UH turns down Colorado offer

September 23rd, 2013
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UH has turned down an offer to play Colorado on Oct. 19 in Boulder.

Colorado officials were seeking a home game to replace the Sept. 14 game against Fresno State that was canceled because of area floods.

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Like I said before, if it were up to me, I would have played the game.

If injuries and travel are a concern, then cancel the Navy game. Heck, cancel the Fresno State game. There's a possibility of injuries in any game. There's also a possibility of a victory in any game. As the saying goes, the worst shot is the one not taken.

At least, we''ll never have to hear anything more about UH's money problems. Apparently, it has enough moolah.

245 Responses to “UH turns down Colorado offer”

  1. tommui:

    GOOD MORNING HAWAII!


  2. UHfan808:

    Good morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! :)


  3. haka:

    Go Warriors!
    Go Wahine!


  4. UHfan808:

    Wow, I posted #2 and mebbe #3! Lol


  5. Marleysdad:

    Good morning. Top 5

    Go Warriors!!!


  6. tommui:

    Brick by brick, stone by stone ...
    Unfortunately people expect Rome to be built in one day.

    There is too much hatred and bitterness on the blog - give it a rest. If you truly feel that way, go and tell it directly to the coaches and/or players.
    There is a Na Koa event at the Willows today at 11:00am - go there and vent, if you got the courage - and use your REAL name instead of hiding.


  7. Stephen Tsai:

    This is too bad. I really wanted to go to Boulder.


  8. 702WarriorFan:

    Aloha, Mr Mui
    Good decision on not playing CU, guess the net didn't amount to much $.


  9. markazulu:

    Good morning everyone


  10. Former UH Athlete:

    Hate to leave money on the table during this rebuilding year where the young guys could use the extra live reps.

    Win or lose, the extra game experience would have been good for the team.

    Did UH even try to make a counteroffer to get more before turning it down? CU is sitting on a ton of cash right now as they haven't spent much of their Pac12 tv money on facilities or campus upgrades. I'm sure UH could have negotiated more into the deal if they asked. Either higher pay or CU to pick up airfare or hotel costs could have been worked in.

    Oh well... guess this should be expected when politics, not common sense, run the university.


  11. jm2375:

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Counselor Mui - +1

    I observe the 48 hour rule after a loss. No reading the comments, only ST's post.

    That being said, the only thing I have to say is:
    GO BOWS!
    GO WAHINE!


  12. markazulu:

    @former UH athlete
    Maybe it had to do with how the game with nevada worked


  13. UHfan808:

    Do you know the reason why it was turned down, ST?


  14. haka:

    Good Morning tommui,
    Totally agree with you on the expectations this year. Before the season started everyone was saying they just want to be competitive and show improvement. Almost everyone, including the publications had Hawaii losing it's first five games. I think what has changed is that we have shown glimpses of capability and hope, which has changed the preseason expectations.


  15. Stephen Tsai:

    My guess is that the schools couldn't work out charter flights.
    Without a charter, UH would have to leave Thursday afternoon. That would be on the heels of playing UNLV on Oct. 12.


  16. Wes'side Warrior:

    Morning, Gang!

    Eh, UHfan808... your fb messages do work! See, I came straight here when I saw it!

    Tommui... right on!

    Glad that UH is sticking to their guns and not caving in on a very unbalanced negotiation.

    Heal up, Warriorz!

    Have a great day, everyone!


  17. Whats up:

    Norm Chow said on his show that he wanted to play Colorado, so that means Ben Jay turned down the Colorado game! Making a bowl game is almost impossible because the team is still in year 2 of rebuilding and the young freshman and sophomores need the live game reps to improve and build depth. This is the kind of game where UH makes money and the players get more experience for the future. To get 4 wins this season would be great considering all the injuries and such a young team overall in year 2 of the Norm Chow era. Hawaii is going to have to take the lumps and bruises this season and playing a extra game to gain experience to be a better team next season and so forth.

    ST what could have driven Ben Jay to make this bad decision (among his other bad decisions in the past, but thats another topic) to not take the Colorado game?


  18. Wes'side Warrior:

    Funny... we don't even know how the negotiations went, and yet some assume that we didn't even try. I believe we have enough sensible folks now in place to work out some kind of a fair deal. That not being the case, we declined. Yes, I don't know how negotiations went, but I'd like to believe we gave it a fair shot, and not just gave up.


  19. Pomai:

    IMHO I think UH should be more open with things like this and they are not. Jay should have made some kind of statement like, "They offered this ######### and we counter offered this ######## they came back with this as their final offer, we couldn't accept that so we turned them down".

    I think UH would gain more trust and support if they were more open.


  20. Former UH Athlete:

    ST, good point.... the travel issue must have been a big factor. Would have made sense that UH go straight from Vegas to Boulder, but then there's the class time issue. By first hand experience, some professors do not take kindly to athletes missing class time. The big lecture hall classes are no big deal, but the small classroom professors that tend to be tougher because they know everybody by name.

    If UH could have negotiated CU to pick up the tab + the expenses incurred to change the original return flight from Vegas to Honolulu, I'm sure UH would be able to find a way to deal with the extra missed class time.


  21. Boolakanka:

    Aloha-I'm the contrarian on this one--stay home, catch up on studies, and heal a bit.


  22. haka:

    Wes'side,
    Very true. So many, know so much, with so little and not so much.


  23. 3-Prong:

    ........be positive. Go Bows!


  24. Pomai:

    I'm sorry I don't buy the missed class time anymore, used too before computers and the internet. When you can go to major college full time online you can't tell me that there is no way that they can't make a way that the student-athlete can't get the class info online so they don't lose any class time. There is always a way if one looks hard enough....


  25. Whats up:

    It would have not been the first time the team has stayed on the mainland between games and could get there school work done via the internet or something. Come on we have smart phones, internet and all kinds of other ways to do long distance learning.

    Even though it's not fun, this is what has to happen to Hawaii football take the lickens now and get better in the future. This young team need to pay it's dues first, so no matter what anybody says this team full of freshman and sophomores hasn't paid it dues yet, period. And the Colorado game would have helped with much needed experience and toughening up.


  26. RedZone:

    I think the answers should come from Ben Jay.


  27. madeinhawaii:

    Too bad about the Colorado game. Just 9 more games.


  28. madeinhawaii:

    By mutual agreement, it seems. From Ferd's:

    "I don't want to go into the reasons why we made the decision, but Norm (Chow) and I decided not to play Colorado," Jay said.


  29. Stephen Tsai:

    Come Oct. 19, we'll all be saying: Wouldn't it be nice if there were a game today?


  30. RedZone:

    Heard on radio Billy Ray is not in good graces with the program.


  31. PeteJek:

    Boo...


  32. Warrior Dave:

    Chow may say he wanted to play the game but that's just coach-speak. I'm confident it was not only Ben's decision. Kudos to Ben for holding out for a charter flight at this late date and a big check. Yes the game reps would be good, but if this injury bug continues, we may be down to the 4-5th string QB, etc.

    I love UH football but you don't play a 13th game with 7 games on the road without it making financial sense.


  33. Warrior Dave:

    Mahalo Tommui for your comments.

    To bad it will fall on deaf ears. Haters need to hate because their personal lives suck!!


  34. tom-warriornation:

    Why did we blitz here--this was the game turning point--
    this gave their 3rd string QB the confidence he needed for the rest of the game! we should have been in our regular defense with 3rd down & 13 yards; after all, we already blitzed on 1st down & had a QB sack:

    Situation: Hawaii 3, Nevada 0, 6:24 remaining, first quarter, Nevada ball, third and 13 at own 22

    » The Play: QB Tyler Stewart avoids Hawaii's blitz just long enough to throw a pass to TE Kolby Arendse, who turns it into a 68-yard gain.

    » Impact: Three plays later, Stewart finds Arendse on a play-action 5-yard touchdown pass. It is the first of two TD passes to Arendse as Nevada scores 17 unanswered points and never trails again.


  35. tommui:

    #21 Boolakanka:

    What, you think these players should be treated as if they are students first?!!

    Such thinking could be regarded as heresy of the first order!


  36. Pomai:

    #28 - That is exactly what I was talking about, MR. JAY you are a state employee you work for us just as all the rest of the state employees, so if we(your boss) says we want to know the details then it is your job to given them... Sorry I just can't understand why they can't be more open.........


  37. Oingo Boingo:

    #32. UH has 3 QB's bracketed at 4th string! It's Graham and the rest of the pack. Woolsey is the best option at this stage and getting him some additional reps would have been nice. $600K would have surely helped UH at this stage. Chow doesn't even travel with the full allowable roster as mandated by MWC/NCAA rules. He's always under the max. Oh well, BJ, has his own agenda!


  38. Oingo Boingo:

    Pomai,

    Transparency is the word for today! BJ still using was paper!


  39. Pomai:

    One other thing does anyone know for sure that we have or have not talked to Hawaiian Air about how much they would charge UH for charter flights to all our away games? And if we have what are the details of the talks ($$$$$)


  40. Stephen Tsai:

    Oingo Boingo:
    Actually, UH traveled with 66 for the Oregon State game.


  41. Old Diver:

    Perhaps the reason Ben Jay cannot revel the reason for not going to Colorado is it would upset the fans.


  42. Stephen Tsai:

    Like I said last week, if I had a vote, I would play the game.
    Even if UH netted $250,000, that's money that could have been used to pay for the strength coach for the next six years.
    Plus, from a personal standpoint, I just like the idea of playing games. I think everybody does.
    But, as they say, it is what it is.


  43. Stephen Tsai:

    I think UH is beat up now and probably a little down after the Nevada loss.
    But like ideal City planners, you need to envision the future.
    If UH beats UNLV, then people are going to wish a game would be played the following week.
    It took the 30 years to build the H-3. At some point, somebody should have said: If we're going to spend this much time and money, and the population is going to grow, then maybe it should be three lanes each way.


  44. Stephen Tsai:

    I was going to make a reference about looking a gift Buffalo in the mouth, but I just can't make the pun work. Oh, well.


  45. gobows:

    What was diocemy's injury? Will he be able to play against fresno?


  46. boolakanka:

    35--Exactly counselor. Being on the road, even with tutors is not the same as being in the classroom with a professor and associated TAs. And I speak from two levels of experience, one having been on the road and missed classes due to athletic obligations and being currently in academia; so not only anecdotal level, but also what applied research on the topic, as well as peer perspectives on the subject. But, for those who may doubt me, please consider the following:

    1. Online courses require more time than on-campus classes.

    Believe it or not, you will spend more time studying and completing assignments in the online environment than you will in an on-campus course. How can that be? The online environment is text-based..

    2. Online courses make it easier to procrastinate.

    The dark side starts with procrastination. Procrastination is to a student what Darth Maul is to Qui Gon. Procrastination will chop you to bits in an online course. There is no one to tell you to get to class on time. There is no one reminding you that assignments are due or that exams are coming. There is no one to preach to you, beg with you, plead with you to stay on top of your coursework. .

    3.Online courses require good time-management skills.

    An Internet-based course demands that you develop personal time-management skills. As with most things, if you don't manage your time properly, you will find yourself buried beneath a seeming insurmountable mountain of coursework. Online courses require the self-discipline to set aside chunks of time to complete your studies. It means you have to make online studying a priority and not let other activities interfere. .

    4. Online courses may create a sense of isolation.

    In an online course, no one can hear you scream. And that causes discomfort for some online students. Studying alone with only the computer as your companion can be terrifying. .

    5. Online courses require you to be an active learner.

    It's a sink or swim proposition and you can't have it both ways. If you desire to become a responsible, self-sufficient, independently minded citizen of this planet, then now's the time to start. Life is not a dress rehearsal. Get busy with it.

    6. Online courses oftern don't have an instructor hounding you to stay on task.

    7. Online courses give you more freedom, perhaps, more than you can handle!

    This freedom can be dangerous if you don't learn how to handle it.

    8. Online courses require that you find your own path to learning.

    So, in a philosophical sort of way, the real disadvantage to an Internet-based course is that you might not own up to it. You might not take responsibility for your studies and your goals. You might get way behind and never catch up.


  47. Oingo Boingo:

    Wonder what BJ would do if the Colorado AD had said "if you don't agree to the game in October, we'll cancel the 2014 - 2015 home and home series!" AD could've have really put the gun to UH's brain trust on this one.


  48. roygbivs aka T. Thurstan:

    That's a shame. I would think the more games the better.


  49. jeezy33:

    Hawaii has nothing to lose by playing Colorado. Bad decision. Even if Hawaii is banged up, it's more reps for younger back ups and possibly a young inexperienced QB


  50. jm2375:

    boola - #46 IRT #2 - do people remember the (in)famous Psych 100 course? It was unit mastery and IIRC you only had to show up for 1 "lecture" at the beginning. The rest was taking quizzes at your own pace. I'm sure there were a lot of students taking all their quizzes during the last 2 weeks of school...

    Also, don't forget about the science labs. Not sure how you make up those that were missed.


  51. RedZone:

    MRI results?


  52. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    I'm skeptical that academic concerns were the main reason why the game was axed or that playing the 13th game would've really harmed the players academically when UH has always played 13 game seasons before.


  53. Pomai:

    boolakanka not saying they should take online courses, but with today technology, they in fact could attend classes live or delayed, all it would take is someone to get involved to make it happen. In fact the first question I would ask is who is missing what classes when we leave on a Thursday and return on a Sunday and then go from there? I'm not just talking about the game at Colorado i'm talking all away games. I am so tired of hearing the first words out of UH when it is suggested about doing something different, "NO it can't be done".


  54. Derek:

    I love our Rainbow Warriors, but right now they are not exciting. Only one touchdown isn't going to do it. Not in today's college football. Our defense get worn out. Chow has to be accountable. Pro style QBs are a dying breed. Older head coaches are a dying breed. They are set in their ways after all those years. This is not the BYUs of old. We need a young driven innovator who is with the times at the helm. That's just my opinion.


  55. Warrior Dave:

    #47, Colorado AD would be stupid to threaten to pull those games. The Buffs recruit Hawaii successfully, it's games they could possibly win, fans attend the home game when Hawaii plays there due to all the transplants that live there. Probably the boosters enjoy the trip to Hawaii as well.


  56. boolakanka:

    50--Unit mastery was my nemesis, every semester taking a unit-a-day, for the last 3 weeks of the semester, (cause i ignored it then other 12 weeks) then promising myself never to do that again, and then signing for "just one more time...."--I hate unit mastery!!!


  57. Former UH Athlete:

    Taking an objective look back on Saturday... now that the air has cleared.

    UH had 217 net yards in 1st half.... Easily the best production of the year.
    0 1st half turnovers
    St Juste had 82 yards in 1st half.... then got hurt and didn't play 2nd half

    UH left some points on the board and need to execute better in plus territory. UH had a missed FG and a TD negated by a holding penalty in the 2nd half.

    Defense played well overall, but for whatever reason, was very poor on 3rd down in the 1st half. Nevada was 9 of 12 on 3rd down in the 1st half. Nevada's only 2 big plays came on blown assignments and both on 3rd down. Tyler Stewart got 125 of his 202 passing yards on 2 plays: a 68y catch-n-run on 3rd & 13 and a 57y catch-n-run on 3rd & 4.

    The turning point in this game was the big mistake by Schroeder to start the 2nd half. That turned the whole complexion of the game. Then the OL fell apart and then it was open season on UH QBs. It was still a one score game at that point.

    Nevada's 2nd half points came directly from UH turnovers by the backup QBs. Nevada did not manufacture a single scoring drive outside the short field off Schroeder's INT and Higgin's fumble for TD.

    In spite of the final score... UH did do a lot better as most of their yards were when the games was competitive. It's not like UH racked up their yards in garbage time. UH left 10 points on the field in the 2nd half and the 6 2nd half turnovers made the score look worse than it was, and added the extra sour taste in fan's mouths and provided the haters with extra ammo.


  58. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    I'm relieved that UH has turned down the CU game. We certainly need to heal up and could use that extra week for badly needed practice.


  59. boolakanka:

    53--my point was not that it can't be done, but rather what I know about athletics and its sometime stark tension with educational obligations, being away makes for a challenging learn dynamic, for many who are behind in the curve. The didactic of learning away from the classroom, in large chunks of time, can be debilitating for even the most earnest student.


  60. jeezy33:

    57. I think its time to admit that we are running an outdated system that only works with NFL caliber players... We put our team in no position to have success on offense against a team with more talent on defense.

    Alabama, Wisconsin, Stanford, and LSU are the only programs I can think of who run an effective pro style offense. But those teams have NFL caliber Linemen, WRs, RBs, and QBs that will at least get on a NFL pre season squad. McCarron and Mettenberger probably get drafted within top 4 rounds.

    You watch teams like Texas Tech, Baylor, Oregon, Houston, and list goes on. They lose NFL caliber QBs and skilled players, and the next year, the drop off is minimal. People thought Baylor was going to be average after RG3. Baylor is still putting up 70 point games with a new QB. Texas Tech is still lighting up the scoreboard with a walk on freshman. Nevada is still putting up points with a 3rd string QB.

    At some point, Norm needs to step back and hire a OC to install a innovative offense if this team is going to have any bit of success scoring.


  61. kifi:

    I'm glad that Hawii turned down that Colorado game. Yes, additional income is great, but not at the expense of the student athletes. The players will benefit from a much needed bye week to rest up their bodies and their minds.

    Team may have a chance to get into the Hawaii bowl if they can win six games. Going bro the Hawaii bowl would be a great accomplishment for our team.


  62. Pomai:

    boolakanka not saying it would not be a challenge, but then that's where the academia comes into play, make it work. There is no reason that upper campus and lower campus should not work together so that the student-athlete has whatever it takes to meet their obligations in the classroom, I myself like the old expression "If there is a will there is a way" 'Ho'onipa'a


  63. jm2375:

    boola and pomai - don't forget about group work. Trying to do group work remotely doesn't always work well, it's much better face-to-face.


  64. Pomai:

    Well I guess it's time to let go and move forward. GO WARRIORS


  65. azwarrior22:

    ST - What's the health status of Taylor?


  66. Warrior Dave:

    #60, hiring an OC would be in name only. Chow will never turn over the play calling to someone other than himself. He needs to be in control of what he feels is his strength, calling offense.

    JJ called 100% of the plays but I don't know if he had an OC. I remember he hiring Asst. or Associate HC so they could be paid more.


  67. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #63,

    Lets not forget labs and what not. Hard to do labs in a hotel room.


  68. boolakanka:

    67--Only labs I did in a hotel room was watch too much cinemax and order room service.


  69. Oingo Boingo:

    #55 Brian Cabral former Crusader is no longer on the staff. Three current Buffs ain't exactly lighting the fire up in Boulder. UH would have more to lose if the series was threatened. Colorado is doing UH a favor by keeping them on the schedule. Colorado could easily replace UH in 2014 with a FCS or another cupcake like UH as they only have UMass and CSU as out of conference opp.

    On another issue, class scheduling for athletes is usually weighted to attending class on Monday - Wednesday. Friday classes would be the exception due to traveling issues. I can see missing class time for science majors being a major issue (lab time), but come on there's only a handful of them on the roster. If they absolutely can't go, then so be it stay home and bring another athlete. It's been done before.


  70. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    There are more labs than just natural science related labs. Social sciences have many labs as well.


  71. (Jesse)James:

    Good morning Tsaikos!!!! Well, I have mixed feelings about the Colorado game....


  72. madeinhawaii:

    I kind of agree with you guys. Why go with the 1st team if they're banged up? I mean, the chances of making a bowl game are slim to none this season. A game against Colorado would have been an great opportunity to test some of the newer talent on the team. Give them game time reps. Those that need to stay back for academic and healing issues, should stay back.


  73. madeinhawaii:

    How are we going to do in Basketball this season?


  74. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    houston isn't very good since sumlin left. there are a lot of mid major teams running some variation of spread that turn into disaster zones after players graduate or coaches leave. for example, whatever happened to central michigan?

    As far as pro style goes, I think michigan runs a variation of it, ohio state used to until tressel got the axe (and it wasn't becuase of lack of success), nobody has ever accused boise of not being able to score points or being boring and they run a variation of the pro-style, i think colorado does? NFL, of course runs all kinds of variations of the pro style, so i dont' think it's outdated there at all. football is a game of fads. everyone used to do the triple option, then everyone did power I, run and shoot busted on the scene, and air raid, pro style offenses like the west coast, or don coryelle or whatever. georgia tech and most of the service academies run the triple option (which, if that's not "outdated," then idk what is) but they each have their own variations on it. even traditionally "pro style" offenses incorporate a lot of spread concepts (like the run and shoot, air raid with receivers dragging across the field, etc).

    pro style is not a single static set of offensive plays anymore than "spread" is.

    that being said, yeah, you need certain types of players to run a pro style offense, just like you need certain types of players to run the paul johnson flexbone or the run and shoot. then these players need to execute and the coach can't have rocks between his ears and needs to be able to coach.

    Before you blame the offense itself, I think you should first define "pro style" offense, and then explain (in detail please) the variations that chow runs (including plays), what his offensive philosophy is and why it won't work schematically. it's obviously not working in the game, so please dont' give answers like "boring play calling." if you're saying that it's more of a schematic vs an execution issue, then please explain why.


  75. (Jesse)James:

    #19 POMAI!!!!!....Agreed. However, I heard through some pretty "reliable" sources that the offer was approximately $500,000 without any travel costs being picked up. That wouldn't have been a huge moneymaker for UH. Now, if the payout was a $1,000,000 and we were to net $500,000 it would have been another story.


  76. madeinhawaii:

    Of the following 33 teams, which do you think we can successfully recruit against regularly?

    Colorado (Pro)
    Colorado State (Pro)
    Connecticut (Pro)
    Florida (Pro)
    Florida Atlantic (Pro)
    Georgia (Pro)
    Hawaii (Pro)
    Illinois (Pro)
    Iowa (Pro)
    Kentucky (Pro)
    Maryland (Pro)
    Miami (Pro)
    Michigan State (Pro)
    Minnesota (Pro)
    Nebraska (Pro)
    North Carolina (Pro)
    Ole Miss (Pro)
    Pittsburgh (Pro)
    Rutgers (Pro)
    San Diego State (Pro)
    South Carolina (Pro)
    Stanford (Pro)
    Syracuse (Pro)
    Tennessee (Pro)
    Tulane (Pro)
    UCF (Pro)
    USC (Pro)
    Virginia (Pro)
    Virginia Tech (Pro)
    Washington (Pro)
    Western Kentucky (Pro)
    Western Michigan (Pro)
    Wisconsin (Pro)


  77. UHi5:

    Good decision not to play CO. , I mean who wants to watch another blow out loss... @ least the team won't miss out on studies. Really UH did you guys just come off a bye to put up 9 pts? give me a break already stop playing like a bunch of _____. Embarrassed to support this team.


  78. jm2375:

    And on a more positive note, Wahine vb moves up to #6 in latest poll.
    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130923_Rainbow_Wahine_up_to_No_6_in_volleyball_poll.html?id=224907602


  79. dannyp:

    60

    Truth bro. I mean for all the talent UDUB recruits they were only 99th in the nation in total yards last year with their WCO. This year Sarkisian switches wholesale to a spread and the exact same players are now top 3 in yards per game...


  80. amela:

    Health, study then football is what's best for the boys. Think of them first not you.


  81. madeinhawaii:

    Women's soccer also won on the road... they come home for what will hopefully be a tune-up game against HPU before starting Conference play.


  82. Warrior Dave:

    #69, forgot to add the cancellation penalty Buffs would have to pay or time and effort to find UH a suitable replacement. You think a FCS opponent would draw better than Hawaii????


  83. jeezy33:

    61. Rest up for what? This is football season.


  84. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    dannyp: georgia has some pretty talented recruits too, and they light up the scoreboard. Penn State is doing alright too. My point is, yeah, different offenses have different strengths, and the run and shoot will rack up a hell of a lot more yardage in the air than the flexbone, depending on your personnel, spread offenses tend to equalize the playing field against more athletic teams by putting players in space, etc etc.

    but i think people here sometimes tend to get really reductive, like blaming UH football problems almost entirely on taylor graham (after the USC game), or saying that chow's offense has schematic flaws that will never allow him to succeed in hawaii (btw, i don't consider recruitment of players a schematic flaw) by saying "the pro style offense is boring and outdated."


  85. The Pillar:

    Some Perspective...

    I, 100,000% support the UH football program. And whether I support UH football or not is of no consequence to the football program. I am not the reason the football program exists.

    There are greater problems in this world that require human energy and effort than UH Football winning games. When politicians in Washington make bad decisions, people can die. If Doctors make bad decisions, people can die. No one dies if UH football loses one game or every game in a season.

    Is football just a game? Football may not be just a game for a student athlete. He may be trying for a scholarship to go to school and get a degree. He may be trying to improve in the game for a possible professional career. He may just be trying to better himself as a person. A student athlete may have a personal love for the game...period. Maybe the student athlete is fulfilling the wishes of a loved one who has since passed. There are many reasons for a student athlete to see football as not just a game, but as a catalyst for something more honorable in life. For the fan (the non-player), however, football is just a game. As a fan, I enjoy watching the games as a diversion to making a comfortable life for me and my family in this beautiful world.

    The American culture of expecting wins is dishonest especially when the playing field heavily favors some over others. The starting point is not nearly equal, but the ending point is expected to be the same. This is reality, but it is dishonest.

    The environment of college football is corrupt. Expecting wins in this environment is dishonest especially when you're not part of the corruption. Somewhere along the way, many people forgot that the point that amateur athletics should be based on honest and fair competition. Instead, money and greed took over and created a wider and wider gap of the "have's" and the "have not's." This makes fair and honest competition difficult. The current environment of college football is entirely dishonest, making survival difficult for the "have not's."

    UH is a "have not", so even more so, I support the UH football program 100,000%.

    As a fan, I also appreciate the effort of the student athletes and coaches, win or lose. Effort can be and should be rewarded with appreciation. That's the honest way to live life. There is a game loser in every game, but losing a game, doesn't make one a loser. Losing doesn't always reflect effort, especially in amateur athletics. Lessons learned in losing a game can make one a winner in the game of life. Therefore, winning shouldn't be important, but effort should be.

    Thank you for the effort, UH football coaches and staff. I know how difficult it is to compete in this environment.

    I am a fan of UH football. No strings attached.


  86. (Jesse)James:

    #50...Jm####....I took that course my freshman year. You had to pass like 18 chapters to get the A; 17 to get the B; 16 to get the C; and so on. LOL, I wanted to get the class over with so I did the 18 chapters in the first four and a half weeks of school and I was done with it.... :-)


  87. Pomai:

    (J)J I have said from the start - minimum would have been - $600,000.00 after expenses anything less then I would agree we pass....


  88. boolakanka:

    80--Succinct and salient--nice comment.


  89. Derek:

    A name to think about for the near future, former Rainbow Warrior Dino Babers, #34. Babers played for Dick Tomey and is now Head Coach at Eastern Illinois. He has built a nice resume. He is certainly qualified to be a Head Coach here if he is interested. Babers was a linebacker who also played special teams. He was unheralded, but he was a solid player.


  90. Hmmmm:

    IDK the problems the offense must overcome, but UH is 0 - 3. The Offense is impotent and they're literally getting mauled on the field...They have to turn it around soon.


  91. boolakanka:

    89--Nope Dino, played more RB/and a little DB with a lot of special teams. Brother was as they say "yoked out"--e.g. very built.


  92. dannyp:

    84

    Except Georgia doesn't run a WCO... and they have arguably the best QB and the best RB in the nation they could run any offense and be successful. The only team that runs a WCO successfully is Stanford and thats because they have a shutdown D.


  93. Derek:

    Babers worked as an assistant at a lot of colleges, including UCLA, Texas A&M, and Baylor.
    At Eastern Illinois, he said he runs the "Baylor" offense. In other words, they score a lot of points. Eastern Illinois is now 3-1 on the season. They lost a close game to Northern Illinois on Saturday, which is no disgrace. They actually had a chance to win the game. Eastern Illinois also upset San Diego St. in the first game of the season, 40-19, in San Diego. Sign him up now!!!!!!!

    P.S. Babers is 52. In taking the Eastern Illinois Head Coaching job he actually took a big pay cut to leave Baylor. He said his life long dream is to be a Head Coach. Don't you think it's a perfect situation for Hawaii and Babers??????

    Trivia buffs: 1) What Hawaii player now plays at Eastern Illinois? Answer: Andrew Manley
    2) Who's the most famous Eastern Illinois alumni? Answer: Tony Romo


  94. gobows:

    #89
    Maybe confused with #33 Steve lehor


  95. dannyp:

    89

    I've been pumping up Dino since the offseason lol. Dude runs a cutting edge offense, speaks well, has Hawaii ties (I don't care for it but it matters), and is only making 170K at Eastern Illinois so he'd come cheap. If he isn't interested we could go for Bob Stitt.

    Anyway its all moot if Chow can turn it around...


  96. boolakanka:

    80 & 89--Just clarifying...Dino would sometimes practice with the OLBs, but they were pretty stacked, with John Taylor, Alvis Satele, James Elias, and a young ML Johnson. He got much more reps and playing time at RB and occasionally at DB, and played on most of the special teams packages.


  97. LizKauai:

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    I Like *.bows

    FootBows
    BaseBows
    VolleyBows
    SoccerBows
    SwimBows
    DiveBows
    SailBows

    and the WahineVBows, SoftBows, etc.etc.

    LETS GO, BOWS!


  98. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    dannyp: it depends. they run a variation of it, even stanford does. yeah, recruits do matter, but they also execute very well. boise state has a lot of success with their variation of a pro style offense with 3 star (max) recruits, including wins over teams with superior athletes. They execute really well (although they seem to be having a down year this season). so like i said, recruits do matter but i think all this stuff about how the pro style offenses (and all of their variations being run by different programs) is outdated (becuase schematically you can't win with them) and we need some kind of wide open read-option/blur type of offense is pretty reductive. UH isn't executing for whatever reason, and I feel that it's a lot more complicated than "the pro style is too predictable and boring."


  99. Derek:

    The person who has great insight in Dino Babers is Dick Tomey. I hope Tomey says something about him, maybe on the radio or the TV stations.

    P.S. If we go 0-12 on the season, what does Ben Jay do? It's not an impossibility. Look at the teams we are playing. That last game at home against Army is not easy.


  100. Leahi2:

    Chow is supposed to be a QB coach (passing) . In the Nevada game I counted at least 3 passes, maybe 4, where the opposing Defensive Linemen deflected the pass in our QB's face. I guess our QBs are being pressured too much and it may also be that our pass receivers aren't as fast and deceptive as we would like them to be. There must be something done to counter this deficiency. So how does Chow figure this one out? Saint Juste and Lakalaka are very good running backs. It appears that the latter will be very busy on Sundays a few years from now. He looks to be better than Alex Green when he was here. Yet, at this rate, are we going to be better than 3 and 9 this year?


  101. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    although personally, i really like the run and shoot, and i like watching the wide open offenses that look like basketball on a football field, because no matter what, it's entertaining. unless the team totally sucks at it.


  102. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    Derek: unless ben jay stumbles on a $1M treasure chest or however much it takes to buy out chow's contract, i suspect that he'll put chow on the hotseat for season 3 and then see what happens from there.


  103. observation only:

    why is billy in the dog house? what did he do? come on. i want to see the local boys.


  104. observation only:

    billy = billy ray stutzman #5 saint louis high


  105. Former UH Athlete:

    Derek... trivia questions with answers attached?

    That sounds like History 151 and Anthropology 151 classes I took at UH.


  106. Whats up:

    The players just had a bye week and it did what good? Nothing, the team still lost and injures still happened. You cant practice the game speed or experience, period. This young team needs live game reps to build for the future.


  107. 808souljah:

    Did they Warriors have practice this morning or is it this afternoon?


  108. jeezy33:

    Derek, Dino Babers or Norwood at Baylor would be premium candidates. Don't know why either didn't get hired last time around. At this point, Norwood might be up for a better job so we might be out of luck. Banker from OSU would have been a awful choice in my eyes. I don't need to repeat my opinion of the Chow hiring.

    And regarding money, I don't know if Ben Jay can afford to keep the HC is the offense continues to look like crap and fans slowly stop showing up to games.....

    I'll always attend the home games and UNLV road games but I wouldn't blame fans who prefer saving money and choosing to spend their Saturday nights on doing something else.

    College sports is entertainment at the end of the day even though student athletes don't get paid. There needs to be a product put out on the field that is somewhat entertaining to watch or a lot of fans wont show up.


  109. Wes'side Warrior:

    As far as this for and against argument to being on the road and lost classroom time...

    How did our Wahine Softball team pull it off being on the road over a month during that WCWS run? I think they took finals like a week before the World Series. So they were at least on the road for 3+ weeks of study/crunch time.

    And I can't imagine it's just a numbers game in regards to tutors, etc... having more student-athletes to deal with when comparing the football team to Wahine Softball. I mean, the football team has more resources than any other sport, right?

    Does anyone know? Thanks!


  110. Former UH Athlete:

    jeezy... I agree, Chow needs to have an OC take care of the offense.

    but.... who does UH hire?

    UH doesn't have the budget to bring in anybody of significance. If Chow chooses not hire a new OC, I think he should at the very least hire a fulltime QB coach. That'll relieve him of a big duty (and time consuming) of teaching the QBs and he can focus more on game planning and putting things together. I think that would help a lot even if Chow doesn't give up the OC duties.

    I think coaches can cover two areas (HC+QB or HC+OC, for example) and still be good. Three areas stretches them too thin especially when they have to deal with all the other off the field responsibilities a head coach has to deal with.

    Hiring a QB coach opens the door for young blood to give Chow additional input. Maybe Chow should hire one of his former QB recruits... Matt Leinart might be available now that he's not working now. Maybe John David Booty is willing to give coaching a shot. No better place to start than at UH, under their former OC and no pressure. Maybe John Beck formerly at BYU... He wasn't a Chow guy, but the BYU fraternity is strong. They weren't awesome players in the NFL, but that doesn't mean they don't have valuable knowledge they could pass down to UH QBs. Jordan Wynn at GA is a start, but he's fresh out of college and didn't go through the ringer of NFL training camps. The others I mentioned have years of NFL QB camp drills ingrained into their skulls.

    Plus going the QB coach route saves money. UH is a good place for a former player to get their coaching career started (Rolovich comes to mind). Hate to say UH would be a stepping stone for aspiring coaches, but if utilized correctly, you can get great mileage out of assistants until they leave for bigger opportunities.


  111. dannyp:

    110

    Bob Stitt for OC nuff said.


  112. Leahi2:

    About Jeezy 33, #108 above. You brought up a good point. This is a business matter. Now this is the very same reason why Chow wouldn't keep Cal Lee on his staff. Yes, his old childhood friend, Cal Lee! So now Ben jay has a big problem.. Keep Chow and his poor production (and this is not about winning or losing but about inept playing) and you find that the fans won't go to the games; neither will they subscribe to PPV. No monetary revenues and no football. This again is a business problem. Of course Chow is a nice guy but so is Cal Lee. All right, so we had one 3&9 Season and nobody is blaming the HC for that one. Now BJay can't buy out Chow's contract because there's no money for that. Its also hard to find another HC to Coach for that measly salary. Also, who wants to play for a loser and not just a loser but a hopeless case..


  113. Former UH Athlete:

    following up on my last post (110)

    Aaron Price was paid $118,000 as OC. THat's way below the average OC pay nationally, and one of the bottom in the MWC. Just for comparison's sake, and OC salaries aren't very easy to find for non-BCS schools... Rolo is now making $240,000 reportedly starting this year.


  114. Independent Thinker:

    Fred Von Appen Norm Chow

    Year Win loss Year Win Loss

    1996 2 wins 10 losses 2012 3 wins 9 losses
    1997 3 wins 9 losses 2013 o wins 3 losses
    1998 0 wins 12 losses 2014 ? ?

    Compare the two.

    The UH student athletes deserve better.

    Looking at the remaining schedule, I do not see where UH will pick up a win. The following assumes chows "A" team, with Taylor at the helm, takes the field.

    FSU 42, UH 10
    SJS 38, UH 9
    UNLV 27, UH 6
    CSU 28, UH 3
    US 30, UH 7
    Navy 38, UH 10
    SDS 28, 10
    Army 24, 10


  115. JuneJonesleftusgetoverit:

    ROlo?

    Guys honestly. We need to do better than ROlo if we are getting rid of chow. Stop trying to get June Jones wanna bee mofos


  116. madeinhawaii:

    Rolo?
    Rolo isn't RnS anymore. He's Pistol with RnS know how. Very little of the RnS has been incorporated into his playbook. Maybe next season with the new QB.


  117. jeezy33:

    FUHA, I don't know the answer to that question. I think the hiring of NC was under the assumption he could run the offense and still have control of the team like JJ did. It's clear that he cant though. Jones may not have won every season at Hawaii, but the offense was never an issue as far as moving the ball and putting up points. Jones definitely had his flaws as a HC and could point them out if i wanted to but point I'm trying to make is this offense cannot be given a 3 year window to show any amounts of hope.

    At this point, his only option would be to hire someone young and cheap that is a real student of the game. Utah did it with Brian Johnson and BYU did it with Doman. And I'm not even saying those guys are good OCs. Rolo was a gamble with McMackin and proved to be one of his better moves along with the hiring of Dave Aranda. I've been critical of McMackin but I'll give him credit in areas I did feel he made good moves.

    People may not think it's a big deal but Social Media is HUGE as far as recruiting goes. As a whole, it seems like our staff in general is behind in the aspect of using Twitter and Facebook as a tool to monitor and recruit athletes. Some of the coaches do. But as a whole we are behind in technology. I point that out because we are also behind in the new innovative offenses that seem to be succeeding in this era of football. And our ability to game plan and make half time adjustments shows that we may work hard, but we don't work smart.


  118. Shoko:

    I thought the Packs three-tight end set and wildcat play was interesting. Would never see that in Ault's offense.


  119. Shoko:

    Thought the idea to bring in Jordan Wynn was a similar situation to Brian Johnson. Make him a QB coach then eventually promote him to OC.


  120. oldtimer808:

    I enjoy reading your blog ST for all the good information that is shared here and for all the humor in reading from all the bloggers who have the audacity to assume everything and anything concerning sports. As far as I'm concerned a decision was made by Mr. Jay in not accepting the game with Colorado. Does he have to give all the reasons why, I say no. It is ridiculous to have to share everything that goes on in negotiations to every concerned fan when there may be other concerns that will be addressed down the road. Good negotiators do not show their hand in public.


  121. Former UH Athlete:

    112... UH has had money issues for a long time. The Aloha Stadium deal is terrible for the university, but there's no other option unless Lower Campus hits a big PowerBall jackpot and builds a stadium of their own (that's a whole another issue/debate).

    The stadium issue led to the PPV deal, but that's a double edge sword as it definitely impacted ticket sales and when the program has down periods, revenue is going to drop harder as many of the fans are now too lazy to go to the stadium once they are good again. People like to watch the PPV at parties so it's not like there's an incredible number of PPV buys to begin with. Shoot, attendance was actually very disappointing during the Brennan era. Only 2 sellouts during the 3 years under Brennan was orchestrating one of the greatest offensive shows in NCAA history.

    All football programs are cyclical. Teams rise and fall over the years. Oregon sucked before the late 90's. Alabama was a mediocre SEC team until Saban arrived. Wazzu goes from good in the early 90's to bad, to great from '97-'02, then mediocre, then terrible... Now Wazzu is 3-1 and could be 4-0 this year if not for bad mistakes by their QB. Texas has been declining ever since playing in the BCS title game just 4 years ago.

    Hawaii is no different. Hawaii is down now, but this group of freshmen and sophomores look really good for the future.


  122. Shoko:

    Wasn't the price tag of $118, 000 just the remainder of what was owed to Price, and not the base salary of the OC position?


  123. Shoko:

    Anyway, its a good thing the blog host doesn't have to trip to Boulder next month. The Native-American run casino's don't have good pay outs. ;)


  124. markazulu:

    again former uh athlete i think you make another good point


  125. Think2Much:

    Fresno brings the best offensive that UH will face so far. They couldn't run against Boise but their passing game was explosive. In a quick striking, up tempo offense, Carr picks up his receivers immediately. The receivers run their routes, turn around to receive the ball in their gut and continue running upstream. UH has been solid against the run and should be the same with FS.

    Is Schroeder hurt? Is that why he didn't continue in Nevada or is it the coaches gave up and wanted to see film on the other QBs? If he's okay, I am guessing he will be the starting QB.


  126. Derek:

    If we go 0-12, do we give the Head Coach more rope for another year. Can you accept a team averaging less than 14 points per game for the season. If you said yes, then I think we would be the laughing stock of college football. That said, I feel badly for our defense. They deserve better. We need that one QB to move this team. Our offense sucks.


  127. Popololoco:

    #116...Rolo has to run the Pistol Offense, there's no way in hell the Nevada fateful will let Rolo completely take away Chris Ault's legacy. Everybody at UH was so worried about the "Rainbows" nickname. Chow came in and stole our identity from under our noses, where was the uproar about that? You know the old saying, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. So how do you like what Chow has done to the place so far?


  128. A-House:

    why is it necessary to go to Colorado to for the "backup" players to see quality playing time?

    why can't it be done every game - home or away? unless I'm far off-base, it's the coaches who decide who plays and when.

    also, in 2012 it was Schroeder who had the "IT" factor; 2013, it's Graham who has it; who will it be in 2014? whatever the decision is, Chow will stick his neck out with the "it" factor and tends to play that QB until he is injured hope he can change and move away from the "pro-set offense" as UH will never recruit the players necessary to run it well.

    I'm encouraged that UH has been able to continue the upward trend to attract more and more talented players - but how long will it take to run a 'pro-set" offense well? Chow is in his late 60s and it one assumes it will take 10 years, will he still be around as the HC?


  129. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    Derek: You give him rope, but a very short one. As in, "hey, man. look, it's year three. you have your system installed and your recruits in the places where they should be. we need some wins, like at the very least hawaii bowl, or you might be in the unemployment line before december rolls around."


  130. Independent Thinker:

    From Ferd story on CU game:

    "I don't want to go into the reasons why we made the decision, but Norm (Chow) and I decided not to play Colorado," Jay said.

    I can imagine the conversation.

    [Disclaimer: the following is a fictitious and imaginary conversation between Norm and Ben. It is not intended to be and should not be interpreted to be a reported conversation between Norm and Ben. This disclaimer is put here for those who do not understand when statements of this type are meant for entertainment purposes only.]

    BJ: Norm, can we beat those guys or what?

    Norm: Brah, no can.

    BJ: Ok, thanks, braddah Norm, I will issue a press statement saying we spoke and we both agreed it would not be in our best interest to play CU. Shoots!!


  131. observation only:

    colorado would be just another nail in the coffin!


  132. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Brandon Doman does not have a coaching job at the moment. He may not have been a stellar-omg OC at BYU but he may be able to help us and coach QB's at the same time.


  133. cocobean:

    We have met the enemy and he is us.

    It's not as much about the other team's defenses stopping our offense. It's been more about our offense shooting itself in the foot and stopping themselves. To me that's been the most frustrating part about the Chow regime so far.


  134. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    We can be play tough if we force Fresno to abandon its passing game and just run. Wait, Pat Hill isn't the coach any more? In that case we kidnapp Carr.

    I can game plan like the best of 'em. :)


  135. Whats up:

    To compare Chow Hawaii football teams to VonAppen makes me wonder if Independent Thinker even watch Hawaii football in the 90's or was he still swimming in his dads testicles, just got lucky to not be a wet dream stain on the sheets.

    During the VonAppen Era Hawaii football sucked okole on defense, offense and special teams. There was no bright spot in any phase of the game during that time. Right now the offense is struggling but the defense and special teams are playing well. But when you starting QB goes down mid game expect poor execution the rest of the game. The injures are piling up as usual with Hawaii teams. But a Chow coached team is better that VonAppen coach team anyday.


  136. kifi:

    Why are we talking about hiring another coach when there are no openings available on the staff? It's obvious that we could use another coach on the offensive side of the ball, but it won't happen if there's no room available on staff.


  137. jeezy33:

    Derek, I don't see Hawaii going 0-12. But there is always a IF factor. And If Hawaii does go 0-12, there is no way he keeps his job. Ticket and PPV sales will all drop drastically and I don't think the football team will have enough interest to stay afloat.

    I don't know the money side of college sports in regards to Hawaii so just my opinion.


  138. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    There is plenty more football to be played this season. Still gotta have hope that things will turn for the better.

    Thought the turn was Nevada, my next best guess is that it happens vs. UNLV.

    We stand to be competitive in a bunch of games if our offense improves to a level of just being acceptable. Something, sometime has got to work. Gotta keep the faith.


  139. hon2255:

    Tom mui, Ling hi mui, whateva, the student athletes are trying their best, anyone who wants to vent ,let them vent, this country represents free speech, when the team is doing poorly expect unhappy fans. Criticism is expected, some people are pro Chow, and some can't stand his coaching style ,decisions ,etc. If some of you have differences let it out, difference of opinion is always good.


  140. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    What's up: It's a well known fact that IT has no idea what he's talking about most of the time.


  141. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    #136 Kifi,

    I think the conversation is for the hire to take place after season's end. It's obvious that there is no room even if there was interest.


  142. jeezy33:

    136. Because this is a football blog where people express their opinions. Happens for every D1 football team, as well as NFL team. Nothing personal...


  143. jeezy33:

    Raiders +16.5 tonight... lets go football gods


  144. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    jeezy: lol 16.5 is a lot of points to give, but still. the raiders. good luck to you, though. maybe backdoor cover tonight by the raiders. hope you get that money.


  145. jeezy33:

    Only way this game is going to be any bit enjoyable is to make a small wager.... but thanks


  146. JuneJonesleftusgetoverit:

    So whats up with the injuries? I need to know if I should bet on Fresno -74


  147. Independent Thinker:

    The players - aka, the "team" - are fine. No problem there. The comparison above was related to coaching results and the win-loss records of Chow and Von Appen.

    Hard to explain to brain dead people the distrinction between the two, but I am trying.

    Have never had a problem with the student athletes. Check. They are not paid professionals. Check. They are not paid to evaluate talent. Check. They are not paid to decide who to put on the field. Check. They are not paid to decide who is most likely to help the team win. Check. These are the functions of the paid professionals. Check. Therefore, I do not blame the players for the losses. I blame the guy or guys who put those players on the field b/c obviously, the guys who made the decision about who to play and not to play are the guys ultimately responsible for the loss. Bad decision making led to the loss.

    The problems, and this is getting old, if any, rest with the paid professionals. These are the guys paid to evaluate talent, make decisions concerning those evaluations, and to put on the field those who the paid guys think will lead the team to victory.

    When the paid professionals make the wrong decisions about evaluating talent and who to play, and who, when on the field, is most likely to help us achieve victory, obviously, we lose. End of story. Not that hard to understand.

    The above is only hard to understand if you are brain dead, as some apparently are based on some of the comments and criticisms made above re: the win-loss records of Von Appen and Chow.


  148. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    JJleftus: fresno is only giving 74??? then fresno and the over. lock it in!


  149. Maddog50:

    Could care less about the CU offer just want a win as soon as possible....concentrate on MW and this weeks opponent....Go Warriors


  150. Shoko:

    That's a good question on the diagnosis with Graham. Dislocated or separated shoulder or something less serious?


  151. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    IT, you missed the point. You are trying to draw parallels with chow and von appen by just win/loss records. What's Up is saying that you can't do that because when you look at the performance of the two teams, the caliber of recruits, and how they played, 2013 UH football is bad, but not as bad as the von appen years. you're trying to just put chow and von appen with their win/loss record in a vacuum but it doesn't work like that.

    as far as your blah blah blah about paid professionals evaluating talent wrong (becuase apparently you're an expert at evaluating that even though you don't have the first idea about coaching and no experience playing college sports or any kind of organized sport at a high level), I mean, i guess i would reply to that but honestly it was tl;dr.


  152. Shoko:

    For what its worth, I think the Nevada game wouldn't have been as lopsided if Graham didn't get hurt. With Chow's bad luck with injuries, I think he needs to hire a full-time shaman to the staff. Not this year, but maybe next year.

    Opening line for this weekends game is Hawaii 18.5 point underdogs with over/under of 58.


  153. Michael Tsuda:

    Just an Opinion:

    Last season, two former U of H football players (one offensive player & one defensive player) were interviewed on tv. Both of them stated that the "pro style" offense being employed by NC would only be successful if he (NC) had superior type of athletes to play in this system, especially on the O line. I believe they also made reference to the caliber of athletes that played for NC when he was the offensive coordinator at USC.

    I am not an expert on football Xs and Os, but if the opinion of these two former U of H players is correct, than it appears to me that NC has to upgrade the quality of athletes he recruits. And if, or when these type of superior athletes take the football field is anyone's guess. Until then, I guess we may have to expect more of the same (disappointing losses). I'm not criticizing the players or coaches, but just looking at the situation from a realistic prospective.


  154. tommui:

    #139 Hon2255

    If you look at what Boolakanka had posted about the fact that the players are students first, perhaps you might have seen my remarks as agreeing with him and being a bit sarcastic as to others that don't seem to agree with that concept.


  155. SteveM:

    Is there an NCAA rule that the head coach must be on the sidelines during a game? Can another coach/person be designated to officially speak for the team to the refs?

    If so, the thought of Red Zone and ai-eee-soos that Chow should be up in the booth and Tomey (or some credible ex-head coach) on the sideline is interesting.

    Chow can see the entire field from the booth and call the plays. He is the offensive coordinator. But he is the head coach and makes the game decisions and relays them to the designee on the field. Technical glitches in communications?...well, that's why an ex-head coach helps.

    Remember, Mac seemed to have problems making decisions the field when he took over for JJ. Not unusual. If Chow wants to call the shots from the booth, let's allow him. BTW, any rule says the "game time team honcho" on the field has to be a paid employee of the UH?


  156. Shoko:

    Dave Reardon is supposedly appearing on Sports Animals. Let's see if he hints about a coaching change.


  157. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    SteveM,

    When Charlie Weiss broke his knees he ended up coaching from the box. He even did it for the Hawaii Bowl when ND was here.


  158. Shoko:

    That's because Weiss knew that there would be food in the booth.


  159. Independent Thinker:

    You would not understand what I am talking about because you have never been in a position to do what I do, but that is ok, JMIA Criminal. Suffice it to say that all successful litigators develop over time the ability to quickly and decisively identify winner cases and loser cases. This ability spills over into our ability to quickly and decisively identify strategic decisions that lead to failure and strategic decisions that lead to victory.

    I will not go into the details concerning how we decide winner and loser cases, or the thinking process behind that process, because it would be a waste of my time explaining that process to someone for whom that kind of information would be useless. That would be like explaining to a Walmart garden clerk the innner workings of a carburetor if I were a mechanic, or explaining the concept of res judicata to you if you were a mechanic. It would be a waste of both my time and your time.

    That being said, it is what it is, and I understand that what I have said above is especially hard to swallow for those who are big fans of chow. I am a big fan of UH, the institution, not the coach. Not that hard to understand. I like to see UH win. If a person is getting in the way of victory, in my opinion, then I will say so. You disagree with my position and the conclusions I have reached. That is ok.


  160. A-TEAM:

    Wife took our son (starting line up- from the main land) out to get something to eat after the game.
    MOM; Son you just lost a game and you seem up. Can you explain?
    Son; Mom, out there tonight,I gave it everything I had.I did my job. Its reading what people have to say about us and at school. We have feelings too. I grew up loving the Warriors, I will die as a Warriors.
    MOM: (with tears) You will son , you will.
    Warriors 4 Life.


  161. WWF:

    Is most of Norm's challenges because of the insufficient budget for his Assistant Coaching staff, allocated by Upper Campus when he was hired? Which then forced him into accepting too much responsibility as a HC, OC and QB coach? Or is it a desire of Coach Chow to continue developing Heisman candidate QB's and play calling for the Offense, while still being a Head Coach?


  162. NotNasti:

    A-Team: true story? You have a son on the team?


  163. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    IT, just becuase you believe that being a litigator gives you some magical insight to coaching and player evaluation doesn't necessarily make it so. If chow was a litigator then okay, i bow to your expertise. but he's not. look, your attempt to be condescending to me by going on about litigating and carburetors really is irrelevant, so i'm gonna actually just lay out why your comparison between chow and von appen doesn't make sense:

    where your argument really fails in your attempt to put chow's and von appen's records in a vacuum is that nobody really buys that chow's coaching process and the way he's developing the program is similar to von appen's, but you take that as a given (validity vs soundness, right? as a law school grad, you know this). but then again, it's not like you're in a position to really comment on both their processes from a position of authority because you don't know the difference between the two. that's why What's Up, me, and probably a whole bunch of other people aren't buying what your'e selling, and it has nothing to do with not being a litigator.

    so anyway, litigate away, friend. I'm sure you're good at what you do. more power to you, brother. and for the record, i'm not particularly invested with chow either way. i just can spot bad arguments when i see it.


  164. cocobean:

    Any updates on Graham and St. Juste?


  165. primo123:

    Chow dont need a OC, he needs a Head Coach, so he can go back up to the BOOTH.


  166. primo123:

    Von Appen actually had good recruits....he just didnt have an offensive to go with his defense.

    Just ask JJ what he did with Fred's players.


  167. A-TEAM:

    # 162,yes true, She called me at work to tell me.


  168. WarriorMojo:

    As between IT and Johnny, it's pretty obvious that Johnny would make the superior litigator, lol.

    The ability to think clearly and to explain concisely is fundamental. Johnny has it. IT not so much.

    Now excuse me as I go reassemble my rifle with my fellow Koreshans.


  169. WarriorMojo:

    A-Team, tell your son to hold his head up. All that can be asked of him is that he give 100% effort. That is the only thing he can control. If he did that, no shame at all.

    UH Warrior fan for LIFE!


  170. Manoa2:

    I think there are some coaches who can take over a struggling team, install a new offense and defense and start winning in year one, and challenge for the league championship the next year. Not every coach can do it, It happens a lot in college football. Chow is one of those that cannot do it. June Jones for one. Fresno State is a real good example of installing a spread offense which is far easier to teach than Chow's West Coast multiple pro style. They beat us soundly last year with a new coach and this year they beat Boise and are challenging for the MWC title. Urban Meyer has installed new systems at Ohio State, and Florida with great success from day one, Sumlin turned Texas A&M around with a spread system, San Diego State did it, and Bob Davie did it at New Mexico and beat us last year with hardly any talent. It happens every year at every level of college football-- some can and some cannot.


  171. Shoko:

    San Diego State is a WCO under new OC Bob Toledo. Previous OC, Andy Ludwig, nowt at Wisconsin was a pro-style, ironically.


  172. kifi:

    #141 - thanks IWWTHM. Understood.


  173. primo123:

    SO the test will be.........IF Chow can built a successful winning team by recruiting.


  174. Shoko:

    Interesting that Dave Reardon said that he would like Ikaika Woolsey to start this weekend and Chow give him the opportunity to ad lib on offense instead of anything in the playbook.


  175. Whats up:

    Independent Thinker thinks in his little (well documented on this blog) prejudice mind and a even smaller p___s that he knows Hawaii football. But we know the little Colt Brennan Jersey wearing prejudice pimple face brat doesn't even have his first pubic hair yet, is still being bottle fed and living with/off his parents dime, doesnu know jack about Hawaii Football.

    The people on here don't compare VonAppen to Chow (record or not because the teams that VonAppen coach sucked in all 3 phases of the game and Chow coached team are good on defense and special teams so far.

    Plus, I have been saying that Hawaii will go 0-5 with a chance to beat SJSU. But with Taylor Graham injured I don't think its possible to pull a win against SJSU. I also know that this is year 2 in a complete rebuilding of the offense. And 4 wins would a great 2013 season. And I said next season will be a bowl season because the new QB Taylor Graham and the offense will have 1 season under its belt. I also said that Taylor Graham is the starting QB but if he cannot go then start Woolsey.

    I'm not a Chow supporter, I'm a very long time Hawaii Football supporter. But I know to completely rebuild or revamp anything takes time and patience. You obviously don't know about this because if you did you would


  176. dannyp:

    171

    Yeah and Babers blew out SDSU and their WCO with FCS talent...


  177. primo123:

    Chow's not going for ad libbing.


  178. papajoe2:

    IT you say you don't blame the players but yet it was you who said that you will buy them dresses because they play like girls and even said that you will buy coach Naeole a dress.


  179. primo123:

    IF you listened to Chow, he's going to let Woolsey sit and learn for two years, then give him two years to play.

    That's his formula for QBs.


  180. Whats up:

    Support Hawaii Football and stop talking out of your okole IT.


  181. dannyp:

    175

    You don't rebuild with a junior QB.


  182. Independent Thinker:

    @168. Mojo. You remind me of the girl, who can be found at every local fight, who eggs on her boyfriend to fight the oddah guy, the "bad guy". Every local fight has one of these girls on the sideline. The big mouth girl who eggs on her moke boyfriend to fight.

    See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_NmuuD0-DA

    That is what happens when you try to bite off more than you can chew, my moke friend.


  183. jonj:

    I dont understand how people think Higgins looked so bad.

    Watch the game film. I did 3x now
    Higgins gets a botched snap and 53 was unblocked because the RB totally missed the block. he should have held the ball better but damn was he under pressure quick

    the next Higgins drives down and throws a TD but it gets called back for holding. Next play Klingklide drops a 10yd pass with some running room. Next play higgins scrambles throws to Kirkwood and he also drops the ball. Next play 4th&20 Higgins rolls right away from 53 and in 3 seconds 53 comes and hits him and he fumbles again. Keep in mind hes trying to find someone down the field for the 1st


  184. jonj:

    Also keep in mind Chow gives him ZERO practice reps and didnt even let him participate in the Scout bowl.


  185. NotNasti:

    I believe that Hawaii will struggle this year, but show improvement . . . and go to a bowl game next year. And with Tui in 2014 and Zwahlen in 2015, Hawaii will have mobile, athletic quarterbacks to complement an experience receiving corp (Kemp, Kirkwood, Barker, Pedroza) and dynamic running backs (St. Juste, Lakalaka, Wiley and Harris). I believe the future is bright. The present, however, has been a trying experience. Add an impatient fan base, you have all the ingredients for a frustrating season.


  186. primo123:

    181.

    At this point in time, you rebuild with the best you got. Graham is his best, for now. Not the most accurate passer, but getting better, tho slightly.


  187. jonj:

    Also notable Dick tomey the announcer also states that higgins is doing some very nice things out there


  188. primo123:

    183

    I agree, Higgins looked decent, altho you can tell, even on tv, there's not much zip on his ball.

    Schroder is #2, but he hangs on to the ball too long.

    Woolsey might be the future, but he and Higgins get no reps at all.


  189. Shoko:

    What's funny is that some folks were cheering for Higgin's to replace Schroeder last season when he ran for the only TD against Fresno State. That quickly changed when he went scoreless for two quarters against Air Force.


  190. Manoa2:

    I like HIggins and Woolsey. Too much gets made of the fact that Woolsey has the strongest arm on the team (he does- I have seen it at practice). HIggins is a gamer who sees the field and makes better decisions than either Woolsey or Graham. Chow does not throw long much. When passes are thrown long they are lofted not gunned on a rope-- Higgins can do this for any distance we would throw (any longer and it is too inaccurate and takes too much time). I think Woolsey is not as ready as Higgins is right now. Maybe next year Woolsey will improve his reading the field and challenge Higgins, but not this year.


  191. NotNasti:

    168. Shoko: Fans = Fickle


  192. NotNasti:

    189 Shoko: Fans = Fickle (sorry dyslexia I think)


  193. jonj:

    The worst part is Im not sure what the thought process is but the LT helped double team the DT and would just bump or didnt even touching 53 in the second half and passing him off to the RB to block. and 53 was known to be their best pass rusher


  194. primo123:

    whats the story on Stutzman? anyone wanna share why he's not playing or even make the travel squad?


  195. jonj:

    I also noticed that most of the WRs routes were 3-5yd hitches. which would be good once in awhile but when ur doing it most the time a defender is gonna start jumping them. which happened alot WRs had no room to run after catches


  196. jonj:

    stuzman = David Graves 2. Notice after OSU game Chow said where gonna give stutzman a good hard look during the bye and he'll help us. Samething he said about DG


  197. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    lol honestly, IT, I have my doubts that you've seen very many "local fights" or been in any. please stop faking the funk.


  198. NotNasti:

    JV vs. IT, now I would pay to see that!


  199. NotNasti:

    Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight!


  200. primo123:

    you run 5 yard hitches when your line can't block longer for 6 yard hitches.....

    nevada was suspect against the run......just hope ya'll know that and dont have any false hopes.

    against fresno things might be different.


  201. Shoko:

    192. I agree. I think sometimes when there is a QB controversy, it has more to do with the fan base then it does with the coaching staff. Or maybe it's more of a QB confusion than it is a controversy. Still like the debate when it arises though. Just adds to the entertainment value of the football season.

    Night, folks!


  202. Derek:

    Hawaii getting only 18 1/2 points. Something is wrong.


  203. primo123:

    202

    too much? too little?


  204. primo123:

    202

    going to be 21.5 by game time


  205. jonj:

    you can also run Slants, 3-5yd digs/outs. I like plays going across the middle becuz theyre so hard to cover especially in Man


  206. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  207. Shoko:

    If not mistaken, that 18.5 points is an offshore spread. Vegas lines didn't come out yet, and I think it might be because of the injury status of Graham not known.

    Okay, done.


  208. Shoko:

    207. Same thing with the Nevada - Air Force game since they probably want more info regarding the status of Fajardo since Polian only said that he's still day-to-day and might be a game day decision, again.


  209. Down with...:

    on a lighter note, UH should do this punt pass thing with Harding...maybe we can finally get some first downs...just kidding but not really...Go Bows!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/film-study-rare-look-legal-kick-pass-first-223417840--ncaaf.html


  210. cocobean:

    Manoa2.

    Bob Davie didn't exactly turn New Mexico around 4-9, 1-7 MWC. This year 1-2.

    As for the other coaches you mentioned, how long did they stay at the school they found their initial success at? We're in the same boat as the other MWC schools (except Boise), the USS Steppin' Stone. SDSU, SJSU and USU know first hand what I'm talking about.

    Chow is from here. All the years living on the mainland has not taken the local boy out of him. He understands the situation he's in and the growing frustation of the fan base. He's sloooowly working to improve things. It's too bad his improvements are coming in inches rather than in leaps and bounds.

    I do believe he will get the job done. And to repeat myself....he's the tortoise in the race with the hare.


  211. primo123:

    the HARE is the fan's expectations............


  212. primo123:

    207

    I see opening 17.5........up to 19.5 now..........wiseguys are wise for a reason.......


  213. Independent Thinker:

    JMIA Criminal. I get that you are part of the chorus. I have no problem with that. Your language skills, or lack thereof, as well as your skills at debate and rhetoric, or lack thereof, make that quite clear. It's all good. Some day, when you have enough courage and successes in your life, which in turn gives you more confidence in yourself, you will move away from the chorus and begin thinking for yourself. Till then, and in the meantime, I understand where you are coming from.

    All of us at one time rode a three-wheel bicycle with training wheels when it comes to debate. It's all good.


  214. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal:

    Independent Thinker: lol you are so pathetically bad at this, it's crazy. have fun with your billables.


  215. hightide:

    Bottom line University of Hawaii Football will close to 4 million this football season. The sad thing it has nothing to do with the kids, the offense or the defense or special teams.


  216. hightide:

    Bottom line University of Hawaii Football will close to 4 million this football season. The sad thing it has nothing to do with the kids, the offense or the defense or special teams.


  217. hightide:

    will lose close to 4 million


  218. cocobean:

    IT. Being a litigator you should know better than to call someone a "moke." I thought litigators make their living by being eloquent and by making lucid arguements.

    Please reread what you wrote. Eloquent? Lucid?


  219. Nainoa:

    Shame. Auwe. IT, not the way kanaka maoli should speak. Crusader and Howard Law School alums shouldnt represent themselves that way.


  220. (Jesse)James:

    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.....MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-)


  221. jeezy33:

    Raiders +16.5!!!!!


  222. UHfan808:

    15 ST

    Thank you for your response :)

    I'm sure they had a valid reason why they turned down the opportunity to play an extra game.

    As for the transparency issue, Pomai, perhaps if you called the athletic director's office to inquire (nicely of couse), you might help him realize why they should share their answer - their formula - so you know how to guesstimate for future situations?

    If they really were not being transparent, they wouldn't even have let anyone know about the opportunity, is what I'd think but idk.

    Just ask nicely and mebbe you'll get your answer. Maybe they didn't think anyone wants to know how they came to their decision, wdk.


  223. Former UH Athlete:

    Dang... Peyton Manning = awesome! Also ran a 4.8 at combine... pretty sure he can't break 5.1s at his advanced age.

    but he's awesome


  224. joto23:

    I love this blog. Hope springs eternal for UH fans.....reality, ahh, mabey not so much.

    Nevertheless, this is the greatest time of year for most people. College Football, Pro Football, The World Series, Wahine Volleyball and Soccer. Not only is there a plethora of sports, there's also the beginning of Fall, Pumpkin Patches, Oktoberfest (for th beer drinkers like me) Halloween, Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Bowl Games, Christmas, New Years, More Bowl Games, Playoffs, Super Bowl, Pro Bowl....

    It's a rebuilding year(s) for UH Football. Chow needs to let it ride a littile bit and have some fun. So should the fans, and, most importantly the players. Hey, I know its easier said than done. I have my favorites too (which are not doing very well as we speak 49, Steel). Nevertheless, hope springs eternal.


  225. oneseason:

    With 1 win and 12 losses against FBS teams, I would hope the AD and the coach are discussing expectations, required additional resources, progress goals and mutually agreeable options regarding the remainder of the season.


  226. Independent Thinker:

    Never said I was Howard law.


  227. Independent Thinker:

    Howard is a fine school.


  228. 3-Prong:

    224 joto: Dats Da Spirit! Go Bows! (...and Cowboys!!)


  229. G-money:

    How is IT even an attorney??? If only his clients knew of his antics on this blog..

    Integrity is doing what is right, even when no one is watching.

    IT, wake up! You're the ugliest person this blog has ever met and it doesn't even know what you look like!

    Me, I'm not an attorney, could care less about ever being one. I'm not trying to be a saint but at least I'm not acting a fool in a public forum where others probably cant figure out my real identity, then hide behind this so called escape called billables.. Making it known that you're an attorney (oooo I'm shivering). Thank god I have lawyers I trust and more importantly, like.

    You, (not) my friend, need to listen more than you speak, and learn some basic rules of conversation. Fiduciary, somehow I'm convinced you think this word is negotiable.

    Bumbye you learn. I'm just trying to help you. But I already know what you're thinking, so here's some advice: look before you jump, think before you speak, reflect before in infect, leave things better than you found it.

    Warrior fan for life! Loyal season ticket holder for 30 years!


  230. G-money:

    Hope the boys heal up quick!


  231. Warrior:

    Well said G


  232. G-money:

    You know dat Warrior!


  233. J.V. Sr.:

    Aloha to all of you.

    Please excuse me if I offend anyone with sharing my beliefs.

    In times of adversity we all some times need that helping hand, that shoulder to lean on, the love and support from people who mean the world to us, religious belief, family, friends, and fans. I am a witness to my faith in Christ the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. I turn to him always for strength, guidance, and the ability to help others in need. I believe I was born onto this earth for that purpose. I believe we all are here for the same reason. Our team needs our support more than ever. Encouraging negativity only adds more adversity and that's what our team doesn't need. Regardless of he outcome lets look at the positive and build from there.Many things in life don't always go in
    our favor and in order to succeed, we must learn how to rebound from failure. Everything has it's purpose, its reasons. Let's not have any regrets and enjoy the presence of oJr football team. It's better to have one than none at all. Go Rainbow Warriors! Win or Lose we still behind you all the way til the very end.


  234. J.V. Sr.:

    I seriously need a new phone, haha! The buttons are so small, my fingers cover half the board. LOL.


  235. Higginsiscrap:

    Seriously he's crap


  236. cocobean:

    #325. Justin Vele's father reads this blog. I suspect Jeremy's father reads this blog also.


  237. cocobean:

    Sorry meant #235.


  238. nanakuli:

    I wonder what ST thinks about his blog right now?


  239. NotNasti:

    238. If ST were dead, he'd be rolling over in his grave (knock on wood).


  240. Capitolist/WassupDoc:

    On Thursday, September 26, at 2 pm, the Board of Regents' Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics will meet at the Stan Sheriff Center in the `Ewa Hospitality Room. To see the entire Committee's agenda, go to http://www.hawaii.edu/offices/bor - click on the agenda in the Next Meetings box at the upper right side of the main page.

    Item #1: REPORT ON ESTABLISHMENT OF BENCHMARKS AND STANDARDS OF SUCCESS FOR INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS DEPARTMENTS.

    The final agenda item: DISCUSSION OF FACILITIES.

    If you have positions on any - or all - of the six agenda items, be sure to show up to share your thoughts.


  241. Moocher:

    why do we care about the won loss record from chow. when JJ was piling on the wins-hey, still we didnt sell-out the stadium? i'm talking 45,000 per game avg. during the season.

    if the JJ is the top and chow is the bottom, not gonna take ben jay and apple to long to see that D1 football in hawaii has one foot out the door.

    ben jay cleared the books, cleared the debt, and i think its safe to assume a new debt is being created. eh gang, fight all you want about chow and quarterbacks and wins and losses....just be sure to do it at the stadium.
    :)


  242. slenzi:

    I love PolyMom because she said: "Before the haters come to the thread and my husband tells me no posting ... I think we need to call a Kahuna. We need prayer, emotional healing and fans who send positive healing and support. Go Warriors!"


  243. Slugger:

    Good morning, gang!

    GO BOWS!

    GO WAHINE!


  244. Independent Thinker:

    I was a lawyer and my wife left me and my son hates me.


  245. PolyMom:

    Does anyone have the number for Bobby Curran call in show on ESPN.