrold, Curtis Akins, Bobby Winkfield. Note the hair.

    http://www.fanbase.com/Cliff-LaBoy/photo/1006924?n=1


  49. TenaTwelve:

    #18, regarding the road, it can be re-routed to go behind of the practice fields and tennis courts. The present location of the road would make a great promenade as people walk to and from UH events.


  50. primo123:

    Why should we build a new stadium for football at lower campus? Just use the practice field and bring in more bleachers?.....done!.....


  51. primo123:

    or.............Punahou field is looking pretty good......nice built-in bleachers already........enough said!.


  52. Stephen Tsai:

    Uh, anyway ...


  53. Pomai:

    I miss a lot of things and maybe I missed this, but what is the main purpose of Ching Field?


  54. primo123:

    ok..ok...my box is full of holes.....can't think too far outside.....


  55. el burro sabio:

    30,000 is the best size. Sell out the place, charge for the premium seats, and nobody feels bad about staying home and watching PPV.


  56. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    In Jay we trust. The state permitting system and bid/construction process... well...? Jay struck me as a guy who wants to move quickly, I hope the upper campus admin and contractors can lean forward with him. Meanwhile, he didn't seem so keen about having a stadium in the quarry. Ching Field will make an excellent venue for high school games and a nice recruiting tool. Maybe the spout on the bench was supposed to be one of the requisite art pieces Mr Tsai had mentioned.

    Get Better Leo!


  57. PolyMom:

    Sorry don't think Punahou or their mafia would let that happen. The alumni is already strapped in donating money for financial aid for the kids. And we are strapped!

    And the band needs that field to.

    Wonder how many college coaches will be in San Diego when the Buff n Blue play there in August? Last time lots of schools were there looking and recruiting. Better have someone from Hawaii to!


  58. SteveM:

    Good morning everyone!

    I think A-joe showed a 40,000 seat stadium could fit a few years back. He superimposed real stadium photos onto Cooke/Ching field. But maybe not today with all the small stuff around the field.


  59. Stephen Tsai:

    Primo:
    At least you're thinking in UH's price range.


  60. Ed:

    ST, would really be interested in knowing what renovations are actually planned for the NEW football locker rooms. I know any "renovations" is better then what's there, but I hope since its longgg overdue they do it right....


  61. Kevin:

    Rollerskates? :lol: Good lord, how OLD is this sign?

    Or are there still gangs of rollerskaters going around campus blasting their boomboxes and free-style rapping Sugarhill Gang lyrics? :lol:


  62. primo123:

    Wouldn't "motorcycles" be a little dangerous being ridden around that area? They shoulda put "cars" too.


  63. Kevin:

    primo123:
    July 2nd, 2013 at 9:15 am
    Why should we build a new stadium for football at lower campus? Just use the practice field and bring in more bleachers?.....done!.....

    And... thats how we have the softball stadium today. Lord knows there was nothing wrong with that plan. :roll:


  64. Stephen Tsai:

    This the best version of Rapper's Delight:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB3-iA-mfLA
    UH needs crowds like this.


  65. primo123:

    30,000 attending a UH football game?....come on......didn't we average 20K last year? and that was after counting the ushers, concession people AND the UH band members, some of whom they counted twice......lol....


  66. primo123:

    Something I was wondering...........back in the day.....when the "Marshmellow" man was UH's mascot, what was his "offical" name? Does anyone have a picture of this mascot? I kinda miss him......Go Bows!


  67. primo123:

    "

    6Kevin:
    July 2nd, 2013 at 10:11 am
    And... thats how we have the softball stadium today. Lord knows there was nothing wrong with that plan.

    "

    AND Les Murakami Stadium for that matter.........!!!


  68. Kevin:

    primo,

    You are right. I am way off the mark. Yes, the approach and planning of the Les Murakami Stadium (today) is exactly the same as the RWSS. EXACTLY the same.

    Yup. Down to the planning of it. EXACTLY THE SAME.


  69. jimmy the lock:

    Sportsbow has it.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/Sportsbow/Photos/RDnimQqkfLwcBpEZAdNwPga0fDHzz6b0300.jpg


  70. Former UH Athlete:

    Rolo looks like a Muslim. The beard is fierce.

    So glad UH is finally remodeling their disgusting football locker room. About 10 years overdue.


  71. Rich2176:

    Football seating capacities. Some eye-openers - For example SMU (Gerald Ford Stadium) holds 32,000.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_stadiums

    30,000 - 35,000 with luxury boxes would be perfect on the lower campus.


  72. Kevin:

    One of the educated minds that should be consulted in the building of a football stadium on campus should be UH’s own Panos Prevedouros. Careful consideration should be taken into account of the traffic issues and existing surrounding infrastructure just outside campus that will be effected as well if you supposedly will have 20-30K people arriving and leaving that area.


  73. Jesse(James):

    Good morning Tsaikos!!!!

    Happy Birthday Al!!!


  74. Bigislandkurt:

    Congrats to the Rolo Ohana. Hope to see you back one day.

    BIK


  75. Hodad:

    Yeah, Panos would be great! His EASY plan for Ann Kobayashi had exits going into inaccessible parts of the military bases. And he is not a licensed engineer.


  76. el burro sabio:

    Primo, ticket issued was 27,000 to over 30,000 every game. Don't confuse tickrts with attendance.


  77. MattyBoy:

    Happy birthday Al!!


  78. jm2375:

    Congrats to Rolo and his ohana.


  79. Rich2176:

    Rolo really has his hands full now. Congrats!!!


  80. HiFlyer:

    Happy Birthday Al.


  81. SteveM:

    Al who?
    I am not authorized to confirm nor deny this.
    but... HAPPY BIRTHDAY AL !!!

    j/k Al, but remember, ST said it first... :)


  82. al:

    st, how did you know?
    best kept secret for years now.
    must have been that stretch kid.

    anyway, thanks. 49 is a tough number since 50 is next.


  83. hank:

    Happy Birthday to the one and only - al.


  84. al:

    jm411...different strokes for different folks as sly and the family stone would sing.

    andrews amphi theatre memories of concers and the smell of the "fresh air".
    ewc gardens a rendezous spot with the girl friend(s).

    okay, too much info already.


  85. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Happy Birthday, Brother!


  86. al:

    so, the parking dilemna at the lower campus is simple to fix.

    condemn acres in the vicinity..
    varsity circle and varsity theatre block, develop multi level parking that incorporates several first level retail spaces coupled with classrooms, meeting rooms, etc.

    develop ten tier parking structure on the parking lot across from the music room.
    (include the new music complex on the first two floors.)

    knockdown the existing music facility and add another ten tier parking structure with two to three floors of class room, retail, study halls, etc.

    etc, etc, etc, the list could go on.


  87. al:

    hire the stanford stadium design group that was responsible for their stadium rebuild which took less than a year to demolish and construct the existing 50k stadium.

    note, materials were staged at site before the last gun of the last game. upon minutes of the final game demo began...


  88. primo123:

    I hope we'd never build a on campus football stadium based on a "tickets issued" stat.

    That would be "feckless"......lol...


  89. primo123:

    Yo Al!.....makes too much sense brother!...too much sense.....


  90. d1shima:

    Happy Birthday al!


  91. d1shima:

    49?

    :mrgreen:


  92. Bowwar:

    Nothing wrong with a 35-40K football stadium in the Quarry...Parking can't be any worse than NO ALOHA and you'll have excellent bus routes close to the stadium. Nothing wrong with bench seats too, as you gotta start somewhere and many college stadiums have bench seats. Somebody gotta talk to Ellison and have him build Oracle Stadium at UH. How about having a customized UH Football Jet on his new GO Airlines...


  93. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Again, UH isn't going to be building this with tuition dollars all by itself. It's going to take state money and most likely private money too.

    Unless this is a stadium in addition to Aloha or we are giving up completely on hosting a Pro Bowl we can't do 30K. I don't think 30K seats and 20K folding chairs during the Pro Bowl is going to work.


  94. primo123:

    ORACLE Stadium........in lovely Manoa Valley....AWESOME!.....


  95. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Ben Jay talked about developing a plan that UHAD could take to potential big time boosters to review and buy into. He noted that many of these rich businessman etc. didn't get there by being stupid. They want to see plans, metrics, and a vision.

    Local political operative Chuck Friedman used to always remind us that when putting together support for something to always "Paint a picture for 'em, and paint it with them in it."

    I wish Jay the best of luck.


  96. Inyoface:

    Hopefully Naeole can do wonders with the O-line!


  97. Unknown:

    Unknown message


  98. Buffoman:

    #96 We'll all know the outcome of that thought if there are many, "wow, oh, my goodness!" moments next season, as opposed to, "oh no, my goodness, why??"

    I'm with you. I am very hopeful.

    Al, my solution was similar, using the old stadium park as the site for the new "Oracle Stadium". All that area where Bowl-o-drome is becomes multilevel parking with dorms built above. All the businesses on the Ewa side become a part of the stadium promanade mall. The street and the library are also gone to make way for another multilevel parking structure with dorms above, this connects to the promanade. The street that was wiped out is now rerouted, Diamond Head of the McDonalds.

    Students don't have to go far to get to the stadium and because of the loaction, Moiliili become a true college town.


  99. jimmy the lock:

    New stadium? Where the tailgates going be? Not like you can grill in a parking structure or maybe walk hundreds of feet to find a tree or pop-up tent space. Leave it at Halawa.


  100. jimmy the lock:

    Also, current stadium has exits to many directions. Manoa going be one nightmare.


  101. primo123:

    let'm tail gate on the sidewalks......they let people live in tents nowadays.....what's a grill and pop up tent, that you know will come down by game time.


  102. primo123:

    going be good for all those little shops in and around the Moiliili area


  103. jimmy the lock:

    You mean gotta haul all your tailgate stuff and find an open area on the sidewalk and then when pau haul all your stuff back to the car?


  104. Shoko:

    Congrats to Rolo and Happy Birthday to Al.

    Heard Polian just offered scholarships to Rolo's twins. Too soon?


  105. haka:

    agreed jimmy the lock. my contention against an on campus stadium has always been the traffic and tailgating negatives.


  106. 3-Prong:

    Do I Hear a second on my recommendation for Mr. Ellisons new stadium to be built on the Ala Wai Golf Course. Plenty parking space for tailgates, close to hotels for visitors, and beat of all close to UH.


  107. 3-Prong:

    Best of all.....


  108. Shoko:

    Hmm, I dunno but 30k stadium seems awful small. I think that would be the smallest stadium in the conference.


  109. hossana:

    Any suggestions of building an on-campus stadium and consulting Panos for traffic insights are purely absurb and or, ridiculous. Also, the thought of building just a 30,000 seat stadium is even more absurb. Remember when they only wanted to build a 5,000 seat Sheriff Center. Has nobody the insight of our former A.D. IN STAN SHERIFF????


  110. jm2375:

    Happy Birthday Al-san! Virtual TCC on the way to you. :lol:


  111. HiFlyer:

    Building a stadium at he Ala Wai Golf course will still have the same traffic problems with an on campus stadium.


  112. jimmy the lock:

    Spelling don't lie, it's "absurd". Once could be a typo but twice is the truth.


  113. jimmy the lock:

    Ala Wai, too many traffic signals going every direction.


  114. tommui:

    AL - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

    Remember, hold new camera at arm's length, aimed at you, and take a birthday picture. On the other hand, give it to your son and let him take it!


  115. Kevin:

    Tom,

    Glad you saw my email!

    I will try to feed you more info as the international junior world championships progress. Hope everything comes together when it counts cause the potential that is "hyped" is a scary and exciting thought to have if you are a Hawaii fan!


  116. Kevin:

    jimmy the lock:
    July 2nd, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    Spelling don't lie, it's "absurd". Once could be a typo but twice is the truth.

    :lol: You caught that too.


  117. Buffoman:

    Okay, maybe Halawa is the best location, but the State has to give UH a better chance at making some dollars, OR, no need, just subsidize UH the amount negotiated of what UH could have made if they had the parking revenue, a chunk of the concessions, etc.. and yes they would pay for clean up, as usual.

    I believe that was what was one of the issues that prompted these dreams of an on campus stadium.


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  119. Kevin:

    Jimmy and “Haka”,

    Go with your gut. We share the same basic objections and concerns regarding this on-going off season “debate”. However, on one hand I have seen some amazing things. The downtown financial district of Detroit is not that much bigger than downtown Honolulu and they have Comerica Park and Ford Field right in the middle. I was amongst 80,000 people leaving Ford Field and the city of Detroit deployed their Transit Police and workers all over the area to straigically close certain streets and re-routed traffic to accommodate the mess. In speaking with locals, they said they do that for all game days during the NFL and MLB seasons.

    With an on-campus stadium, the C&C of Honolulu could execute the same plans since football season is only a few weekends during Sept-first week of December. But then again we are trying to trust people that can’t even coordinate traffic signals properly during rush hour times going town bound in Chinatown and other downtown areas….. so… yeah. :roll:


  120. oldie:

    I second 3-Prong's idea of a stadium at the Ala Wai Golf Course location. Of course, I'm not a golfer.

    Plenty space to for lots of parking. Get Donald Trump to build a stadium/hotel/retail/rail stop if Ellison not interested.

    Build a world class golf course in Diamond Head Crater.


  121. 3-Prong:

    Eh, jimmy the lock and HiFlyer,
    You guys must be "Ala Wai Country Club" members eh? Hehe.......Oney Joking!


  122. 3-Prong:

    Oldie! Good win-win solution!


  123. HawaiiMongoose:

    I see the attraction of an on-campus stadium in terms of increasing student support for the team and creating a real college game day atmosphere. But there are soooo many difficulties with putting a new stadium in Manoa, especially one that's Pac-12 caliber. It would take a lot of careful planning and out-of-the-box thinking to pull it off, not to mention a huge amount of money.

    My solution: allow the whole area between lower campus and H-1 to be redeveloped with high-rise condos ("University City") and charge fees to the developers to help defray costs. And find a billion-dollar donor on top of that.


  124. primo123:

    There's only about 3000 to 4000 true basketball fans of UH basketball. A 5000 arena would've been fine. UH not big time. If you think so, you only dreaming about the past....aka...Alika and AC.

    We wont see anything like that again.

    We wont even sell out the Stanley, if we host a first round March tournament game.

    Be real people!


  125. jm2375:

    primo - have you forgotten about Wahine volleyball?


  126. primo123:

    A 30,000 football stadium is more than enough for UH.

    With pay per view, drunken fans, parking issues, fair weather fans, aging hardcore fans, cost of games, you name it, we got it issues or reasons of NOT attending a game.

    Ticket issued might be 27 to 30k.....but really turnstile count might only be 20k at most.

    Lots of empty seats in the upper levels and student sections.

    Be real people!


  127. primo123:

    Wahine vb?......let'm overflow.....think, women's basketball....men's volleyball....


  128. 3-Prong:

    And one more good point in favor of Ala Wai site, stay flat already.....no need grade em! See Larry, I saved you money already!


  129. Shoko:

    What If Hawaii has another season like they did in 2007 or takes the West Division and has home field advantage for the conference championship.

    Will a 30k stadium suffice?


  130. primo123:

    Even if UH was to repeat an undefeated football season, it'll be years and years before it actually happens again. There's more chance it WONT happen again, than it WILL happen.

    30K is enough.

    Fair weather fans can buy the Pay-Per-View package to watch the Conference Championship Game.

    If they build it for 30K......those will be the most passioniate 30K fans in Hawaii. Let'm buy their season tickets early and hold'm for life (ie Greenbay Packers).

    Anyone else, can be on the "wait list".......

    Go Bows!


  131. primo123:

    Hey!....Ben Jay should do this for the No Aloha Stadium.....close the upper level. Move those guys to the lower level. No ifs and or buts. The upper sections to be closed permanently.

    Dont baby those people up there. If they dont like it, kick'm out!..

    ha!

    Go Bows!


  132. kitsunegari:

    Just who is primo123? Keeps asking where is the Chicken Grease, then when the Greasy spam isn’t present, primo123 posts quite a bit today.

    Who is primo123? something smells fowl.


  133. primo123:

    "

    134.kitsunegari:
    July 2nd, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    Just who is primo123? Keeps asking where is the Chicken Grease, then when the Greasy spam isn’t present, primo123 posts quite a bit today.

    Who is primo123? something smells fowl.

    "

    Sorry kitsu....not to burst your bubble...i dont keep asking about the greaser...maybe twice at most....i thought Chicken Grease was a normal poster like everyone else. Didnt know he was "spam".

    Jus fired up at the topic today.....gotta go hit something now....pau hana time.

    I'm out!

    Go Bows!


  134. Shoko:

    Here are last season’s attendance averages for all 12 MWC teams in the 2013 conference.

    Air Force, 32,015
    Boise State, 35,404
    Colorado State, 19,250
    Fresno State, 30,915
    Hawaii, 30,031
    Nevada, 23,432
    UNLV, 15,208
    New Mexico, 22,307
    San Diego State, 30,879
    San Jose State, 10,789
    Utah State, 20,054
    Wyoming, 22,162

    Note: Hawaii's 30,031 average attendance was after a very bad 3-9 season.

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/48973f004e77fcf4b18ef98fccf39c15/2012+data_NEW.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=48973f004e77fcf4b18ef98fccf39c15


  135. Shoko:

    Here's the final Directors Cup Standings. No surprise about Stanford (1261.25 points) which is their 19th straight title. Hawaii finished at 107 with 155 points.

    http://thedirectorscup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/June27release.pdf


  136. Brad:

    They should use Murakami stadium as the end zone section and build two huge sideline stands like we will see at Reser stadium at Oregon st. Have bleachers but sell cushion seats for season tickets holders. And have another small section where the outfield is so we can still see diamond head an Waikiki skyline. Probably the capacity would be 35-40,000 depending if they would use bleachers. They can fit a football field there now looking at the dimensions of the field at LMS. It will be like games played at AT&T park or Yankee Stadium but only the main grandstands will configure the football field and not leave a huge sideline on one end.

    And of course build a modern 3,000-3,500 baseball park where the practice fields are maybe something like PK park at Oregon.

    For parking and traffic they should listen to Ben Jay and add a couple of levels on the current parking structure and add one or two lanes on the existing road that runs out to the H-1. Like they do now for basketball games they have the cars take all lane in one direction in or out. Also to increase the shuttle bus service at points around the island.


  137. Brad:

    They can keep the Ching complex for sand volleyball, track and turn the field into a soccer field.

    Ben Jay said we should have our student athletes practice on campus and not have to travel far just to practice and take away their time to study or work.

    They should also put a par-3 hole or practice green behind the newly placed baseball park for the golf team.

    But of course this is only my dream if I won the megabucks or lottery I would give back whatever I could to make this happen.


  138. Moocher:

    maybe the state and the c&c should require all contractors a 3% or levy tax on all projects to go towards the stadium...maybe hotels charge a 3% tax for building the a new stadium to...a mandatory visitor tax. my point is either businesses kokua in their own way, or the state will do it for them. imagine if spam was 1 or 2 cents more per can and that went to the stadium also...every bit helps.

    i personally like the KCC campus to build a new stadium. the culinary can stay put with the stadium, let them do the cooking and man the concessions. the nursing x-ray paramedic EMT courses can all stay there to..real OJT during games. shift some classes to HCC or other CC's or build them within the stadium. Can bring HCCs trades courses to the stadium and let them "OJT" alongside maintenance workers to lower costs, i mean be creative...grumbling and "yeah but" should never be a first instinct. I mean also if people talking luxury boxes, hey where can you find a better view then that KCC campus at diamond head? Nickname the new stadium the imu.. fire things up and chow down :)


  139. gobows:

    #69 jtl
    never seen that before, was that a real UH mascot? what year was that from?


  140. gobows:

    primo123, do you doubt the UH will ever draw 35k fans per game?


  141. laulau head:

    Thanks for the laughs ST...that drain picture is hilarious!

    Happy bday Al! Quick healings Mike! Congrats Rolo!

    BEAT USC!!!


  142. laulau head:

    Just saw a cool mini propane powered oven/burner/griddle at Costco..

    Is it tailgate time yet?


  143. Warrior_no8:

    #138,#139 Brad,

    Good thinking man. I hope Jay can at least lay the groundwork for that kind of plan before he goes back to Ohio to take the Ohio St AD job there.


  144. Stephen Tsai:

    What is overlooked in today's conversations is ... Al is three years younger than me?


  145. Stephen Tsai:

    Laulau head:
    You can practice on Thursday.


  146. Inyoface.com:

    If they were to build a stadium in Manoa, there would have to be a half-dome on the mauka side to block the incoming rain. Have the other side open, facing the ocean and sun. Holy cow, that would be an innovative design, but kinda nuts.


  147. Loa:

    evening gang!

    happy birthday al


  148. BG:

    mistah al...no can miss this chance to wish a guy who's part of the foundation of Tsaiko-hood. You know what I mean...the clubhouseis built around where you sit.

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY AL !!!!!!


  149. wafan:

    Happy birthday, al!


  150. d1shima:

    Y confine it to the quarry?

    Build em above Dole St...plenty room.

    ...who needs those old buildings? :twisted:


  151. cocobean:

    With all the talk about the future of college football being the creation of 4-5 "super" conferences, committing to a 30K stadium now will all but guarantee UH won't be a member of any of these conferences.

    A 30K seat stadium will make sense if UH is one of the have nots. Until conference realignment runs it's course I feel we have to sit tight. We should spend our energy and resources planning how we can best position ourselves to be one of the haves.


  152. mo808:

    AL!!!

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY BLESSINGS BROTHER!!

    :-) lil' sis mo808


  153. mo808:

    Okay, when will we be FREE at last from the "chemical dependent" spammer...sheesh!


  154. mo808:

    Wow, ST! You odah den a al?


  155. Shadow:

    Totally agree coco bean (#153)! All this "small kind" thinking posts that I've been reading today just epitomizes why UH can't make past it into the red zone to become a program attractive to super conference membership.


  156. nanakuli:

    Kaimuki High School only has 900 students. Send the students to Kalani and Mckinley and build a football stadium with lots of parking only a mile from UH. Sorry Bulldogs.


  157. 3-Prong:

    158 nanakuli: Hmmmm, veddddy intadesting idea! Probably get moa golfas at da Ala Wai Country Club den da 900 students.


  158. HiFlyer:

    3-Prong, not a golfer but know what the traffic is like on Kapahulu Ave, Date St. and McCully during the day.


  159. Stephen Tsai:

    UH already has a 50,000-seat facility. It needs to fill that.


  160. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Why don't we build the first floating stadium or one suspended in air?


  161. el burro sabio:

    It's not about how many people attend games or how big a stadium you have, it's about how much money you make.

    But if the stadium is not on campus, I like the Kaimuki High School idea. A stadium needs to be close to the freeway, Ala Wai and Diamond Head are too far away.


  162. 3-Prong:

    HiFlyer: Very familiar with the area. We direct half of them into da stadium on game day and we sell out every time! Cheee!


  163. al:

    thanks all for the birthday wishes!

    now back to sleep like an old man should....hahahaha.


  164. al:

    kaimuki hs would be consideration since the doe is considering shutting down one of the east Honolulu high school institutions.d

    the existing buildings that have some value still, could be a satellite campus or turn them into an adult education learning center.


  165. al:

    st...isn't it something like 2 years and 10 months?


  166. al:

    seriously though, they should just build a new one, when the time comes at the same site.
    sure, this is Hawaii and as ben jay did find out things move slower here. not like molasses but more like poi.

    need to hire that Stanford stadium group.


  167. al:

    although I like the ala wai as my first choice, for selfish reasons, and yah I don't golf.

    it won't happen. I think one of the big things will be traffic patterns entrance and egress issues.
    but, if I were a Waikiki merchant or hotel i'd welcome the opportunity to pick up more business. marketing overnight packages with shuttles, etc.

    and i'd be trying to buy out rainbow drive inn.

    okay, now I really need to go sleep.

    ...nuff said!


  168. Slugger:

    Happy birthday, Al!

    Congrats to Rolo & Analea!

    Get well soon, Milovale.

    Thanks for da pics, ST.

    Morning, gang!