Back to the ...

October 7th, 2013
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It dawned on me that I'm a 53-year-old grandfather who has no idea what's a drawing board.

Is that paper on an easel? Or the easel? Is it the white board? Or the sketchbook? (While we're at it, I have no idea what a "pipsqueak" is, although I was called that many times in my life. But I digress.)

Anyway, the Rainbow Warriors are back to the proverbial drawing board today. The offense and defense will alternate lifting sessions and meetings.

The planned scout bowl was canceled because of injuries.

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I'm not sure where UH is in its grand construction plans, but it would be functional if such plans included a new weight room. There's a reason the offense and defense alternate using the weight room. It's not large enough for the entire football team.

117 Responses to “Back to the ...”

  1. kapakahi:

    Ichi!


  2. kapakahi:

    Peanutwhybaddahunjelly,

    I'll definitely take the biscuit.....for my breakfast.....with the peanut badda n jelly.


  3. kapakahi:

    Pretty certain that my suggestions followed your exercise guidelines......all with current available resources.


  4. RedZone:

    Agree. A lot of schools have been upgrading their facilities.


  5. Stephen Tsai:

    Kapakahi:
    Yep. Your suggestions and opinions are always welcomed and appreciated.


  6. RedZone:

    Navy has 3 weight rooms so I can see UH building and keeping the old one.

    http://www.navysports.com/ot/strength-facilities.html


  7. STOP PINCHING THE DEs:

    too hard to contain the perimeter w this 3 man front while playing man on the outside.


  8. haka:

    Hey, didn't all the preseason prognosticators have us 0-5 at this point? No shocking news, but we just have not proved them wrong. We all hoped it would be different. The fact that we have had moments of success has inflated our expectations a bit. There are still a lot of positives each week. The Warriors just need to be more consistent in each phase of the game.

    Keep working hard Warriors!

    Keep your heads up and your eyes focused on the task at hand!

    Learn from the past, embrace today and shape tomorrow!

    Go Warriors!


  9. Moocher:

    thats not a problem.........if the whole team CAN fit in the weight room at the same time...then yeah, that's a problem for shooor.

    morning all,

    smile :)
    close your eyes and smile )


  10. kifi:

    That's funny Moocher.


  11. Former UH Athlete:

    ST,

    WIth first hand experience, UH"s athletic weight room is tiny. It's claustrophobic. It's more suited to house basketball roster. It's completely full when the volleyball team works out. BTW, I briefly saw Kim Willoughby in the squat rack, and didn't see how much weight she was lifting, but I could easily see it was more plates than I could do.

    Also, is there any word or momentum Klum Gym can be renovated into a large training room and weight facility worthy of a D1 program?

    It's a pipe dream, but since the locker room finally got renovated, so there could be a chance... There are many high schools with bigger and better weight rooms than UH.


  12. Inyoface:

    I noticed that Hawaii doesn't do much sweep running plays, I think it would be effective than up the middle especially with St. Juste being a smaller quick back.


  13. Ipu Man:

    I have no problems with UH football, they are still playing exciting and with gustoh.


  14. kapakahi:

    ST,

    U might want to call Bobby's show right now to query Ben Jay with your question about design plans for weight room improvement/expansion.


  15. Fan:

    By necessity the "drawing board" needs to include a sense of hope and pride. Hold your heads high Rainbow Warriors and keep believing that your hard work will come to fruition. Don't fall prey to losing hope and belief in yourselves. The pundits were right and we are 0-5. The new season starts this week.


  16. Tanman:

    Tsai-Ko, the locker room was a great start, it looks so much nicer than the old tin can storage lockers... Yes, I hope they can create another weight room. But the state of Hawaii has a history of building without long range plan of how to finance the operation and maintenance of these buildings or infrastructure. UH should look into building the weight room and be able to pay for its operations and maintenance. May be allow regular students to use it during unused hours since students must pay for athletic fees. May be the gym can provide weight management training programs, provide fitness training programs, etc. to faculty/staff/students at costs lower than outside gyms such as 24 hours fitness, YMCA, etc. BTW, I thought UH has better strength and conditioning this year than any previous years. Why are we still having so much critical injuries? Also, it looks like other teams have deep roster than us.


  17. Tanman:

    Do the current UH Rainbow Warriors work as hard as the former Warriors such as Bess, who practice receiving early in the morning by himself. Rolo and Lelie used to play catch outside of practice time to get their timing down. I am sure Salas, C. Owens, Pilares etc. did not play as good as they had if they did not put in extra time to practice... I think our current QBs and WRs should have some volunteer practice outside of regular practice sessions. There were times when QBs could not find open WRs or missed them even when they were opened. There were times when WRs dropped the ball or could not get open... These inconsistent plays have cost us points - either stalled the progress of the drive or caused a turnover. I understand that fumble is bad but could Chow go easier on the players in certain occasions? It seemed like if a player fumbled, he's not in the game anymore - for example, Lakalaka fumbled in the San Jose State game and he was gone. I think player should at least get one "second chance" opportunity to redeem himself and they generally played harder if they do get a second chance! Our kickoff returns are not smart as well, many times, they've ran out of the end zone when they caught the ball 4 or 5 yards deep... there were many times when UH got bad field positions to start a drive! The play callings were also predictable so far - many runs on first down, which caused the offense to face many yards to go on third downs. Which may caused the offense to go three-and-out. This leads to a tired defense and ended up giving up big plays on many third downs...


  18. Buffoman:

    #8, #13 I agree.

    We would have loved to have been able to be 3-2, 2-3, 4-1, but that did not happen. Knowing that it was a tough schedule all the way around and seeing that we could have had chances to to turn predicted losses to wins, against teams we were supposed to not do well against tells me that we're headed in the right direction.

    Don't get me wrong, still disappointed, still a lot of work to be done, but I like what we have done thus far in year two. Could it have been better? Sure, a better execution here, a pass not overthrown/dropped there, a favorable call when it counted and yes, it could have been better.

    Some will say, well this team was not as good as predicted, but neither were we. Maybe those that were supposed to be better and are also struggling have had a head start on addressing their issues that still plague us.

    I do not see quit in the team (although I did think there was too much pre-mature swagger in the last game having come off a very good second half showing against a ranked opponent). More hunger and consistency before the swagger and maybe the tide could change even further.

    The team has a lot of young men both physically and emotionally. Maybe more simplification, more basics could give them a greater chance to succeed, have fun and then beg for more complexity.


  19. (Jesse)James:

    Good Morning Tsaikos....

    Hope all is well.

    Tough season so far but we need to hang in there.

    Still need lots of adjustments and the TEAM needs to be more consistent.

    We show flashes of what could be and move the ball for a couple of series. Then, we go three and out for a number of series and don't move the ball.

    The running plays had more potential on Saturday with the type of D that SJSU was playing which may have opened up more of the passing game. Not sure if it was the guys up front not being able to block effectively or not since I wasn't watching the line guys with intensity.

    Besides, that's something I'd have to ask guys like Gramps and Kifi about since they're the knowledgeable ones on that subject.

    Anywho, I still support the Warriors just like SEC, PAC 12, BIG 10, etc. fans support their teams, win or LOSE.... :-)

    One Team. One Game. One Goal.


  20. (Jesse)James:

    I actually think that I'm more frustrated than angry. Seeing the flashes of what could be and then seeing the team's inconsistency is frustrating.


  21. UHfan808:

    Good morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! :D

    That's the dark green chalk board with white chalk letters for Xs and Os and arrows drawn ...here there and everywhere!

    hehe

    Be good everyone and have a great Monday!


  22. 3-Prong:

    8 haka: Good perspective. Stay the course. Let the coaches coach.

    Let's Go Bows!


  23. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Keep fighting, Warriors!

    When they play a complete game, executing all parts properly, that win will come. They are a better team than their record, and they are close to having a breakthrough.

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  24. kifi:

    How do you measure the success of a football program? Do we measure it by simply examining their won/loss record? Do we measure it by how many players graduate within five years? Do we measure success by counting how many athletes improve physically from the start of their careers, until the end four or five years later? Maybe we measure success by where we rate nationally and conefrence-wise in recruiting? Or do we measure it by how the athletes function as citizens in the community among their peers? Do they make a positive impact in the community by their humility, integrity, kindness, and service to others? Is it measured by how many fans are in attendance at the stadium? Or how many tune in to the live telecast?

    Please help me, because I don't know. Maybe all of the above?


  25. 3-Prong:

    .....and the Team is not quitting, can you "Fans" out there say the same thing?


  26. boolakanaka:

    ST--pipsqueak is meant to identify someone as non-consequential. Which is the direct opposite of you--thus it does not apply in anyway to the one we know as the great ST.

    With that said, Pip, Squeak and Wilfred was a long-running British newspaper strip cartoon published in the Daily Mirror from 1919 to 1956, as well as the Sunday Pictorial in the early years. It was conceived by Bertram Lamb.


  27. jeezy33:

    20. It's a poorly coached team, period. Last year, the talent disparity was noticeable. This year, I feel like the playing field is pretty even talent wise and were just getting out coached, No consistency and same type off errors dating back to last season.

    1 issue I have is the QB is your most important player on the field. We technically haven't signed one in NC 1st 2 seasons in our recruiting classes. We put all our eggs in 1 basket with a transfer who has a history of being injury prone dating back to high school. He gets hurt and we are crippled. We signed Zwahlen knowing he is going on his mission. We wouldn't see him until Norms 4th season at the earliest and 4 season are never a guarantee in football now days...

    Hawaii is dead last in the conference in rushing and part of NC philosophy bringing in his pro style offense was to establish balance. Seems like we had more success running the ball in our passing offense under Rolo.


  28. jeezy33:

    24. Simple answer. Do you remember 2007 football season or our graduation rate in 2012? Pretty sure there is only 1 thing that fans care about. College football is a business and you measure it by money generated by fans. Wins translate to good business.


  29. Capitolist/WassupDoc:

    As someone who closely follows the connections between the Board of Regents/UH Administration System and the Hawai`i State Legislature for annual funding, I am very concerned that so far NO major CIP requests for the UH-Manoa Department of Athletics have been announced

    Yes, there is significant support for deferred maintenance and upgrades across the entire System totaling nearly half a BILLION $$$$ although no specific details have yet been released. However, according to a number of people who are involved in these discussions, very little taxpayers' money will be assigned to the Department of Athletics until sometime in the dim & distant future.

    That is why Ben Jay and current financial supporters are looking for ways to raise the necessary funding from the private sector by working on the commercial naming rights matters.

    If you are interested in making sure that both private sector and public financial support for capital improvements happen, then join one of the booster clubs for your favorite sport(s). Also, contact either Ben or Carl Clapp to help raise the money.

    Finally, if you are interested in speaking directly with policymakers at the State Capitol, then contact the Higher Education Chairs and the Ways & Means/Finance Chairs.


  30. RainbowCliff:

    Good Morning Tsaiko nation, what UH needs to do is start recruiting high school talent here in Los Angeles, this I feel has been a MAJOR problem over the years as many GREAT rainbows from the past came from LA starting off with Gary Allen Baldwin Park, Dana McClemore, Venice H.S., Carl Kennebrew, Compton, HS, Mike Stennis Pacific Palisades, Dewayne Jett San Fernando H.S, Verlon Redd Crenshaw HS, George Bell, Pasadena H.S just to name a few. The talent level here is large enough for UH to scout many diamond in the ruff players especially at these charter schools that are all over Inglewood, South Central and South Bay area high schools.

    Not taking anything away from the local talent but SKILL athletic players with speed, jumping ability and a fierce mental toughness are here as many of them end up at pac 12 schools, MWC or Southern California Junior Colleges as former coach George Lumpkin was so instrumental cleaning up LA high school talent which showed outstanding results of wins vs losses and most memorable plays that the above name players left with many long time UH fans on this blog can share my sentiments and memories. Also, the competition here is FIERCE with so many high schools fielding a varsity team not to mention JV, sophomore and freshmen teams that play a full schedule. Adaptation to Hawaii is always a situation down here but you have alumni such as myself, Gary Allen, Keith Hill, Ricki Bass, Nicky Clark and a more then capable Poly Mom ready and able to share fond memories and experiences of Hawaii and the advantage of getting a solid education from it's University.

    Academically, they can enroll in my FREE Saturday SAT prep program in which I have TRAINED counselors preparing them for the SAT in all areas from English, Reading, Math as it is LEGAL under all guidelines of the LAUSD as we are an extension to their academic assessment curriculum, ALL LEGIT !

    I have harped on this for years now and I do feel at this time it is DESPERATELY needed as Coaches don't even have to fly out here when you have former players willing and ready to help you out as you can't tell me myself, Gary Allen, Keith Hill and Ricki Bass cannot make a difference as we are getting older but still today all have ties to some part of UH !

    This coming the 15th I will be recruiting students from Santa Monica Junior College for upper campus to attend UH as I have done this over the past years VOLUNTEERING with other LA Hawaii alumni to get these angelino students coming as we go to work exciting these young lives to study, develop culture skills and live in HAWAII !

    In closing I am ALWAYS proud to represent the 808 and feel with all my HEART that Hawaii is the best and deserves the best at all times. I wake up EVERYDAY with the aloha spirit as it is on my car driving and what I choose to wear as my attire. The University gave me a GREAT education and playing for the Rainbow Warriors fond memories representing the aloha state at a Division I level in front of adoring and dedicated fans. Too GIVE BACK as that is what I am compelled to do and I do it with pride, dignity and the utmost respect to the OHANA!

    Simply The Best, Better Then All The Rest !

    Go Rainbows, Go Warriors, Go Hawaii !

    In Los Angeles we are RAINBOW WARRIORS!


  31. 808bowler:

    watched the game again. I do like lakalaka running the ball.

    Think Hawaii should switch to a run n shoot offense tho. with young tall receivers and chow ability to recruit could be a beast o n offense. imho

    ill be there in Vegas this Saturday!!!!!!! go warriors!!!!!


  32. NorthShoreFan:

    #24 Kifi, excellent question.

    IMHO, the athletes are called STUDENT ATHLETES and I wish the fans understand this.
    My hope is to have a high graduation rate and competitive teams. Notice I said competitive.
    The wins and losses should not be a measure of the quality of the programs.
    Na Wahine Softball comes to mind when you talk of a quality program. Good graduation rate, competitive teams year in year out. I don't remember any of the kids getting into the headlines of the local newspaper for misdeeds and if get to talk with these athletes, they are very humble. Coach Cool has built a quality program on a shoe string budget.

    Coach Chow and his staff is busting their butts to get the desired results and I give them a lot of credit. I get frustrated too like everyone else but I also see the great effort put out by these students. To be able to meet disappointment with a greater effort the following week is something the coaches seem to be doing. I do see improvement but right now the parts have not been able to come together in the same game but this week........WARRIORS KICK BUTT!!!!


  33. boolakanaka:

    28--Sorry being a former player....at the end of the day, you are there to graduate, and develop the skill set and formation of knowledge that will allow you not just intellectual curiosity, but the ability to provide for yourself and your family.

    While football is important, and especially in a state like Hawai'i, it is not the primary focus, and if the very worst of scenarios ever became reality, the University could go on without football, however the opposite is not true. I say this, as someone who has assisted several ex-teammates with free legal work, visited them in prison, payed their kids tuition, or even a home mortgage, for someone who could not hold a job. Don't get me wrong, I love the program, but its an educational entity, not the minor leagues for the NFL.


  34. Slugger:

    Good morning, gang!

    Tanman,

    Since I didn't have time this year to walk to campus & watch practices (unsupervised & supervised), I asked Coach Chow at a Na Koa luncheon if the QBs & WRs are working (on their routes & timing) outside of mandated practices? He didn't answer directly; NCAA has restrictions, etc.... But in the years past, the QBs & WRs were working together outside of normal hours. Inoke, Moniz, after Colt. I sure hope Taylor, Schroeder, Woolsey, et al. spend some time on their own. [Although, I think graduating is the most important goal for all of 'em.]

    I miss Mouse Davis!

    They are getting better. Keep it up, guys!

    GO WARRIORS!!!

    Kekoa, could you have BG call me please. Mahaloz!


  35. Dan-O:

    #27.....disagree with a few comments. Basically, we have the same players from last year, give or take a few. We lost 9 starters from last year, and have replaced them mainly with players from the previous year. The main players on offense were here last year (Stutz, Schroeder, Gant, o-line), and defense (Yap, Daley, Laurel, Phillips, Jackson, etc.). We've added some good freshmen wideouts, but lost a good LB in Gener, and our starting RB (Iosefa).

    Yet, compared to the first four games from last year (not counting the Lamar game), we were outscored 217-48 (average margain of defeat was 47.75 points). This year, thru five games (against 3 ranked opponents), we have been outscored 173-100 (average margain of defeat is 14.6 points).

    The team may not be winning games, or where we want, or think they should be....but they are making improvements. Is it coaching? Better players? Weaker opponents? That's all debatable.

    All I know is that this year, the games are competitive, and not over by the middle of the second quarter, like last year.

    But I do agree that we need a quarterback and fast.....

    And oh yeah.....I miss Colt.


  36. RainbowCliff:

    #33boolakanka: Kind sir, you are so correct on all points!

    The education, graduate with a DEGREE!

    I would not have the successes that I have today with out that Hawaii degree from a GREAT University!

    I applaud you for "telling it like it is"!

    An educational entity!


  37. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Be angy, Be pissed, be frustrated, be whatever you want to be--just don't give up on the program.

    butts in seats. lets pack the homecoming game against CSU.

    Chow says the problems are fixable, so just go out and fix them. I suspect the injuries will set us back further but the next group of players need to just play up.

    and go more 4-wide please.


  38. boolakanaka:

    36...Kudos Bruddha Rainbow Cliff, if not, we would all still be at Red Lions trying to get free drinks, and getting turned down by the shortys.


  39. RainbowCliff:

    Have a good afternoon folks. Got to get ready for work. Keep the faith and Mahalo to all of you supporting our young men. We must not make them feel we have given up on them as they are trying everyday to win not only for Hawaii but for themselves, family, supporters and friends.

    Remember EDDIE!


  40. Smyczynski:

    It looks like the keyboard commandos were on the warpath this weekend.Someone put a fire Norm Chow page on facebook.


  41. RainbowCliff:

    boolankanaka, Man the Red Lions you really take me back as free drinks was something else and the shortys did not play!

    Mahalo for the memory and ALWAYS a pleasure to read your posts!

    Aloha!


  42. boolakanaka:

    41--Lol...RC--As they say back in your hood.."playas play"


  43. kifi:

    jeezy33:
    October 7th, 2013 at 9:02 am
    24. Simple answer. Do you remember 2007 football season or our graduation rate in 2012? Pretty sure there is only 1 thing that fans care about. College football is a business and you measure it by money generated by fans. Wins translate to good business.

    Your opinion is duly noted.


  44. Jeezy33:

    35. We got destroyed by a Nevada team that started a freshman Qb and has one of the worst defenses in the conference ... We lost pretty bad to San Jose st who is missing 2 top wrs, 2 rbs, and few guys on the secondary. San Jose has one of the worst run defenses in the country and Hawaii couldn't establish it against them. Il agree that we weren't supposed to beat USC, Oregon st, or Fresno st.. 80% of this blog predicted Hawaii wins against Nevada and San Jose so we can't act like we weren't supposed to win after the matter.

    This team has no identity. In the past, Hawaii was nationally known as a team that aired it out and attracted people who wanted to play in the run and shoot..


  45. kifi:

    #44 - Are we getting better? Did we improve from last year?


  46. Jeezy33:

    I have and will continue to support Hawaii sports through the good and the bad... But I will not be naive and pretend like Hawaii is improving or living up to their current potential.


  47. gobows:

    i thought red lions had closed


  48. OC Warrior:

    I think the biggest miscalculation that Coach Chow made was the importance of quality assistant coaches. He did a good job on the defensive side of the ball by hiring Coach K but I think he vastly underhired on the offensive side and probably thought he could handle it and make up for any lack of experience in the other offensive coaches. I think the key previous assistant that he should have retained might have been Gordy Shaw, he was used to coaching linemen in the Big 10 and would have probably fit with Coach Chow's offensive philosophy. I am not trying to disparage Coach Naole and he could turn out to be a great offensive line coach but he is in his first year of D1 coaching. Worse, last year he had Coach Weisehan coaching the O line, I am not sure that was the right person for that job. That and not having a another seasoned guy working with him on the offense is starting to take it's toll because there is definitey something missing in the offensive preparation for each game. I am still supporting our team and always will but this last one was tough.


  49. kifi:

    Jeezy, we are all frustrated. However, we need to remember that the players are playing their hearts out. These players are every bit as enthisiastic, commited, and hard working as any team in Hawaii's history. If we are frustrated with the program and the coaches, let's not forget that the players are giving 100% every day on the field, in the film room, and in the classroom. If we don't want to suppport the leadership that's fine, but we should still support the players.


  50. Jeezy33:

    45. We improved from a talent perspective... Guys getting older, stronger, faster with beemers strength program. Defensively, we have improved ... We took a step back against San Jose I will admit.. Didn't make good 2nd half adjustments.

    On the offensive side, I think we upgraded weapons... But we have not grown with the most important position on the field ... Qb .. Good qbs can hide weaknesses...we just don't have a good qb .. Our offense hasn't improved from the end of last year.. We still lead league in sacks allowed and turn over margin. Our offense is still very vanilla... San Jose St has a very easy time adjusting to out offense.. The only play that was gonna beat them was a deep fade route that were 50 50 at best and in football, u will take those odds. Our qbs need to complete over 60% and it's not happening ..

    So we have improved in some areas... Not enough to compete and win games though... Unless we schedule FCS opponents...


  51. UH_Fan_In_SD:

    Thinking back on yesterdays blog post - here are my very biased (maybe not logical) wish list for UH

    1. Build an on campus stadium (move the tennis courts and softball stadium to the where ching field is and put a new track complex on top of a parking structure -SDSU does this).. Max Capacity 35k

    2. Keep Chow around and hope Jordan Wynn becomes and offensive savant (or maybe try bringing some other young talent to learn under Chow and one day run the program..Boise State was built on continuity-Kotter, Hawkins, Peterson all came from the same staff not to mention Harsin and Pease.. speaking of Brian Harsin he would be a great HC if Chow retires..

    3. Schedule one "payday" game a year and fill out the rest of the schedule with weaker teams (for now).. The mountain west is getting better and we will play enough competitive teams in league play... lets book Idaho, NMSU and get bowl eligible ASAP

    4. Recruit local talent and mainland JC's.. we do a good job here.. we need the infusion of talent JCs can offer.

    5. Pass a student fee and make the first 5,000 tickets free for students. Again a lot of schools do this. Have the fee cover the arts as well or maybe some concerts so that non-sports fans receive some value.


  52. Jeezy33:

    49. I'm not criticizing the players... I have issues with in game adjustments that the coaches fail to make when others teams continue to succeed at against us.


  53. markazulu:

    I will support UH through the ups and downs and while the record doesnt show it I'm actually glad we have played more competitive than last year upset that we had our chances against USC, Fresno, San Jose, and id even say Oregon State. We have shown flashes of brilliance on offense (St Juste against Nevada, Our offense in the 2nd half against Fresno, That drive against Oregon State where we went 80 yards, we had a few drives on Nevada just didnt put it in the end zone, San Jose we had 300+ passing yards, Lakalaka has played well, our wrs though have dropped a few critical balls has been playing a bit better lately especially Gant and Haynes in my opinion) Our defense has played pretty well except for giving up the big plays on 3rd down and has stuffed the run pretty well except against San Jose State which surprised a lot of us. I'd say we improved over last years team by quite a bit just need to put a FULL game in not a quarter or a half of great football.


  54. markazulu:

    I think Chow has done a phenomenal job with everything EXCEPT the product he has put on the field and that is what is so upsetting. I hope we make adjustments and i personally feel chow needs help he needs assistant coach to help him out with his duties and i think he needs someone on the offensive side of the ball.


  55. Dan-O:

    #44....agreed, we have no identity. I think the team is struggling to find one. But I disagree with the statement that when we aired it out, we were attracting people to come here and play. JJ thought that was gonna happen, but even he admitted that it wasnt happening.

    Some of JJ's best recruits were "second chance" guys (Pisa, Colt, Davone), and JJ had a difficult time keeping the top 10 local kids to stay home. Chow and his staff have made vast improvements in local recruiting, and adding some quality (well, we hope they are) transfers.

    Maybe I have a higher "tolerance" of losing.....but compared to last year's first four games (all losses, except Lamar)

    49-10
    69-24
    47-0
    52-14

    I'll take this year....cause there is improvement. Check the stats...but then again compared to last year, if it was worse....well.

    I'm not on the Chow bandwagon, but its only the mid-point of year two. After this year, we can't be satisfied with improvement, its gonna have to show up in some wins.


  56. gobows:

    rainbow cliff and boolakanaka i think you guys would be successful even without your college education.

    i've come across quite a few college graduates that routinely make bone headed decisions that cost the government money. and im not referring to politicians, although they fit the bill.

    how is the University of Hawaii football program perceived across the country?

    well when jj was here, michigan wanted nothing to do with the UH. now they agree to a home and home. and michigan couldnt care less about recruiting the islands.

    the perception is that the UH has turned into a cupcake. a bottom feeder. irrelevant.

    it would behoove ben jay to go after the body bag games now. chase the money.

    so to answer kifi's question of measuring success: money is what makes a program successful.

    goes back to the haves and have nots.

    look at oklahoma state before and after their money boone.


  57. Dan-O:

    #56....true dat! And right now, we with the "have nots". Doesnt take a genius to figure out that the top ranked programs have choke money.

    The ONLY way the athletic department gonna see any major campus/department improvements is for one, or hundred, or even a thousand private donors to step up and give us money.

    No way the state gonna step up, cause no more money, and would take too damn long for them to figure out what to do anyway.


  58. gobows:

    #51

    Hawaii only gets 1 year out of most jc players, even if they redshirt. it takes that long for them to figure out how to play, or be good enough to earn pt. even ryan mouton and david veikune only started 1 yr.


  59. jeezy33:

    55. Hard to tell about guys wanting to come here.. At the end of the day, we had guys getting drafted every year under JJ so he was doing something right as far as evaluating guys he wanted for offense. He wasn't a go getter type recruiter but he always seemed to land guys who just made his system work...

    I'm guilty of getting spoiled through the JJ era. He was such a good teacher as far as the offense went. You could see the chemistry with the QBs and WRs.


  60. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Hawaii football is percieved across the nation probably the same way Hawaii percieves Akron or So. Miss.

    Even amongst the BCS there are schools that people could care less about outside of a particular region/conference.

    Now how coaches/football "insiders" percieve Hawaii may be a little different. For the long term, I hope the PAC12 leaders think of Hawaii as a program with potential to grow and get to that next level. It may not look like we have a chance in hell to get there atm, but hopeully those leaders can see past the immediate mess we are in.


  61. joeschmo:

    Stephen-
    The reason the offense and defense lifting at separate times has nothing to do with the size of the weight room. In order to safely coach the players, the strength staff divides the team into smaller groups, i.e. offense & defense, and probably a 3rd group of red-shirts/non-travel players. The current weight room at UH is very functional for all-sports. The need for a football only weight room is a fantastic idea, but i would guess that 1-2 MWC schools have this luxury. UH needs to turn the current student-weight room into a facility for bball & vball only, and upgrade the current student-athlete facility for football.


  62. boolakanaka:

    56--I appreciate your comments, but there is no way I would have become the person I am, or achieved whatever successes I might have, without college. Now, I am involved in higher education, and so I am biased with my opinions to the value of a college degree. But, conservatively speaking, a degree, over a course of lifetime, can be monetized to be over a million more dollars, than not having a degree. Add an advanced degree, and you are looking, on average, with a another half-million dollars.

    I grew up in Halawa and the leeward side, and went to public school from K-12, and a family with no college graduates--none. My options were severely limited, especially in an environment, where who your family might be or what connections you might have, count for a whole lot. Frankly, and I say this without a hint of humor or self-deprecation, I think, prison would not have been out of the equation. I grew up rough, and well, cutting corners became something I became accustomed to in life.

    Education became the equalizer in my life. It allowed me to reinvent myself, and proved a vehicle to not only constantly challenging myself, but always rewarding me in the process. Maybe my road is not for everyone, but I have been places I never thought possible selling football programs at Halawa stadium as a kid, and now I'm at boola-boola U, so I have to say I have been incredibly fortunate, and its because of education.


  63. gobows:

    All my siblings are convicted felons. My younger sister was featured in hawaii's most wanted. We laugh about that now.

    For the record, ive never been arrested...


  64. NotNasti:

    About the weight room. The Campus Center renovation, which should be completed shortly, includes a brand new student fitness center. I believe that once the new fitness center is open, the athletic department will take over the entire fitness center under the Stan Sheriff Center, which should give them more room. Ben Jay has talked about turning Klum Gym in to a weight room . . . but like anything else, its only money.


  65. NotNasti:

    Speaking of Boola Boola U. Just reported in the Star Advertiser today . . . some nutcake has been putting human feces (presumably his own) in the clothes dryers of students at Yale U.


  66. haka:

    ThatIsNasti


  67. gobows:

    #66

    Kinda wonder how they know its human. Did someone actually do a dna test or did they do it the old fashioned way by taste, touch, smell?


  68. Boolakanka:

    I know, one lolo, kaka bandit...you gotta laugh. GoBows, half my ohana is HPD, the other half OCCC. True story, my cousin was a federal marshal, you know taking folks to federal court, well bruddha meet a lovely prisoner, while he was on the job. Guess who has a wife who has two felony strikes against her, and had to leave his federal marshal job??! Only in my ohana....


  69. NotNasti:

    #17. Tanman:
    Lakalaka was taken out of the game after his fumble because he was injured on that play. I sit behind the bench and the trainers seemed to be working on his shoulder. They were working on him for a long time. I was actually surprised to see him back in the game.


  70. NotNasti:

    GoBows, the culprit has come out of the (water) closet, and sent emails to the Dailey News.


  71. NotNasti:

    Sorry, Daily News.


  72. jeezy33:

    70. which coaches were arguing at the game? I sit opposite side on visitor side so I didn't see it.


  73. Dan-O:

    #59....we were ALL spoiled during the JJ/Colt years. I'm just glad that my sons and I can say that we saw arguably the greatest UH quarterback, and only undefeated team in UH football history play live, in person.


  74. innocent observer:

    believe the defense is struggling because the players and coaches cannot figure out defensive play to counter the offensive play in a high tempo offense (no huddle). either the players are not smart enough to identify an offensive formation and then drop into a defensive formation to counter the offensive formation, or they were not coached properly. there needs to be a leader on the field that can recognize such things and call the proper defensive plays. meanwhile the passing offense seems to be getting better but the defense is not doing their job.


  75. kev-1:

    What I don't get is why after the second half of the Fresno game, it was said that UH finally figured out their o-line. Then they start the San Jose game with a different o-line.

    Jeezy is right about the coaching. It shouldn't take that long to make adjustments in game. That is the part that worries me. If you see that the opponent is shredding you with the run against the 3-3-5, then you need to make adjustments. That didn't happen.


  76. Derek:

    Except for the Lamar game last year, the schedules for 2012 and 2013 are similar. Maybe the other difference is that South Alabama was in their first year in FBS classification and this year we have Army. Oregon St. replaced BYU. Instead of Boise St. and New Mexico we get Colorado State and Wyoming this year. We go to UNLV where we haven't played well since Colt Brennan was playing. So it doesn't look too promising. We will probably be lucky to win one game and that only win might be in the very last game of the season against Army. Even Chuckie Keeton is out for the season we will not be Utah State in Logan. We have QB issues the most. Let's just say we had Marcus Mariota playing QB for us. I think we would have won at least 4 games with him so far. Let's just say we had Vernon Adams from Eastern Washington. I am confident saying that we probably win 3 of those 5 games, at least 2 for sure.

    I agree we don't have an identity. We are not known as a running or passing team. We are not known as a spread read option team. We are not known as a rockin sock em defense that causes a lot of blitzes and sacks. We are not known as a great special teams teams, a great kickoff team, or a great punt return team. The best thing we are close too is the Bad News Bears. And definitely we are not a turnover plus team. Yet, I see some talent out there, more than the last couple of years. Our offensive line is still weak. We last offensive imagination. I don't see a lot of short yardage passing on 1st downs, picking up 4 to 5 yards. The running plays are devoid of any deception or expert ball handing by the QB. I don't see a lot of play action passes to hold the LBs. There should always be a safety value on blitzes coming in to dump it off quick. We scored a TD on the first reverse by Gant. I didn't see another reverse the rest of the game. Yeah, it's maybe the coaching.

    I really think Chow should get the offensive coordinator. But more than that, we need a good QB, like yesterday. QBs that are not a running threat are dead meat. And it's not like these guys are completing passes at least 63%, a mark of a good QB. This is why given situation, I would still go with Woolsey and let him learn and face the fire, make plays and hopefully, try not to turn the ball over.


  77. jeezy33:

    77. And to people who like to make excuses of being young and inexperienced, we beat South Alabama 23-7 last year. This year, South Alabama is 2-3 with wins over a pretty solid Western Kentucky team and Tulane. Lost at Tennessee by 7 and lost at Troy by 1. That in my opinion is progress. We beat UNLV 48-10 last year. This game coming up is really going to tell if Hawaii has improved at all.


  78. jeezy33:

    Considering I am going to Vegas this week.... I am really considering putting money on Hawaii +315... considering we beat UNLV bad last year with the same QB and RB. If we can come out with the same defensive strategy, I would like to think we can beat them..


  79. A-House:

    I have been a UH football supporter since 1959 when we gathered YMCA/YWCA students and walked to Honolulu Stadium to watch games - rain or dry. Will always support the program and athletes.

    Many comments still refer to only one thing - COACHING! fire Chow now or next year? let him do his calling for 3 years and then let us judge his success/failures.

    Questions: today, right now, how many are satisfied with the offensive play calling? how many are satisfied with the defensive scheme(s)? is the difference in average points lost by in a game by a legitimate factor in improvement? by what standard do we use to judge success or failure? seems the yardstick is long and varied.

    I have met many different leaders in my short life time and the worst one(s) are those who refuse to change. Attitude needs an adjustment, but it's not easy as we all know - hell, certain parts of the "South" are still fighting the Civil War and religion, in certain parts of our globe, "trumps" all that is good or bad in a country/nation. Many citizens of defeated nations will remember what happened to them back in the day of conquest and how they were treated by the conqueror - many for centuries, yet the "hatred" still persists. Our political leaders must remember this fact of life.

    I remember attending a military conference in Bangladesh in 1992 and the Sri Lankan Army Chief of Staff gave a simple presentation. He said and I paraphrase, have patience with our military improvement(s) as we are learning how to govern ourselves after 4 centuries of British rule. That was his total presentation.

    How important is the success of UH football and sports in general to the coaching staff at UH? Do they work hard?; absolutely, but this may not equate to a successful program. For sure, IMHO, a coach must be an excellent teacher and supervisor; skills honed over time and experienced with in many different situations. All the assistant coaches may lack this trait. Every teacher/supervisor/boss must select and teach someone to replace him/her; yet, many fail to do this in fear that that person will supplement him/her. However, that should be accepted as a compliment to the teacher not stigma.


  80. Buffoman:

    #74 I would say that Colt was great, but maybe because I am an old fut, I have to say that Garrett Gabriel was pretty darn terrific, not just because he was at the helm when we beat BYU, but he played very well. Then there's Michael Carter. That man was a magician in that offense we ran, and he was such a tough guy.

    I would have to say Garrett and Michael have to be given consideration when mentioning great UH QBs.


  81. A-House:

    #80:

    I would go the other way unless you have inside information that UH OC will be very innovative the entire game, Woosley will start and Higgens to sub, and the D will go with the 5 -2 scheme.


  82. A-House:

    anyone I personally know going to LV for the game?

    I have $100 to put on UNLV - if I lose, my post is as good as my word that I will pay you. If I win, bring back my moohla!


  83. J-FORCE:

    Team lacking the swag factor except for Ne'quan Phillips.


  84. RedZone:

    Time to put some paint on the canvas.


  85. NotNasti:

    Jeezy, I didn't notice any coaches arguing. I did see Demo speaking emphatically with another coach (didn't see who it was) during 4th quarter. I didn't pay attention because Demo seems to be "high energy" the entire game. Beau Yap on the other hand, called out his entire defense after Jarrod Lawson's (#40) 39 yd run near the end of the 2nd Quarter. He was going off on the sidelines, yelling "WAKE UP, WHAT THE Fxxx IS GOING ON HERE . . . " Another player got between him and the DB's that he was directing his anger at. In the long run it may be a good thing, as they need a leader (not a coach) to step up and give the team an identity. Ne'quan has swagger, but I think the leader has to be a d-lineman or linebacker stud type of player.


  86. Boolakanka:

    An identity of a team is huge. So i agree with many of the previous posts. But I
    know in my day (prehistoric, I know) that win or lose, whether it was long beach state or Oklahoma, the other team, knew that it was going to a long night, and they were going to get beat up.


  87. jeezy33:

    87. I see.. someone mentioned the coaches almost fighting so I was curious what happened. Probably going off on Marrell if it was a DB. Had one of his worst games I've seen. Even on the first TD where Chandler Jones burned Nequan deep, Marrell took a poor angle and missed the tackle.


  88. Old School Dave:

    New weight room? That sounds like a move in the right direction.

    The competition:

    http://www.utahstateaggies.com/aggieweightroom.html

    http://www.gowyo.com/ot/rochelle.html

    Still remember when guys like Levi Stanley, Don Herrold, Dan Audick, Charlie Aiu, Cliff Laboy, among others used to lift in that attached room to Klum Gym.

    In the late 70s UH players had memberships to the old Nautilus Fitness Center on S. King Street (BOA building).


  89. jeezy33:

    90. Utah St is the new Boise St in my eyes... It's impressive how far that program has grown over the years. Good basketball program and football program on the rise. Unfortunate to lose Keeton. I think they have the best team in the league with a healthy QB


  90. NotNasti:

    OSD: Thanks for the link. Interesting to note that the now "largest" weight room in the MWC was made possible by the largest single (anonymous) donation to the Utah State athletic department. We need some big donors. Maybe the "in" with Oracle will be to introduce Larry Ellison to the UH sailing team, get him behind them, and reel him into the entire athletic department.


  91. Old School Dave:

    NotNasti: You're welcome. I wonder where they would build the new UH weight room? I guess remodeling Klum Gym (adding additional floors) would make sense. Noticed the price tag on USU's new S & C facility - maybe double for UH's? I think with all of the public scrutiny over waste at UH, the best route (as challenging it is) would be through private donations and fund raising as opposed to using State $$$.


  92. old fart Rob:

    Re: Old weight room attached to Klum Gym. Terry Albritton and Gus Reithswich? used to work out there too.
    I remember when Semari "Sam" Ulufale wanted to borrow my weight belt- size 32. How could a 270lb plus samoan have the same waist as me- 140 lb Asian?
    I said, "ok, but can I have it back? I need to do some squats."


  93. Bigislandkurt:

    The new Boises will come from the Dakotas. North and South. They got $$$ and lots of enthusiastic fans.

    With that said, that is why Utah State is an official player in the college football landscape. Investments.

    BIK


  94. Old School Dave:

    I remember Gus Rethwisch, the powerlifter. He also played a "crazed" football player in an episode of Magnum P.I.


  95. cocobean:

    From Halawa to New Haven......local boy makes good.

    Would make a nice story for the blog host's Tsai's Matters segment on the Inside Access show.


  96. Boolakanka:

    97-nice of you to say, but ST should do something with one of the bruddha s that live in Hawa'i, doing good works.


  97. NotNasti:

    ST: Origin of the Phrase "Back to the drawing board." (from Phrase Finder)

    A drawing board is, of course, an architect's or draughtsman's table, used for the preparation of designs or blueprints.

    The phrase originated as the caption to a cartoon produced by Peter Arno (Curtis Arnoux Peters, Jr.), for the New Yorker magazine, in 1941. The cartoon shows various military men and ground crew racing toward a crashed plane, and a designer, with a roll of plans under his arm, walking away saying, "Well, back to the old drawing board".


  98. wafan:

    100!


  99. gobows:

    #97

    hope you not talking about the "feces in the dryer" guy mentioned by notnasti at #66...


  100. Derek:

    Remember, we are on the road. I would feel a lot more better going on the road with a good team, which we aren't. Caleb Herring has taken over at QB for the Rebels and he has taken the team on a 3 game winning streak. They scored 56 points at New Mexico breaking their own record road losses. Vegas is on a high, Hawaii is in a low period and getting lower with each loss. The line is now at +9 1/2 Hawaii and probably rising. I feel very bad vibes for our Warriors. Better to play something else.


  101. cocobean:

    #101. No not that person. Although the person I was referring to is still on the list of suspects involved in the on going investigation of that infamous incident that happened at Aiea High School in the early 80's. That's when someone wrapped feces in newspaper outside the teachers lounge and set it on fire. As you know there's no statue of limitation for that type of crime.


  102. Boolakanka:

    Ahhh, the great na ali'i kukai burglar, beware kids, he still roams the hallways....


  103. NotNasti:

    Since when did Boolakanaka change his name to Boolakanka? Is he impersonating himself?


  104. Boolakanaka:

    Nah, just signing in on a train, on a iPhone, and losing my eyesite-auwe!


  105. cocobean:

    What's lost in the disappointing loss to SJSU is the offense has shown improverment. What's most disappointing to me is we're still making more physical and mental errors than our opponents.

    Our D had a letdown which was uncharacteristic of them. I know they'll come out fired up for UNLV. It's the O that has been inconsistant. They're like what Forrest said about a box of chocolate...you never know what you're going to get.


  106. Buffoman:

    I am old school and do not believe that today's "swag" is that important.

    When I used to coach, I use to tell my players play with no facial expression, when you've done something outstanding, don't show any emotion, no gestures, no words. Act as though that's normal and you do it all the time. It'll get inside your opponents head and he'll start to fear you and question himself.

    When we are on the verge of really pulling momentum on our side, in a timeout I tell my guys, now when the guy looks at you and you see the fear and doubt in his eyes, give him a small smile. You know you got him.

    All of that strut stuff, slash move, that's for one play, one time. Show no emotion all the time and make great plays, without emotion it will get into someone's head. It worked for us, anyway.

    I don't know if that's "swag", but my guys used to freak opponents out, especially with that little smile, no words. My guys used to laugh after games tell each other how their guy would start blaming their own teammates for stuff they failed to execute.


  107. Kevin:

    That is NOT “swag”.

    It can be confused with general swagger that can be easily seen (i.e. showboating), but its mostly about how one holds themselves at all times, that quiet confidence in body language when one is doing something or just did something, or even as simple as walking to and from a game.

    Can’t put a true definition on it, but all that NFL show-boating crap… that’s not REAL “swag”. That's just over-paid millionaires bragging about stuff that they are supposed to be able to do anyway considering that is their only function 24/7/365.


  108. AllG:

    27...Spot on! This is the reason our team is struggling plain and simple


  109. Old Diver:

    Coaches telling players not to throw interceptions, not make mistakes or to play together will shed few results as witnessed by the past two seasons. It's about giving players enough reps in practice and having then execute those reps properly. Making the same mistakes during the season is on the head coach. Better recruits won't fix poor coaching.


  110. Derek:

    UNLV QB Caleb Herring leads the nation in completion percentage at 75%. In his 3 starts he has thrown for 8 TDs and Zero picks. Now a senior, he was once a starter and lost his job when he threw 3 pick 6s in the opening game last season against Southern Utah. Herring was the starting QB in 2011 when UNLV beat Hawaii 40-20 in Las Vegas, a game Hawaii was a 20 point favorite and eventually cost Greg McMackin his job.

    So, Herring has done it against Hawaii before, in Vegas. Is it any different this time?


  111. Dino:

    i was listening for call the coach with chow tonight, but it wasn't on the air.


  112. oneseason:

    maybe PPV? :)


  113. markazulu:

    WINNING CURES EVERYTHING!

    I appreciate the effort from the coaches and players i can see the passion we've seen how this team can look but they need to come together for a whole game.

    Go Bows


  114. tom mui:

    #116 Why not just abolish UH football? It's the right thing to do.
    If we boycott the game, not buying tickets, we can really set football back because the game depends on tickets and the good will of donors. No tickets, budget of the AD goes totally screwy. Of course programs dependent on football revenues - like most of the women's sports, basketball, softball, soccer will go bye-bye and non-revenue men's sports will also go bye-bye.

    Gee, I should run as a GOP Congressman.


  115. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Can I just say that the football players eating at KCC culinary school is a fricken genius idea.

    The food there is awesome. The players appear to enjoy it. Culinary students are getting experience. It really does provide a win-win situation.

    Seriously, this is a genius idea. Whoever came up with the idea, mahalo plenty!


  116. War-E-Or:

    Josh Mcdaniels studied some run and shoot, as well as the coordinator of the Broncos. Find out who else is connected to those guys and see if their worth checking out... Nah..jus kidding..
    Brah.... Enough already. Just support the kids and da school. Would be nice if the rich ppl of Hawaii would show UH some love.... The owner of lanai, the creator of aol.... Psst, pssst... Come on!!!! Ask Oprah too! She gives money to colleges when shes invited to give seminars... Dont hurt to ask.


  117. al:

    _ahouse...you want $100 unlv -10?
    you don't have to be in lv for that.
    in fact, i'll take half of that from you.