Idle chatter

October 16th, 2013
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If it's hump day of bye week, it's time to ask again: Why isn't UH playing Colorado in Boulder this Saturday?

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The Rainbow Warriors resume practice today. While the framework of the game plan for Colorado State is in place, the more specific details and adjustments will be implemented during next week's practices. UH won't decide on a starting quarterback until next week. But expect the Warriors to go back to the more aggressive, blitzing style that was effective earlier in the season.

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Jordan Pu‘u-Robinson's family had made plans a long time ago to attend last week's UNLV game. Those plans did not change after Pu‘u-Robinson suffered an MCL injury. Instead, the family bought him a ticket to Vegas. Pu‘u-Robinson will be ready to play against CSU.

Actually, he's ready to play this week, if there were a game this Saturday ...

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Belated birthday wishes to A-Sports.

201 Responses to “Idle chatter”

  1. ai-eee-soos:

    mornin


  2. UHfan808:

    Good morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! :D


  3. ai-eee-soos:

    stock market " feeling good" ...


  4. ai-eee-soos:

    GO WARRIORS !!!


  5. whitey:

    good morning tsaikos


  6. Wes'side Warrior:

    Morning, Gang!

    Hope you all have a great day!

    Wondering out loud... while the defense was pretty effective against out-of-conference schools in the first few games, why did we ease up (so to speak) once we got into conference play, injuries aside?

    Nonetheless, we have still been far more competitive this year than in recent years past, even with such low offensive production to start the year. In MY opinion, anyway. Looking forward to the second half of this season.

    Did any word officially come down from Lower Campus as to why, exactly, we refused the Colorado game? Are we already out of the RED without it, still with half a season to go?


  7. Former UH Athlete:

    All I ask for is that they add more guys to the DLine rotation and for the offense to slow it's pace down and try to shorten the game. The defense is getting left out to dry. Not fair to ask them to defend 90-100 plays.

    No huddle is fine, but you don't need to leave 20 seconds on the play clock every play. Go fast is spurts to catch the defense in the wrong personnel, but if they match up... get it right, not get it fast. Going fast vs a defense that's ready for you only produces sub-1 min 3 and outs.

    The positives for no-huddle is that it prevents the defense from disguising their defense, but once you get them showing their alignment, make the proper adjustment to exploit the soft spots. You don't get extra points for scoring under 2 minutes.


  8. Former UH Athlete:

    BTW... I heard UNLV's 114 plays from scrimmage nearly matched the all time record for non-overtime game. I heard 116 is the record (I didn't verify).


  9. RainbowCliff:

    Aloha Morning to all of Tsaiko Nation !

    Warm & Sunny here in the City of Angels. Great day recruiting at SMJC yesterday as I have scheduled Trade Tech on the 28th of this month and South West College the 31st. (Halloween Night)

    Both schools are less then 30 minutes away as South West is practically down the street from my youth center Al Wooten. Just need upper campus office admission to confirmed so I can lock in dates / time as I am ready once again to "sign them up" and keep UH LA students coming to Manoa. My goal this time around 200 from both schools as I start early from 9:00 am until 1:00 pm. On a ROLL as all I need is to refill more interest cards, brochures and UH table banner.

    Kudos to Kekoa on sending me a Hawaii banner years ago as it was just AWESOME at SMJC the big H and green just mesmerizing there every move. Have a GREAT day Tsaiko Nation as I go for some swim time in my pool before going to work at Al Wooten.


  10. 3-Prong:

    Good Morning from the Pacific Northwest. Looking forward to enjoying a little R&R w/#2 and the Mrs. Shopping, Fall King fishing, crabbing, and checking out Mariota's quest for Heisman and National Championship in Eugene on the agenda. D1, bad timing, no Cats game in town this week. Time to check out the Willamette Valleys Fall colors.

    .............and of course, Let's Go Bows!!!


  11. LizKauai iPad:

    Aloha Kakahiaka!
    Have a great day!
    J E T S!


  12. mo808:

    Good Morning Folks!

    Hana Hou Happy Birthday Blessings to A-Sports!
    Like a Fine Wine she ages beautifully! :-)


  13. Balko:

    I'm not sure I understand the push for a game during the bye week. If the upside is more money in the coffers for UH, or simply our desire for entertainment, I'm underwhelmed. Adding another game compounds the injury risk to these kids and isn't worth it; especially the long-term impact of concussion injuries.

    We're winless, the coaches should use this time to formulate a coherent game plan to get on the winning path next week, and finish the season on a high note with wins in the remaining scheduled games.


  14. Ipu Man:

    Hawaii may not have autumn colors but yesterday I saw an awesome big fat juicy rainbow just resting on Manoa valley. Thick purple, Sea Blue, Green , Yellow, Orange and ruby red.


  15. (Jesse)James:

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!!

    Hope all have a great day!!!!


  16. Dan-O:

    #7....but if the D can stop the other team's offense, then there's no 114 plays.


  17. Dan-O:

    Plus, the defense misses Gener. No coincidence that the performance level has dropped since he left the OSU game in the first half.


  18. isleboy:

    Why play Colorado this week? Coaches and players need to figure out
    Why they are 0 wins and 6 losses into the season. Great time to listen
    To disgruntled fans and realize the state is not happy with progress
    Of team.


  19. Slugger:

    Good morning, gang!

    Rainbow Cliff, mahaloz for your recruiting work! Sounded like a great day at SMJC.

    Saw Tyler Hadden's family at the UNLV game, Pierce's uncle, & Ryan Grice-Mullins. There were Tsaikos I didn't get to say HI! to. Catch you next time.

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  20. Lowtone123:

    Why is there any doubt who the starting QB should be? Sean Schroeder while no wins to his credit has moved the offense like we didn't see with Graham and they have scored more points and have provided more excitement for the team and the fans.


  21. Slugger:

    Happy belated birthday, A-Sports!


  22. Down with...:

    @18 isleboy:

    actually pretty happy with the progress of the team and recruiting...the win/loss doesn't show it though....but things are getting better, at least from last year (our only true gauge). More wins, A win, would be good...but at least progress is being made in the positive versus going backwards...Aloha, Go Warriors!!!


  23. Inyoface:

    Kinda glad they don't play this weekend. Time to regroup, lick their wounds and get mentally ready for the second half of the season. We need a starting QB to be announced already, Schroeder should start and put Taylor in the second half when we're blowing away the other team. Hey gotta start somewhere and we're already half way through the season.


  24. NotNasti:

    Is it me, or does Tyler Hadden have more oomph in his leg this year?


  25. jeezy33:

    20... Stats are deceiving... You like the numbers but football is about efficiency and consistency. SS isn't neither right now.

    Count the 3 and outs and time of possession that the offense is on the field. That means your defense is on the field for 100 snaps. Like Fresno St., UNLV got conservative and let Hawaii back in the game.

    When your go to play is throwing the ball deep and hoping a WR can make a big time play on the ball, your offense isn't going to move consistently in order to sustain drives. You are banking on hitting the home run or 3 and out on every possession basically.

    Look at the Delay of Game after Bubbas nice kick off return that lead to 0 points. That is not efficient at all.

    I give SS all the credit for giving it his all, but lets be honest and admit he is the most limited QB in the conference as far as what plays you can run. An efficient QB will complete 63+% of his passes and have a TD-INT ratio of 3-1. We don't have that.

    We are 0-6 right now. We aren't winning the MWC or going to a bowl this year. I would rather see Hawaii build for next year at this point. Develop a Woolsey and play call to his strengths. Zone reads, roll outs, bubble screens,, boot leg, etc. Accounting for Woolsey as a runner means 1 less guy in the box to stop RB.


  26. jimmy the lock:

    Dromedary or bactrian?


  27. Fan:

    25....a very insightful and accurate assessment. I like SS And respect that he has given his all in a courageous way. But even with a that there simply are limitations in his game. Whether Graham offers more is a mystery to me at present. It seemed like he was starting to get in the groove in the Nevada game but who knows how far the injury has set him back. Woolsey has the physical skills but whether we can stand the risk of more losses as he matures is the question. I am not sure I can. Higgins is a gamer who hasn't really had his chance this year. Based upon last year's efforts I think he also brings significant limitations in arm strength and delivery to the table. The brilliant choice will be the one who leads to winning the next game!


  28. Rite80:

    Not really into the fine art of looking at football stats except the win loss stat. From my perspective if Chow's loses the Colorado State game, his next best chance to win will be the Army game, and Army won't be a South Alabama push over.


  29. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    More practice time. Time to heal from injuries. We aren't very good. $$$. The way the season is going, I feel kinda blah about playing an extra game. But, that's just me.


  30. Tanman:

    Well, by taking the BYE this week, the team can concentrate on practicing to play Colorado State and hopefully, we'll get the illusive first win of the season!! Go Bows!! Go Warriors!!


  31. RedZone:

    Go Jordan.

    Go Rainbow Warriors.

    We get chance. I still believe.


  32. cocobean:

    Fund raiser......

    UHAD should set up 4 1-900#s to vote for your choice of who should start at QB against CSU. Cost $2.00 a vote you may vote as many times as you want.


  33. markazulu:

    Oline has played better and sean schroder has shown the ability to move the offense and put it in the end zone. I'll agree though that delay of game penalty was ridiculous after that 85 yard return. Seeing better improvement from our offense (passing wise)


  34. Slugger:

    NotNasti,

    Tyler had surgery to repair (hip? hernia? Sorry, I forget). He's doing much better this year. GO TYLER!!!

    GO RAINBOW WARRIORS!!!


  35. Marleysdad:

    #25 jeezy, why do you keep saying fresno let off?

    I was watching UH/FSU on Fast Forward on OC16 last night, what a great way to watch a game. They only show all the plays from snap to whistle, no BS between the play stuff.

    After the pick 6 by Woolsey, FSU did not let off. Carr was still in the game. 1st & 2nd D still rotated. O was still passing. D was still blitzing. All while up 42-3.

    The team showed great resiliency, fight, & determination. Although they came up short, you must give them credit for not mailing it in.

    While SS may not be what we all want at QB, he is definitely a Warrior.

    What we really need right now is to put 4 quarters together & play a complete game.


  36. SteveM:

    Good morning everyone!

    We have noted all the good reasons and bad reasons for playing Colorado last-minute for a mere $300,000+ NET payday. But I think the worst consequence is the loss of the "sympathy" card from Ben Jay's hand. He might find it more difficult to find donors when it is known he turned down a $300+K payday this week.


  37. st. anthony trojan:

    We have not lost ... ne game.. we should have won..(according to the odds makers) so why get upset over that.. I am sure if you ask the coaches... every last one of them..would say... if the players.. executed as the play is drawn up ... both offense and defense..... we could just as well be 6-0 instead of 0-6...

    Don't 4 get... we are playing a better grade of competition here in the MW... this is not the WAC for gods sake...the caliber of competition is better...as we get better also...

    Playing together as a unit over several game.... is what makes for a better team.. lets hope this second half of the season will show it to us fans...this team will not give up...and so should we..

    IMUA


  38. goforit2:

    Any limitations with SS game are due to limitations with the team...need to develop reliable RB's and OL to open routes (seems to be getting more experience/confidence each week, though at times in last three games seemed like SS only options are to pass), reliable WR's (hold on to that ball, catch with your hands, not your body) and consistent play by the TE's. Passing stats have Hawaii ranked #27 in nation.

    Team should be spending the practice time building on their successess in the past weeks, using the momentum to inspire and move forward. This week to week "soap opera" of who is the starting QB is getting old. The starters should be set and spending the time improving their play as a cohesive unit...offense and defense ready to go and ON through out the whole game. It's well into mid season and UH is still acting like they are in Fall Camp.

    To quote another: "Set the OL, set the QB, and set the attitude of the D.....go out and play the game....go out and just win the damn thing----Go Warriors."


  39. primo123:

    #7

    Agree!

    Slow the game down, will pay off later in the game, when the defense isn't gassed.


  40. primo123:

    #16

    The offense not helping by going 3 and out so quickly.

    If the offense going 3 and out....at least they have control over doing it quick or give the defense some time to sit down and drink some water.


  41. jeezy33:

    35. It's called prevent defense... Notice Hawaii couldn't move the ball the final 2 drives that would have given Hawaii a chance to win? Do you really think Hawaii offense just decides to turn it on when they get behind 3 scores????


  42. primo123:

    #25

    No need build for the "future" right now.........Just WIN ONE GAME first!!!


  43. primo123:

    #41

    Fresno State's defense sucked regardless if they were in prevent or not.

    How much YAC yards did we get against them.


  44. primo123:

    Fresno St pass defense is ranked #116.....hmmmmm......


  45. ALLAN:

    EHOWZIT RAINBOWCLIFF,
    I RARELY BLOG, SO THANKS FOR REPLY IN PREVIOUS BLOG. LAST YEAR, I BLOGGED, AND HAD ACUPLA REPLIES; I MIGHT MAKE A COMMENT 2-3 TIMES A YEAR.


  46. jeezy33:

    43. I agree..... Basically, we have a bunch of back up quality QBs and were picking the best of the back ups. SS probably knows the offense the most. Limited arm but he does know where to go with the ball. Woolsey more upside and more years to develop. So question is do u give Woolsey more reps to prepare him for later while seeing him grow now?


  47. jeezy33:

    ONe reason I like Woolsey is because he can give Hawaii more of a rushing attack allowing Hawaii to sustain longer drives in my opinion and keep the defense more rested. We can't have them on the field for 100 plays.


  48. ponojr:

    If Graham is ready, he should play and prepare for next year. If he can't go, then you have to stick with SS. The guy has a weak arm, but he's moving the team.


  49. primo123:

    #46-47

    SS or Taylor the way to go....for now.

    Yes, Woolsey brings the running ability and sometimes we need that.

    We can use him as a wild cat for now.

    We need to stop those quick 3 and outs that dont give our defense time to catch their breath.

    I know the offense not doing it on purpose, but, if you can slow it down to control it, then why not? Especially, after going 3 and out on 2 consecutive possessions, for example.


  50. primo123:

    also, STOP calling plays that makes SS run with the ball on the edge.......NO BRAINER....that's like giving away a down.

    bad play calling....plain and simple.


  51. Boolakanaka:

    Aloha Kakou from the UK! Doing some work on the other side of the pond, so my comments maybe limited over the next week. Get healthy warriors...


  52. Leahi2:

    My view of the level of our MW competition this season: We are now 0-6 for the season. Our team played San Jose, Nevada, Fresno State and they are all formerly of the WAC. Then there was UNLV the MWs habitual doormat. This whole idea that we are playing stiffer competition...well yes about USC and Oregon State but they are not MW. Utah State and San Jose State, the newest in the MW seems to be doing better than ............


  53. Whats up:

    jeezy33

    Relax, I like Woosley too and he is getting some game reps that are invaluable for the future. But Woosley wasn't productive against a porous Fresno Defense and SS was. Woolsey needs more time to develop and doesn't have as many live game looks/reps against opponets defenses as SS. Woosley is still getting some live game reps behind SS and that is appropraite based off QB performance so far.

    But as I recall, I was shooting off my mouth before the Fresno game about the same thing you just said about Woosley. Chow started Woolsey and we all know what happened? And Sean Schroeder is now the starting QB. I don't buy into your theory that the opponets defense just gave up and played prevent conservative defense and let SS just do whatever he wanted and scored all those points.

    Thats total BS, the reason the team made those comebacks was because they didn't give up on defense and offense. Sean Schroeder made some gutsy throws and read the defenses well. And we all know from last season SS took a beating and is a tough, never give up, lion hearted competitor. So its no surprise that he led by example and the team reflects his no quit grittyness.

    Woosley and Graham have a great mentor in Schroeder about keeping your mouth shut about not being named the starter, being a team player, doing what is asked of you by the coaches, taking a beating toughness, never give up, being a champion by playing his heart out for his team mates and for the State of Hawaii.

    Hawaii fans be patient, I understand the frustration, the wins will come, its only year 2 of the Chow era and the team is young considering it's loaded with Freshman, Sophomores and Juniors. Of course, I still agree with Tsai that the Colorado game this Saturday would be way more beneficial to such a young team than a scrimmage.


  54. st. anthony trojan:

    Yea ... # 52.. but we have to remember.. we were never favored in any game we played....no matter what conference they came from or are in.. and all were favored.. so... for me..we came close a few times.... but still no banana..... we have to keep digging and ....pushing.. and the win will eventually come... hope this year.. he he he..


  55. turfwar:

    Well said Whats up.


  56. jeezy33:

    53. By no means do I think Woolsey is better right now than SS. But I think you have to give him a chance so he can maximize his potential and see what we have to work with...

    Also, if Norm was going to start Woolsey against Fresno, he needs to call a smarter, more productive game plan that would let Woolsey succeed. More zone reads, more direct snap runs with Lakalaka lead blocking, more boot leg roll outs that give Woolsey simple reads and throws.

    Having Woolsey take 5 step drops and asking him to go through 3+ progressions isn't going to allow him to succeed. 1-2 reads with a safety valve and option to run would be the way to go.


  57. jimmy the lock:

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say dromedary.


  58. d1shima:

    As a fan I'd always like to see another game but would also agonize if it turns into another loss. Taking this team at 0-6 on the road at this point may have been dicey at best...even to Boulder.


  59. d1shima:

    3-Prong,

    Have a great time in the PNW this week.

    Cats have another challenging road trip up to djmitcho's territory.

    Did I mention that there is a VooDoo doughnuts in Eugene? ;-)


  60. whitey:

    3 prong, i jealous. fall chinooks!!!!! wow!!!!


  61. whitey:

    and not to mention apple season in the nw


  62. Moocher:

    people are nutz....almost no class already

    SS has given everything. people wanted points, SS has given that. People wanted the team to compete, SS has lead that. Seriously yet people will say, oh but we are limited with SS? really? please explain how a weak arm and slow feet have given the most exciting games to date?

    SS picked the whole team up, picked the fans up, picked the offense up, it was the D that let the wins get away, not any limitations from SS.

    Hey if the playbook was scaled down for SS's limitations and the O still managed to put up those points, then i'll take it as is and focus on the D.

    the bird is in the hand and people still trying to get two in the bush.

    totally fault chow on this one. I knew it....i said at the beginning the year TG would have an injury, SS would come in and shine and we got a QB controversy. the only controversy there is is that chow anointed TG QB and now he is stuck and has to keep saying things like TG is the guy, we will evaluate and name a qb this week and other BS. Give SS the reps, he's building chemistry with the team, he's a leader of the team and instead of putting the car in drive people want to stay in neutral or worse, go in reverse....

    seriously sometimes i think hawaii fans think we are playing for a national championship or something. SS has got the team moving and to change anything now will totally breakdown the chemistry and leadership that he brought into the fold. "doh, but yeah his arm is weak"....hey, there are intangibles SS brings to the table...QB is not about arm strength alone. every couch potato pro knows that.

    Keep SS in...he saw all these teams last year. it's like people got something personal against this young man.


  63. Whats up:

    Jeezy33

    I think the Woosley does need play calling with more zone reads, QB draws and plays the maximize his athletic ability. But Woolsey has a cannon of a arm and that makes him even more versatile. So, yes Chow does need to get Woosley to make 5-7 step drops and go through his progressions and read the defenses. It would be a waste of a huge talented cannon of a arm if he didn't. I don't think using Woolsey as a one trick pony (athletic mobile QB) better serves Woolsey or the team. In the future, it will serve Woolsey better to scare the defense with his legs, cannon arm and ability to make great decisions. Man, Woolsey is a exciting prospect, he just needs more time to develop and the live game reps he is getting will help for next season and beyond.


  64. Seawalker:

    Play Colorado? Why not? No difference between going 3-9 vs. 3-10. You have make use of the Hawaii exemption, especially when Colorado comes calling. It not only fills an immediate need, Colorado or some other team may return the favor one day. Pac-12, eh? Well, it ain't going to happen if you keep playing chicken.


  65. JuneJonesleftusgetoverit:

    We not playing Colorado because Chow doesnt want to have proof he is the worst coach ever beating the 1998 0-12 team with the 2013 0-13 team


  66. Moocher:

    yeah stick other qbs in for pt when the game allows or dictates...but for pitty sakes, SS is the guy for now with the hot hand-hands down.


  67. JuneJonesleftusgetoverit:

    Man I dont know what games you guys are watching. Woosley I keep hearing is this great runner. He looks pretty slow to me.


  68. PolyMom:

    Safe travels Don Wier.


  69. 3-Prong:

    d1, whitey: Fall colors gracing the valley, bringing me back to younger days. Mrs first experience. Awesome. Hope I can get in the door at voodoo. Friend tells me Chinook might be tough with low rainfall of late but will try along with the crabbing. Excited!


  70. jeezy33:

    63. You have to set it up though... SS will chuck it up on half of his throws... Woolsey needs to grind out the yards and eventually hit the defense big when looking for the run...

    It is more important to sustain drives than just go for home run or nothing and defense right back on the field regardless of score or 3 and out


  71. jeezy33:

    Moocher... There is way more to the game then points.. I won't even bother getting into it because you only see the points at the end of games..


  72. Marleysdad:

    Jeezy,

    #41 Again, I watched the game last night for the 3rd time. they DID NOT play prevent defense at all, at any point in the 2nd half.

    #46 Yesterdays post #78 you said game reps don't matter, now today they do? Make up your mind. Do they or don't they......

    We need a win now. I think SS gives us the best chance right now. Although I am not against IW getting a series here & there.


  73. jeezy33:

    72. Game Reps do matter... But we don't know anything about Woolsey at this point... What I said was if a QB isn't good or show flashes of being good as a freshman, they aren't going to get good 3 years later... We don't even know if Woolsey is good..

    U need examples? Jake Heaps wasn't good at BYU and isnt good now... Garrett Gilbert wasn't good at Texas, and still isn't good at SMU. Christian HAckenburg is good at Penn St now.. He is going to be great when in 2 years.


  74. jeezy33:

    So my main point is a average QB is going to be an average QB whether he gets more reps or not....

    But you obviously need reps to find that out... Not 2-3 years though...


  75. primo123:

    Chow's formula for QB's and he's stated this publicly already many times, two years to learn, two years to play.


  76. jeezy33:

    75. Maybe that's why were so behind the rest of the country now days....

    Most winning teams seem to find guys who can redshirt 1 year, play good as a freshman, and start flourishing as a soph...


  77. A-House:

    thank you, thank you to Darren for his "coupon" contribution to the Na Wahine BB team!!!

    great lunch chatter too!


  78. jeezy33:

    If you seriously think it takes 2 years to learn how to play QB in a system, just find tape if you can on Colt Brennan his sophomore season. He didn't take Hawaii to a bowl game. But you definitely knew you had something special coming...


  79. primo123:

    #76

    Yours is a blanket statement, that I cannot agree or disagree about.

    "The sky is blue"

    I'm sure there are some winning teams that can and cannot do what you say.


  80. primo123:

    I'm not a QB, but, I thought JJ's run and shoot depends alot on the WR and the QB being on the same page. Pass routes are sight adjusted, so depending on how the defense is playing the receiver, determines if the WR is going to cut right or left.

    The question is, Would Colt have taken 2 years to learn Chow's system? We will never know


  81. jeezy33:

    79.. I'm not saying it has to be that way.... But ideally, you wan't to bring in a QB with every class so that you have 2 guys that can really play.. And you don't have to sit 2 years these days to learn a system... So many QBs are proving that you can play far sooner than later.

    When Norm Chow got hired, he hasn't signed 1 QB yet to play in his 1st 2 years... Taylor Graham approached him and transferred because he wasn't going to play at all behind Braxton Miller or the kid they have Guiton.

    To put all your eggs in 1 basket that Graham was going to be the savior without personally going out to recruit a QB was a huge mistake in my opinion.


  82. Moocher:

    Jeezy33 seriously...points? doesn't points determine who wins and who looses?


  83. Will-I-Am:

    I heard the coaches go to classrooms to do roll call to make sure players are in class.


  84. jeezy33:

    80. Bigger question... If your system takes 2 years to learn, maybe you should re think your system right???


  85. primo123:

    #81

    I hope they recruiting a QB.....we just dont know about it yet.


  86. jeezy33:

    82. And we haven't scored more points than our opponent in 6 games this year... So what your point???

    My point is that we are scoring against poor defenses but our offense decides to click a little too late.. We aren't scoring efficiently throughout the game and sustaining long enough drives that keep our defense off the field.. We complete under 60% of our passes in every game.... That doesn't equal efficiency. We have too many penalties and coaching errors.

    That my point...


  87. primo123:

    #84

    that's why you need to get your recruiting cycle going......Chow hasn't even been here long enough to develop the cycle......


  88. primo123:

    jeezy.....

    is UH getting better game by game....from the first game this year to the last one so far?

    if they're improving, then why change now?

    we just want ONE WIN!!....for now!! puuuleeze!!


  89. jeezy33:

    88.. My answer to your question is no.... We are not improving.... This same UNLV team we beat 48-10 last year... So it shows which team did more this off season....

    and about recruiting cycle. Hard to start a recruiting cycle on offense when you didn't sign a in your 1st class or your 2nd class. Zwahlen wont be here till 2015 at earliest... And Hawaii has had a history of mission players who didn't come back.


  90. primo123:

    i hope they not building their team around zwahlen or any mission players. lol


  91. primo123:

    #89

    same team?? same uniforms maybe.....same mascot.....but....not the same team...didnt kids graduate???

    btw....i didnt say from last year.....i said from the first game THIS year.....


  92. jeezy33:

    primo, if you honestly think this team is improving, you must really forgotten the June Jones era already... We are in bottom 10 of the country..


  93. primo123:

    i'm curious to know, who they recruiting to be Woolsey's future replacement.......

    they got Graham for two years, then Woolsey, then who's next?.......


  94. primo123:

    jeezy...

    from what i am learning and seeing.

    it seems that JJ will give you instant success and positive results. ie. SMU

    but in the long term, JJ might not be able to sustain that success. ie. SMU

    what remains to be seen, is if, Chow will give you better long term success. I dunno.....remains to be seen. Chow definitely hasnt given us instant success.


  95. Moocher:

    Jeey33
    yeah, there's way more to the game then points gang.......
    hey who has the nicer uniforms...let's give them 3 points for that

    SS has built chemistry-much needed....chemistry is not points my brother. SS got the team going, put up points, got the team to be competitive oh but yeah he's limited...yeah he is, all our QBs are limited in some way...but he gives the best shot to win and it was the D that lost the last few games.

    jeezy says "We are 0-6 right now. We aren't winning the MWC or going to a bowl this year. I would rather see Hawaii build for next year at this point."

    so you want to throw away the season for your attitude of let's build for next year and see who else can be QB. in other words screw the seniors because jeezy has given up on the team already and wants look to next year.

    the seniors last year got screwed. this year no way brah, don't screw this year's seniors by throwing in the towel cos jeezy wants to get ready for next year. SS is moving the team and the team will get their wins because they are competing much better now. you want to experiment and break the chemistry that is now there its crazy...what other then points can be more important then team effort, chemistry and team leadership?

    We have no one better then SS right now and the kid is improving. last game ZERO picks. that is huge. it was another step up...if the D held we win. the limited qb is delivering more then any other qb. wins will come.


  96. madeinhawaii:

    Primo,

    QB Aaron Zwahlen should be in the fold in 2015. But they do need to be looking for at least one more this year.


  97. primo123:

    #96

    shhhhh.....if jeezy is listening, he'll want Zwahlen to play NOW for rebuilding for NEXT year!

    LOL......


  98. Marleysdad:

    Can we forget about JJ already? He was here for the women & a female VB player. He left us, get over it. While it was good years, they were not the best years.

    To use your '12/'13 UH/UNLV example, while UNLV got older with a senior laden team, UH got younger.

    If you wnat to compare '12/'13, you must also compare games agains other same opponents. USC was much closer than '12. Same thing with UNR. Same with FSU. Improvements are being made while also getting younger.


  99. jeezy33:

    Moocher... Throw the season away??? We have 0 wins...There is nothing to throw away. I admire your desire to turn things around now but we aren't winning with Sean Schroeder so what the difference if we don't win games with Woolsey but figure out if he is the QB of the future or not?

    I am really curious to know how last years seniors got screwed and this years seniors are getting their moneys worth.. Please explain.


  100. jeezy33:

    97. Yeah Primo... Not delusional like you trying to find positives on a 0-6 team.... Why don't you explain to me how Jacksonville Jaguars are on the rise... Please do that... You are great at finding the positives in everything.


  101. Moocher:

    Jeezy33 what you drinking...team not improving?

    Aren't we playing more exciting ball, competing more, and if you want to use UNLV as a benchmark, which is the same as saying how we did against last year's teams this year....

    fresno state. we lost to them 45-10 last year. this year 42-37.
    last year USC 49-10 this year 30-13.
    last year nevada 69-29. this year nevada 31-9.

    there is improvement...maybe not success yet, but improvement for sure. season not over the team will get their wins.


  102. Marleysdad:

    Uh....Larry Tuileta, QB, '14 commit.


  103. jeezy33:

    You guys are basically trying to argue over starting Matt Cassell, Christian Ponder, or Josh Freeman at QB... its a Lose Lose situation..... Neither are going to win you games.... In Hawaii's case, they have a chance to see if a Freshman is capable of being a D1 QB


  104. jeezy33:

    101.. I love how you forget to throw out UNLV. We beat 48-10 last year.... And you forgot we played a freshman QB at Nevada with 0 game experience...

    If your idea of improving is covering the spread than Congrats, the team has improved in your eyes..


  105. jeezy33:

    South Alabama even has 2 wins this year.


  106. primo123:

    #100

    jeezy.....IF JAGS picked up Tebow.....they'd be UNDEFEATED.....mark that down.....


  107. jeezy33:

    106. At least you're consistent


  108. primo123:

    #105

    We should've played South Alabama's schedule.


  109. primo123:

    haha...jeezy....ur a comedian brother.....keep it going!


  110. primo123:

    #102

    shhhh......jeezy's reading....he'll want Tuileta in at QB next week for UH versus Colorado St.....for the future baby!! do it now!


  111. jeezy33:

    Definition of improvement...

    2011- 6-7

    2012- 3-9

    2013- 0-6 Unfortunately Lamar not on the schedule

    Note that when we went 6-7, we had the same players as we do now, that are now older than they were then... So those kids smelled more success as freshman and sophomores...


  112. jeezy33:

    108... Its the schedules fault now??? I guess we would beat Western Kentucky and Tennessee... YEAH!!


  113. jeezy33:

    Hey Primo, Keep finding new excuses to justify yourself!!


  114. primo123:

    lets not forget

    1. coaching turnover
    2. change in offense philosophy
    3. new offense, needs different type of players. run shoot versus chow's multiple set power football.


  115. primo123:

    hey jeezy....compare records? compare schedules too....haha funny stuff.


  116. primo123:

    hey jeezy....not excuses...compare apples to apples brother....


  117. Moocher:

    jeezy33
    last year, the seniors endured a new coach, at times a stubborn coach, a new system,...it was literally a trying season. we were blown out in almost every game wins were far from reachable. coaching staff really had no answers. seniors bit the bullet.

    this year there's more familiarity. the the offense is clicking and wins are getting closer. only half way through and you want to scrap what is close and have another experimental season, a "trying season" of try this try that because this year is to you is a waste so try for next year.

    why do that when things are close.

    i see negative i see positive.


  118. primo123:

    hey jeezy.....btw....how you think arnold's basketball team going to do in the guard oriented Big West this year?


  119. jeezy33:

    Yeah great excuses... Thanks... I'll not that...

    I'll pass that one over to Matt Wells, Brian Polian, Ron Caragher..... They might need that excuse one day but they have wins so I doubt it.


  120. jeezy33:

    118. Top 3.


  121. Moocher:

    Jeezy33
    you brought up UNLV as a point to say no improvement. so i offered the entire schedule thus far compared to your convenient 1 game to show you yes we lost 1, but in all the others we improved.

    really, what's wrong with you today.


  122. Moocher:

    got much better things to do like pick up the dog poop then argue with jeezy33.

    have fun ladies


  123. Darren:

    LOVE the debating…keep it classy. Popcorn…munch, munch, munch…

    A-House, don’t bet against the home team again…that’d only force me to take up the wager…again. Echo the great lunch conversation. When I grow up, I wanna be able to travel and support UH athletics like the A-House family...


  124. jeezy33:

    Covering the spread does not justify improvement...

    Fresno was up 42-3 at half time last year against Hawaii and put the back ups in...
    Fresno was up 42-3 in the 3rd this past year and decided to play sloppy and Hawaii got back in it... I don't see improvement... They could have easily put us away if they didn't fumble, and turn the ball over.

    Now Hawaii destroyed UNLV last year... An actual WIN... So it is obvious which team improved and which team didn't... Yes Hawaii could have won but UNLV got conservative when up 3 scores and almost came back to bite them...


  125. Marleysdad:

    Must be all this gloom & doom weather the past couple days.


  126. primo123:

    #124

    i coulda sworn i saw a cheerleader in the fresno huddle.......


  127. wasabi:

    111...exactly! Not to mention Chow purged nearly the whole class of 2011...who remains? The worst attrition rate in school history????

    Hasn't happened with Pollian, Caragher....even Derutyer had a smooth transition.

    The attrition rate after this season should be telling...


  128. Marleysdad:

    On a different note.....

    Isn't next week homecoming? I thought there was supposed to be some kind of throwback uni's for that night.

    I sure hope it's not the pre '99 uniforms.


  129. primo123:

    #124

    stop talking about gambling references....nobody in here gambles......we dont care about UH making the spread or not.

    bwwahahahahaha!!


  130. primo123:

    #128

    BRING BACK THE MARSHMELLOW MASCOT and UH will WIN!!! JUS WATCH!


  131. Marleysdad:

    #130....McMuffin?


  132. primo123:

    a assistant coach was on 1420am on morning BEFORE the season and said, "yeah, we had to purge alot of dead weight from last year's (2012) team." "If they werent with us, we just got rid of them".

    lol

    jeezy...u not one of "those" players, were yOU?


  133. primo123:

    #131

    ahhh...you must be too young to remember our Mr. Marshmellow mascot that used to roam the sidelines.

    poor guy in the suit, never recovered and currently resides in permanent therapy.


  134. Andrew:

    Since we are on flashbacks, does anyone remember the name of the guy that used to run and grab the ball holder for the kickoffs and then do the tuck and roll on the sidelines and pump the crowd up? I was pretty young back then and remember him and the marshmellow mascot.


  135. Marleysdad:

    #133, that was a joke.

    While I am younger than most here, I clearly remember him. In fact, one of my friends jumped on the field & stuck Mr. Marshmellow on his ass, then jumped back in the stands before anyone really noticed what was going on.


  136. primo123:

    #135

    lol.....ok..ok...


  137. Marleysdad:

    #134 Gaylord.


  138. Makena:

    http://khnl.images.worldnow.com/images/16575235_BG1.jpg


  139. Jonj:

    I can't believe anyone is still fight for chow!! Have you not heard the prank?!?!? Chow has basically given up.. He would leave the team if a better gig showed up! Chow sucks!! U chow lovers suck! I can't believe we fired a coach becuz he couldn't make a bowl game a year after 10-4 record and a top 25 ranking and now we are arguing how to win one game!!


  140. primo123:

    #139

    out of the loop....What prank?


  141. Jonj:

    http://deadspin.com/meet-the-prankster-who-offered-dungy-the-usc-job-hes-1443167771
    Scroll down further and the guy basically offers chow a job with the giants and he says lets do it


  142. wasabi:

    132- haha that is hilarious- the real dead weight is the coaching staff. They should have asked themselves to leave :)


  143. primo123:

    #142

    the Art of Coach Speak was lost in that interview....lol


  144. primo123:

    if i was chow and got a offer for a better gig, i'd leave too.

    JJ did. $800k to $2 mil.

    no brainer.


  145. primo123:

    #139

    we let JJ escape after he took us to the Sugar Bowl against Georgia.

    who's running the ship?


  146. Jonj:

    144 u think chows gonna be offered more than 500k to be a nfl consultant?!? Also chow could increase his pay here if he jus wins.... But he can't and knows he cant


  147. Marleysdad:

    You know what sucks? People that constantly complain about the same thing over & over & over & over.

    I am not a Chow supporter per-say, neither am I a hater like you.

    My allegiance is to the team, not a coach, past, present or future.


  148. primo123:

    #147

    +1

    The Team is all that matters.


  149. primo123:

    #146

    If i was chow, its not about the money. I think he has enough.

    After this UH gig, i'm out to the pasture.

    Gonna go "count sand pebbles" as he's said before.


  150. Jonj:

    147 aren't u the same guy who hated on BRS saying he wasn't all that?? And my allegiance is to the team... And I don't like where the program is or where it's going!


  151. Jonj:

    Also I think this team has the talent to win and I don't see that translating... Who's to blame players or coach???


  152. Jonj:

    Also jeezy is correct in saying SS is just throwing it up and the WRs have to make the play. A few passes where really under thrown when WRs had a step or two over the DBS. That last TD by gant was a gutsy throw and should have been picked off. Props to gantt keeping his eyes on the ball! Props to all the WRs winning those balls and making sure the DBS don't pick them off by batting away balls from there hands


  153. primo123:

    #151

    if they dont win, its the coaches.

    its always the coaches when it comes to wins and losses.


  154. primo123:

    #152

    I like our chances when our 6'4" receiver goes up for a jump ball against the 5'7" defensive back.

    our guy should win everytime, dontcha think?


  155. primo123:

    altho....under thrown is a weak arm.


  156. Jonj:

    154 I think since those 6'4" WRs went down with injury. We've been seeing better WR consistency. BRS been killing it and if it weren't for under thrown balls he should have had 100+ Yds these past 2 games. Notsabnvi d


  157. Jonj:

    Not saying I don't like kemp or kirkwood but I do think they've been playing Alil too inconsitent


  158. primo123:

    #157

    Still young.

    I'm hoping, by junior - senior year, they'll be STUDS......unstoppable STUDS.


  159. primo123:

    #156

    yes....BRS makes it look easy, no doubt.


  160. markazulu:

    Sean Schroder has played phenomenal and he has heaved up the ball a few times where the Receivers had to fight for it but prior to Sean Schroder in we had no offensive chemsitry what so ever but with Schroder in we have some form of offense production. I know Schroder doesnt have the best arm but in the UNLV game his deep passes were on target for the most part and he played his heart out.


  161. madeinhawaii:

    Until the team wins a few, it will always be the coach's fault.

    Then when they win 6 and lose the 7th.. 8th.. it will be the coach's fault...

    If they win 12 and lose the 13th... it's the dang officiating!


  162. Buffoman:

    Is Jonj and Jeezy the same person? Sounds the same. Just asking as when Jonj started, Jeezy went quiet.

    Just want to know the players, nothing more.


  163. primo123:

    #162

    One is Ying the Other one is Yang.

    No worries.....

    Its like talking to identical twins.

    lol


  164. gobows:

    Primo123

    That hoax master is the same one that asked tony dungy and jack del rio if they were interested in the usc head job. That guy should call on some senators and get them to agree to a budget. Get ready for another govt shutdown either friday or sometime next week.


  165. Jonj:

    160. I think football is a game of 4 quarters and he's been really inconsistent through 4 qts. I don't kno what it is about him an the 4th quarter but that's his time. But he has been getting a spark out of the team. I'd hate to say this but I think giving TG a chance might not b a bad idea. If he takes SS approach and look for single coverage especially with the OLine blocking better. He may do better leading the WRs


  166. jeezy33:

    162. you're on it aren't u... I don't need 2 screen names to expose Primos weak arguments.


  167. Jonj:

    Not the same buffo man. Me and jeezy used to argue all the time. But now I think we both see the same thing with coaching and personnel


  168. jeezy33:

    If SS is so phenomenal, I don't get why other football teams aren't throwing deep fades every single time...

    But you guys are smart.... our offense is explosive and 0 wins backs that one up


  169. jeezy33:

    167. I better reply quicker. Buffoman is timing me whether I can change screen names fast enough.


  170. Jonj:

    169 why this gotta be about u! I think he was timing me! Haha


  171. Marleysdad:

    #150, yup, I didn't think BRS did anything spectacular in his previous 3 years to warrent the #freebillyray movement. Nothing stands out from his past except alligator arms.

    Since his return this season, I think he has provided a huge spark to the receiving corps. He has played extremely well. Props to him.


  172. Marleysdad:

    #168 Saying SS played phenomenal is not the same as saying he is a phenomenal player. We have some pretty good players, but no one has shown they are phenomenal yet.

    To say coaches lose the games is also absurd. They go a long way in deciding the outcome, but they are not the ones playing. Much too many reasons why this team is winless to blame it on any one thing or person. The team lost. And the team will win.

    Just win baby. Winning cures everything.


  173. Kevin:

    RE: Coaches or players losing games.

    Seems like a matter of P.C. talk for part of it..

    When Bob Coolen won his 800th UH career game last season, he immediately credited his current and past players for his success. He was quoted several times saying “I don’t hit a ball, I don’t field a ball, I don’t throw one single pitch, so it’s a testament to the ladies that came before and the players today as to why I have this record”.

    Dave Shoji, after becoming the winningest all time coach in women’s volleyball (D1) this year said the same exact thing: “I don’t get kills, I don’t serve or set a ball, its all on the shoulders of my players past and present”.

    Logically speaking and taking away BIASES-which people here clearly have on what the name of the head coach is for UH football, it goes both ways. Coaches plan and prepare their teams and the players execute. If either doesn’t do their part… you lose.

    If people have a positive bias toward the head coach, its never their fault and its always something else (i.e. difficult schedule, injuries, positional coaches/coordinators not doing their job, etc…).

    Likewise, if people have a negative bias towards the head coach, its all on him.

    Sports arguments from some people carry ZERO weight in a logical and simplified world void of B.S.


  174. Buffoman:

    Nay got better thing to do then time this stuff. Just sounded same-same and did not see one for a while. You guys proved your point : different-different with same views. I get that.

    Okay, going do something else.


  175. markazulu:

    Taylor Graham has been inconsistent a lot to in the first 2 games plenty of people were saying he should be benched after the USC game but i think Graham does have the better arm and he could be a great QB the major problem was protection and Graham not going thru his progressions maybe after watching schroder he gets it but for the most part Sean Schroder these past 3 games have played pretty exceptional though he does cool off but he has played well enough for us to win the problem is our defense is giving up to many big plays since Oregon State they have been giving up tons of big plays but it only really bit us hard against Nevada.


  176. markazulu:

    Its not fair to blame 1 side because there was multiple errors on defense (giving up big plays, false start, that late face mask penalty which i dont blame the henderson for trying to make a play) offense (Sean Schroders Delay of game after the 85 yard return, Gant and Haynes Dropped passes, King Jr fumble, creating no running lanes for the running backs)
    but to be honest i would also state that we had the lead with 1:30 something left on the clock we needed our defense who has played there hearts out to make a stop and they couldnt and you cant blame that on the offense and schroder. Also We have put up more points on the board with Sean Schroder in that is a fact not saying he is the best QB he doesnt have the best arm but the guy is a gamer he moves our offense and he can deliver a pretty accurate deep pass to the point our Receivers have a chance to make a play i do think Graham could see more playing time but Schroder has earned the right to start after his performance against UNLV


  177. Jonj:

    175 quit blaming the D. The offense needs to take the brunt of the blame. Offense can't go 3 and out with an average of 19 seconds a play. That's 1:20 the defense is off the field. How can thy adjust and cool off in that time span. And you can see te defense holds up when the offense starts clicking and provides that spark for the D.


  178. Jonj:

    The offense out up 0 points 2 of the 4 quarters! 1st qrt the d held and in te 3rd the offense have up on the D.


  179. Jonj:

    Gave up*


  180. Truman:

    Harris Ross de-committing and going to Oregon State instead. I hope it wasn't all the negativity he might have read or heard. Of course, 0-6 record does not help.


  181. gobows:

    harris ross, rb, pittsburgh, committed to oregon state. well, who doesnt like beaver...


  182. markazulu:

    @177 i agree the offense shouldnt go 3 and out so often and i also think they should slow it down on offense because i read we run our fast tempo offense faster than oregon but i do also believe our defense SHOULDNT be giving up as many big plays they are giving especially on 3rd down. The defense has played there hearts out and have come up with what 5 goal line stands which i think is phenomenal but i dont think its fair to criticize the offense and not acknowledge the progress but ignore the defense shortcomings.


  183. markazulu:

    Good luck to Harris Ross in the future would've loved to see him play at UH though


  184. Intoface:

    You need to score a td on an 85 years kick return.


  185. Derek:

    Who would you want to play for, Mike Riley or Norm Chow? Harris Ross, good luck to you.
    Also, can't knock the PAC 12. If Ross gets an offer from the Ducks he should change to Oregon.


  186. Jonj:

    Is tsai filtering me out??


  187. gobows:

    49ers team doctor and stanford professor/orthopedic surgeon passed away tuesday at home.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/49ers-doctor-stanford-professor-daniel-045504152--nfl.html


  188. Jonj:

    Nvm... My work comp can't post anymore and I can only post from my phone


  189. gobows:

    oregon state will be coming to aloha sep 6th. hawaii opens again with back to back pac teams (uw opens aug 30). then perennial power house northern iowa visits on sep 13. warriors go to boulder sep 20.


  190. jeezy33:

    185. Pretty sure I called the Oregon St move a couple weeks ago or so... Typical fit for OSU type RBS


  191. Dino:

    that short hop pass from brennan to rivers on the final play of the oregon state game in 2006 still hurts, but the next game in the hawaii bowl blowout against arizona state was the start of good things to come.


  192. Konoman1:

    Coaches all have agents that represent them...I highly doubt they would speak to someone they didn't know about a job offer... It's the same with players after they graduate.. One of my relatives playing pro ball has an agent that the teams contact.. And I know for a fact that the deadspin thing is no true!


  193. Konoman1:

    And Marleys Dad... It still amazes me that people can't figure out why ASU backed down from JJ!!!


  194. el burro sabio:

    The players don't want to win next season or in two seasons, they want to win now. The players who give the team the best chance to win should play now, period. To do otherwise is insulting to the current team.


  195. Moocher:

    offense scores 50
    defense allows 51...we lose by 1.

    where's the bigger problem? offense and a few 3 and outs... or defense allowing 3rd down conversions to keep opponents drives alive and score.

    this is classic how some people completely see only one side of the coin.

    and we hear things like SS his balls are bad good thing we got good receivers. hehe another classic. why do you think we have 6 foot plus receivers? so the QB can put it up and they go get it. the balls don't have to be as accurate. and by the way i've seen a lot of balls from SS drop right into the arms of receivers. crazy arguments offered here.

    it is soooooo obvious that there are team players and team haters.

    SS is not perfect, none of our qbs are. but the man has brought leadership and chemistry and this is something that can be seen in the way the men are playing now. take away SS and the fragile growing team chemistry gets zapped. first people say the offense doesnt score...then when it does score people will still look to find something wrong with SS. no need look to hard, yes he got some things that need to get better...but look beyond the shortcomings and he also has things that are making the team better here and now.


  196. 196.:

    196.


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    197.


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    198.


  199. markazulu:

    Perfect comment moocher!

    against UNLV
    HAW Passing CMP ATT YDS YPA TD INT
    Sean Schroeder 24 46 325 7.1 4 0

    It's a team game both offense and defense had positives and negatives
    just gotta keep working they'll get there


  200. 2 Cents:

    2 Cents


  201. d1shima:

    Great Morning All!

    Rest for the weary...sounds good.