Wynn-Win situation

December 12th, 2013
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Calculus is hard.

Figuring out why there's so much construction is a brain-teaser.

But filling the vacancy on offense on the UH coaching staff? Not so difficult.

Sure, there could be a chinstrap-dropping candidate when all of the applications have been received. But it would be logical — and economically feasible — to promote Jordan Wynn from graduate assistant in charge of quarterbacks to quarterback coach.

Marketing folks would prefer a "name" to boost — or, at the least, maintain — ticket sales. Translation: "Give me an assurance the Rainbow Warriors will score a lot of points, dammit!"

But what UH needs is what it already has: A guy with an understanding of offenses, a good working relationship with the staff, and the aptitude to serve as a quarterback's mentor and psychologist. Wynn was that guy this past season. He's part Phil Simms, part Dr. Phil.

Although the opening is for a slot previously filled by offensive coordinators, UH isn't seeking an offensive coordinator. That role, whether in name or not, belongs to Norm Chow. Chow wasn't hired because of a cheerful personality; he was hired because of his offensive resume. What Chow needs is a co-author for each week's game plan, a day-to-day guide for the quarterbacks, and a spotter from the coaches' booth. Tommy Lee served that role before retiring after the 2012 season. Aaron Price, who was fired two days before the start of training camp, would have had that role. Wynn filled that role this year, while also handling most of the play-calling in the second half of the season. This year, UH is 19th nationally in passing, averaging 301.4 yards per game. That's third in the Mountain West Conference, which isn't bad, considering No. 1 Fresno State and No. 6 San Jose State have quarterbacks who will be earning NFL checks next year. UH is 62nd in total offense, averaging 416 yards per game. (UH was 117th in 2012, averaging 297.4 yards).

In these austere times, Wynn makes the most sense.

223 Responses to “Wynn-Win situation”

  1. RB:

    wow first time being uno LOL I wonder if any of these guy will transfer here to UH.
    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10125407/five-players-transfer-florida-gators


  2. boya_jr:

    Good morning!


  3. Shoko:

    Considering Wynn's increasing experience, promotion to QB coach would be the natural progression. Good move in my book.


  4. Shoko:

    Still think we need a offensive coordinator that can help Wynn in the booth and help him grow.


  5. Numba 1 Son:

    Top Five. Agreed


  6. Shoko:

    And, a good morning to all you folks!


  7. Fan:

    Agree Stephen....and use the funds available to attract the best DC we can get


  8. (Jesse)James:

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!!

    Congrats to Coach Wynn...

    Now, on to getting a DC.


  9. Luki:

    Can't afford an established guy who will probably take a pay cut coming here. Bright, up and comer, who is looking to establish himself and put his philosophies to the test...


  10. turfwar:

    Congrats to Jordan and here's hoping it's the start of a long and illusterous career. And if he does in fact turn out to be something special that he never forgets where he got his start. Some things are meant to be. Two years ago he retires because of injury as a junior and now it's looking like he has a job at one of only 120 or so D-1 schools.


  11. sofaking_blk:

    What viable DC is willing to come to UH knowing full well that next year could be a "one & done" year.


  12. postmanke:

    If you're hired for your offense resume and you're 62nd and 117th. I'd have lots sleepless nights. Heck a defensive coach can cracked the top 20.


  13. Marleysdad:

    11, just becuase it could be, does not mean it will be. Every year could be a coaches last year.

    Congrads to Wynn. Now go coach 'um up!


  14. sofaking_blk:

    So JW will be the new QBs coach, congrats to him. But he still needs a QB, don't know much about Tuileta but as for IW, TG and JH, unless they make some MAJOR improvements during the offseason then it's gonna be another long season.


  15. BigWave96744:

    Interesting.....
    Jordan Wynn:
    2011: 1 full year under Norm Chow at Utah, started 4 games before career was cut short.
    2012: retires from Utah after 2 games and joins the Hawaii staff in mid Nov
    2013: GA in charge of QB's
    Career with NC: 26 months, 6 games, 6 starts

    Taylor Graham:
    2012: 1 full year under Norm Chow, redshirted and was either in the booth or on the field with headsets all season
    2013: Played in 6 games (starting 3)
    Career with NC: 24 months, 6 games, 3 start


  16. sofaking_blk:

    #13
    Understood but if you are a DC already in a nice job, are you willing to uproot your family and come to UH, that's a big gamble.


  17. Marleysdad:

    I'd say a jump from 117th to 62nd is not too bad of an improvement in one year. The defense had a bigger one year drop.

    I'd like to assume the improvement will continue in to year 3. We shall see....


  18. BigWave96744:

    Oh actually Jordan Technically has 25.5 months with NC since he came in mid Nov.


  19. cocobean:

    Chow and Wynn. Master Po and Grasshopper.

    Always said Chow sees Wynn as the bearer of his legacy. Bet it's in Chow's will that Wynn inherit all of his play books.

    I think it's a good hire. They've shown to be a productive pair in the 2nd half of the season.


  20. sofaking_blk:

    The only thing that really makes sense is "Coach in Waiting". Bring in Brian Norwood to take over when Chow leave or you can go the cheap route and name Demo the DC.


  21. Marleysdad:

    16, that is a big risk if you are well established or already in a nice job. But I'm not sure UH can target that type of DC, unless they try to hit a homerun with the DC hire. At this point, that's exactly what I think they should do.

    Go big, restore some credibility. Swing for the fence!


  22. papajoe2:

    So, in reality, he will have the same job as last year. I would have liked for Chow to hire somebody with more experience. I thought JW should move on to other programs to broaden his experience. I mean, 6 times up the middle in overtime? JW may turn out to be a great coach in the future, but being under only 1 coach will NOT get him more experience of different situations with a different set of plays.


  23. Pete Jek:

    Eh. I guess Chow has no choice but this. I hope he hires a DC more capable of scheming against mobile QB's & spread attacks prevalent in the MWC. He said from the start that he wanted an aggressive, blitz-happy defense that puts pressure on opposing QB's, so i'm curious to see what adjustments they make, if any, on the defensive end next season.


  24. Slugger:

    Good morning, gang! Hiyah, boya_jr!

    Congrats to Jordan Wynn! Keep it going.


  25. Whats up:

    Now if your a coach that doesn't have a job for next season and Hawaii offered you a DC job. You bet your okole many coaches will pack up and come to Hawaii because that's the life of a coach. One year you could be coaching college or NFL in the East coast and the next year you could be coaching in the NFL or College in the West Coast. It come with the career choice these coaches made. So it comes down to how much money has to offer and who can Hawaii get for the money it has to offer.


  26. jeezy33:

    It's one thing to not like Norm Chow as a coach.... I'll even say he has under performed as a HC...

    But it's kind of funny sometimes hearing fans criticize the offense with comments like, "this pro style offense is outdated." I don't think Hawaii used a pro set ever since SS took over as a starter. Hawaii passed the ball quite often in shotgun sets.

    I don't know how much say Wynn had in spreading things out a little more and using Shotgun, but I like the move a lot if we keep him at QB coach.... Watching this years offense was not even close to as depressing as Norms 1st year.... It was probably a lot better than Macks final year too.


  27. jeezy33:

    The 1 positive about Defensive coach coming to Hawaii to take the DC job is knowing it might be only 1 year, you can go down swinging for the fences, doing things you might have never tried before at a previous school. No reason to go conservative... And if it works, you can really put yourself on the map....


  28. jonj:

    The only way this can work is if chow Hires a coach to game manage! becuz chows the O coordinator and is a struggling one at that. We need someone to be Assistant Head coach in charge of timeouts, coaching up players, etc.


  29. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    Sure, whatever.

    If this means we can add another 100K to the DC salary then fine. In these tough economic times, we have to choose between what coaches to spend our money on. It's more important to spend it on a DC.


  30. Marleysdad:

    I always laugh at the run 4 times/6 times statements. Didn't SDSU run the same exact play every down in OT too?

    You all seem to forget how much you all complained when JJ threw it 4 straight times when it was 1st & goal too.


  31. jeezy33:

    28. Chow doesn't call the plays during the game... Wynn does... The Iosefa TD pass was Wynn's call.


  32. jeezy33:

    And the reason why I'm willing to give the offense another year is strictly because the offense progressed when Wynn got more involved...


  33. jeezy33:

    My biggest worry is who recruits on offense??? I have a hard time believing Wynn has deep connections at a young age... Chow can't do all the recruiting himself because he's a HC. I know Naeole will bring in the O linemen...


  34. WWF:

    Offensive play calling improved in the second half of this past season. Maybe Coach Chow can focus on becoming a better HC now and mentor Jordan into the next OC.


  35. Maile Tsai-Russ:

    #29: Best comment so far today. I'm not going to drink the JW Kool-Aid just yet (see #15 analysis) but if it means having more $$$ to spend on a DC, then that would be great (although I wish Chow would get an OC 'cause I think he's got too much on his plate already).


  36. jonj:

    your saying when the offense started clicking (navy) that Jordan wynn took over?? those OT plays was Jordan call. IDK how your getting your info. but that seems like a very unlikely scenario.

    29 IWWTHM I doesn't mean we have another $100k for a DC unless this DC fills the LB coach aswell. Wynn is basically taking majority of the OC pay of 125k im guessing in the 80-90k range. Also we still missing a WR coach.


  37. jonj:

    Played Flag football in vegas with a bunch of Jordans wynns ex-teammates. They say his Little brother is gonna be better and hes a senior this year.


  38. jonj:

    connor wynn 6'2" 190
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLUublPraKY


  39. jeezy33:

    36. Yes I am saying that. Norm and Jordan game plan throughout the week so both have an idea of what plays are going to be called through the game. During the game, Jordan Wynn makes the calls. I am pretty sure ST can confirm this...


  40. WWF:

    Daronte Jones's past performance as DC:

    From 2005-09, Jones was assistant head coach and defensive coordinator at Bowie State University in Maryland. In addition to coordinating the Bulldogs’ defense, Jones also served as the pro liaison. At Bowie State, Jones’ defense was known as an aggressive, attacking unit that ranked No. 1 in Division II in total defense in 2009, allowing only 217.7 yards per game. They also ranked No. 2 nationally in rushing defense (56.5 yards per game) and ninth in pass-efficiency defense. Two Bulldogs were named first team All-CIAA and two more were named to the second unit.

    During his tenure, BSU’s defense ranked in the Top 5 nationally in five different statistical categories (total defense, scoring defense, pass-efficiency defense, sacks and rushing defense, including third or higher in total defense). Under Jones’ watch, eight defensive players were named All-CIAA, three were named All-CIAA Rookie Class, and one was named D2football.com All-American.


  41. iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    jonj,

    So the promotion means that Wynn has put a hold to his graduate degree? I thought he was being given the title of QB coach while still a grad student. Titles didn't appear to mean anything last year, why should it mean something next year.

    If Chow isn't going to loosen his grip of the offense to a true OC, we might as well name Wynn OC at a reduced salary, and get some publicity nationwide as the program with the youngest OC in the country. Whatever money we save can be used towards a DC.

    Does Vegas have any odds on who our next DC will be? =P


  42. Rite80:

    30

    That wasn't the point. Wyoming's defense stacked the box on second, third and fourth downs. Despite that Jordan still tried to run through a brick wall. An experienced coach would have called a time out prior to the snap on fourth down after the defense was setup to stop the play you called to maybe change the 4th down play. Instead Chow called a timeout immediately after the change of possession timeout. Game mismanagement at its worse.


  43. jeezy33:

    42. Stacked box or not, I'll take Iosefa 8 out of 10 times to gain 1 yard against that run defense...


  44. jonj:

    42 rite80

    Right on man! they tried to run through a brick wall in the pistol formation iosefa 7 yds deep and a LB blitzing off the edge. By the time iosefa got the ball the LB was already in his face. Horrible play call


  45. jonj:

    jeezy your right I would take it 10 out of 10. but the fact is they should have done a play action on 2nd or 3rd down to keep the D honest


  46. Drew:

    I don't know if the offensive uptick in the second half of the season can be purely attributed to a different play caller. One big reason for more offensive production, was that Iosefa returned from injury for the last few games. He opened up the passing game because there was a bigger running threat. Iosefa got his number called many times and had a high workload. Not exactly creative play calling. For next season, I don't know if Iosefa's body can handle that workload for every single game. If you run him that much over the course of a season, you make him vulnerable to injury. Don't over work your work horse.


  47. jeezy33:

    It's too easy to make calls in hindsight. We're only talking about it because the play didn't work.... I'm sure if the fade call to Gant to send it into over time didn't work, we probably would be 2nd guessing that call too....

    There are a lot of calls throughout the year that I disagree with more than that drive...

    1. I would have onside kicked against CSU.
    2. I would have ran the ball with 3 minutes to go against Fresno because they were giving up the run basically up the middle and with clock stopping on 1st downs, I would have taken it.


  48. jeezy33:

    46. Iosefa was a huge boost. But I also think the O line blocked a lot better too... In 2012, Iosefa averaged under 4 yards per carry. In 2013, every Hawaii RB averaged over 4 yards per carry...

    When Wynn started calling plays, Hawaii started using the fullback screen effectively too that got Landkilde some easy 7-9 yard gains...


  49. papajoe2:

    #30~but SDSU had only 2 maybe 3 runs for a touchdown. What would they have done if they had 6 plays? Would they have run up the middle on all 6? That we would never know because they were so successful. If we did some play action passes or something else maybe they would still be playing. After all, Coach Chow said publicly that "in OT you gotta run the ball." I think SDSU, doing their homework, would have picked up his comments and prepared for it. Seems like the R Warriors have only a limited running plays too.


  50. jonj:

    jeezy I think the coaches learner there lesson in the Army game. the ran on first and 2nd was a play action that was an easy pass. Idk maybe that 4 runs up the gut was a setup for the army game.


  51. Marleysdad:

    Jeezy, you're right on that fade call. If it doesn't work, everyone would say we should have run Joey.

    Hindsight, always 20/20.......always.


  52. jeezy33:

    50. They definitely adjusted.... The iosefa pass was a 4th down call which was pretty ballsy to me but it worked... But like I said, it's easier to see things in hindsight... And at least Wynn made an adjustment....

    I just think he is a promising young coach who learns from his mistakes and helped SS and the offense improve over the season.... 1st half of season, we couldn't convert 3rd downs. 2nd half, we improved a lot on 3rd down. I would hate to see him go and turn out to be a real intelligent coach for someone other team.


  53. jonj:

    Cant find any stats on Connor wynn except they ranked #10 in California with a 11-1 record


  54. Marleysdad:

    49, it was 3 plays. If we score on the 6th run does anyone still complain?

    But we didn't so I understand. There's that darn hindsight thing again.

    What if maybe, just maybe the D makes a stop? That's usually how OT games are won.


  55. turfwar:

    Thanks for the link jonj. Kid looks pretty accurate and according to this scout profile no offers yet. http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=6209417 I've watched Chow work with local QBs at clinics and he will get this kid to come over the top with a higher release point which is a difficult adjustment for some but if he can maintain his accuracy could be productive at the next level.


  56. jonj:

    Marleysdad

    What if the D tried to hard to make a turnover and over aggressively put themselves out of position. becuz the offense came out empty handed in OT. all the other team had to do was score a FG


  57. jonj:

    55 turf war heres a video of him talking recruiting. Seems like hes trying to keep everything on the low. But does say he went unofficially to UNLV to watch the Hawaii game.
    http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1351346.html


  58. papajoe2:

    While helping out a high school here in Hawaii, we had a kicker who, on onside kicks, would kick the ball end over end, with 2 small bounces then the 3rd would pop up high in the air. Our front guys were assigned to block the receiving team and the second line of players would go after the ball. I cannot remember how many times we did it, maybe only 2 or 3, but I remember that we recovered at least 1 or maybe 2, but had 1 eventually roll out of bounds as no one recovered it. He did it consistently in practice so it wasn't just luck. Hope our kickers are practicing their onside kicks too, not just field goals or punting. If it is perfected, then maybe, with the confidence of the coaches, we could use it in the game.


  59. Boolakanaka:

    Old school joke of an ex you dislike: her favorite sport is jumping to conclusions. Much of what we speak about on this board, as well as the actions of the current football regime is based on our individual conclusions or the "rationality of our intuitions".

    Now, jumping to conclusions is only efficient if the conclusions are likely to be correct AND the costs of an occasional mistakes, acceptable, and if the jump saves time and effort. Jumping to conclusions is highly risky, when the situation is unfamiliar e.g perhaps as a 1st time D1 HC, and the stakes are high, e.g. Flagship athletic program at a state university, and there is no time to collect additional information. These are the circumstances in which intuitive systems are probable, which maybe prevented by a deliberative intervention.(tsaikos and former players)

    What's all the goobdey gook mean?? From my vantage, Chow has made some rather large assumptions and conclusions about his staff, and is rather unchartered ground, given that this is his first go-round as a HC.


  60. jeezy33:

    57. So it could be a Wynn, Wynn, win situation possible


  61. Former UH Athlete:

    Promoting Wynn to QB coach is the most logical step. I thought Wynn had another year at GA, but I guess not.

    Agree with 7... Don't hire an OC and reallocate those funds to hire a better DC. With Wynn now a full time position coach, that'll help Chow with offense enough to the point where I don't think an OC is necessary since another offensive GA will likely be brought on to fill Wynn's vacancy.

    RE: DC vacancy... I wonder if UH should seek out a good defensive minded FCS head coach. If UH pools together the OC+DC money, then UH could probably offer the $250-$350k range. That's more than FCS head coaches make, so that makes a DC spot attractive to lower level coaches from a money standpoint. Plus, UH needs is a good X's and O's guy at DC.

    I think all of the successful lower level coaches are good with the X's & O's because the talent they work with is much less than FBS. I think the issue a lot of them have if they don't do well at the FBS HC jobs is on the recruiting side. At UH, the new DC wouldn't have immediate pressure to recruit as Demo, and Durante do the heavy lifting for defensive recruiting.


  62. papajoe2:

    Hindsight? Of course. But if you already complaining about running up the middle after the 4th time in a row (gains getting smaller and smaller each time) and see that the defense is stacking the box and do it 2 more times, hmmmm....., that's why it was hard to watch and easy to be critical of play calling when it doesn't work.


  63. sofaking_blk:

    For those who are interested, Babers did not get the EMU job.


  64. Rite80:

    54

    The defense did stop Wyoming. Wyoming won with a FG because Chow didn't score in OT.


  65. jeezy33:

    62. Here's some hindsight... IF we score a TD versus Wyoming, it still doesn't guarantee a win. And I could count way more smart play calls that lead to scores that game then bad ones. We put up over 50. We still needed the D to get more stops during the game.


  66. jeezy33:

    64. We lost that game because we gave up over 50 points... I don't see fans blaming Derek Carr for not converting every 3rd down against San Jose St. in losing that game.


  67. oldtimer808:

    Nothing wrong with an attacking defense providing our defender is in position to make a play. Our front line needs to be stout for our linebackers to make plays. Our blitzing was too predictable and left too many pukas in the secondary especially when playing man for man.


  68. Whats up:

    Jonj:

    You are so cynical about Chow and now Wynn it's ridiculous. Mack is gone, get over it already, and we all know Chow is coming back next season. Hawaii has GA's coaching WR and QB and if they want to give a title and save Hawaii some money then got for it. And those GA's are doing a good job, Under Chow guidance Wynn has spread out and open up the offense. Plus, Chris Gant, Kirkwood, Kemp, Haynes, Harding started off slow but the GA WR coaching did eventually get the WR producing.

    But you still have to run up the middle to keep the defense honest. I ask you why does Gus Malzan at Auburn runs the ball to the outside on sweeps, tosses over and over again, when the bread and butter is running up the middle in his offense. Because he had to spread the defense out and keep them from piling up the middle, keeping the defense honest. He knows that running over and over to the outside on sweeps may not work most of the time but it has to be done to keep the defense honest and guessing. Anybody, with half a brain can pick one bad play here and there, but apparently you need to educated on why Hawaii like many other schools run plays over and over (like running up the middle or fly sweeps outside for Auburn) that seem not to work often. Your Welcome.


  69. jonj:

    60 jeezy depends on how confident JW is with Chow and the whole coaching staff. cuz if they do bad again next season they all looking for jobs.


  70. jeezy33:

    68. I think it's ok to be cynical towards Chow... Not Wynn though... As far as team being undisciplined with penalties, half time adjustments with awful 3rd quarters, and leading his team, he's done pretty bad....


  71. oldtimer808:

    4th down in overtime you kick the field goal instead of giving the game to Wyoming without even trying to give the defense a chance. Even if the defense could have given upa touchdown at least we would have gone down trying. I never agree when someone assumes anything. Isn't that what Coach Chow did..he assumed that if he did not score a td than Wyoming would have any way. Too me that is being assumptive. If we kicked a fg than Wyoming would have had to go for a td to win or fg to send it back into overtime.


  72. jeezy33:

    69. What makes me the most upset about Chow is he didn't sign a QB in year 1 and year 2...Zwahlen signing gets fans excited if you can last long enough to coach him... But we should have been grooming a freshman or have a JC kid ready to go for next season. We are pretty much all in with Woolsey or Tuileta(true freshman need time), and that's scary..


  73. Shoko:

    In hindsight, I thought a fake FG would have worked in getting that one yard. Don't think Wyoming would have expected it.


  74. jonj:

    68 u just contradicted yourself! notice how u talk about sweeps to keep the D honest?!?! yes that's exactly what I was talking about. So we agree!

    Stop trying to make me look like the idiot! becuz u my friend are turning out to be it!
    Yes I don't like Chow and when we have another horrible Record next season you shall also not like chow!


  75. WWF:

    66 From another perspective, you win games by scoring 1 point more than the other team.


  76. jeezy33:

    71. FGs aren't 100% with Tyler Hadden if you followed the season.

    Hadden was 2-4 on kicks of 20-29 yards... 50%... Iosefa probably has a 80% chance of gaining 1 yard... I'm not math genius but I'm taking the chance of gaining 1 yard. Factor in that Wyoming probably scores a TD the way the game was playing out and we made a no brainer call to go for it..


  77. postmanke:

    Why does Aubrun run the outside? Greg Robinson. The most athletic OT ever.


  78. oldtimer808:

    Well can't dwell on pass games but look forward that our student/athletes will be special next season. After reading some of the comments on this blog, Coach Chow maybe contemplating promoting coaches from within to DC.


  79. Bryson:

    I dont mind Wynn being moved up to QB Coach as long as that can free up more money to hire a well versed And proven D-Co


  80. jonj:

    72. Im with you on that one! Chow put all his eggs in one basket with Graham. And letting go Graves was his biggest mistake. IK your not a Graves fan for whatever reason but the kid could ball! And you cant say he was a bust when like someone else said he was never given a chance.


  81. Shoko:

    What's interesting about Connor Wynn's situation is that he doesn't have any offers yet. Read some evaluation that he has a weird throwing motion and doesn't exactly have a strong arm.


  82. papajoe2:

    #68 but 6 times in a row without a fake or anything. I don't think we ran a sweep since Coach Chow has been here. Say when you run a sweep to the left, you eliminate 1/3 of the defense on the right until after the line of scrimmage. So now it may be 7 O players vs 6 D players or similar, depends on how the play is designed by the coaches. Sweep left, sweep right, pass on 1st down, then a run up the middle or even more passes. What I'm trying to say is we need to be unpredictable.


  83. sofaking_blk:

    #72
    I just said that, IW, TG & JH is gonna have to step it up BIGTIME. Chow just can't annoit one of them the starter next year, one of them is gonna have to earn it.


  84. jeezy33:

    80. I wasn't calling him a bust. I called Alo a bust. I was just saying Rolo never struck it big with any of his QB recruits. Graves was a our best option. I don't think he would have turned out into a all conference type QB. I still think Fajardo is better. But we definitely should have orchestrated a offense to suit his mobility last year.


  85. A-House:

    I must have missed something here

    ST creates a possible scenario or Wynn becoming the new QB coach and now posters are congratulating JW for being promoted

    Has Chow officially announced that JW is his new QB coach?

    see what happens when I go into the big boss office and get chewed on!


  86. jonj:

    Idk I would put Fajardo and DG as almost equal. Remember Fajardo was everyones #2. The thing that helped Fajardo was that he ran out of the pistol and basically every play is a play action play (before Rolo atleast) And since hes been starting since his freshmen year he has a lot of PT. Like I said before 2012 was supposed to be a good season for DG under Rolo and this year was supposed to be the Special season with all his WRs and Rb returning.


  87. jeezy33:

    Fajardo is VERY accurate though.... been completing passes at 67% rate as a freshman..

    I expect him to be drafted next year.....


  88. A-House:

    read the article on AC Carter in the sports page

    something to keep in mind should Gib Arnold decide to leave - contact AC for the HC job!


  89. Rite80:

    66

    That is incoherent reasoning. At the time the score was tied. No coach at that point is going to say to them-self, gee I'm going for it on fourth down because if I fail jeezy33 will blame the defense. Using that logic the defense lost every game. You don't end up with a single win against a horrible team for an entire season unless both the offense and defensive units need dramatic improvement. If Kaumeyer was the head coach he would be justified in firing Norm Chow for putting out a substandard offense. While it won't happen we need a competent OC and DC now.


  90. Shoko:

    Fajardo redshirted his freshman year during Kaepernicks last year.


  91. jeezy33:

    So why did San Jose St go for it in over time versus Navy then?? They scored a TD.... Still loss...

    Again you don't blame losses for 1 specific play... Losses are because things didn't get done throughout the game..


  92. jeezy33:

    I have more faith in Iosefa gaining 1 YARD versus Tyler Hadden making a FG... sorry!!!


  93. jonj:

    Majority of Fajardos passes were screens and short high percentage passes as a freshmen and as his years went on they created a great plan for Fajardo. Not saying hes shitty but they worked the system right for him! Much like how Rolo created a great game plan for the 3rd string frosh QB to beat us.

    Im not sure about the Whole draft thing could be a late rounder but most likely a undrafted free agent


  94. jeezy33:

    93. I think every OC created a game plan to torch Hawaii this year.....


  95. jonj:

    89 rite80 Preach on! lol... offense most definitely was sub-standard and if roles were reversed Chow would be looking for a job.


  96. jonj:

    how many with a 3rd string QB and RB?? and that game was weird! why is it that SS had pretty good time to throw and step up in the pocket. But when Higgins goes in they make the Frosh RB block the best DE only to give Higgins a run for his money??


  97. jeezy33:

    96. Army offense is pathetic and their 2nd string QB torched us.... I think Utah St QB was 3rd string and a young kid too.. I guess we will never know because most QBs were healthy....But my money has it that we would have gotten beaten by most back ups.


  98. OC Warrior:

    One thing is certain, SS made drastic improvements this year, especially the last four games. His decisions and the time to make a decision were much improved. He didn't look that good at the beginning of the year. It also helped to have Iosefa back and the OL playing better but he looked like a different player by seasons end. His play against Wyoming was fantastic! Again, he probably would not be the starting QB for most D1 teams so props to the QB coach.


  99. Marleysdad:

    jonj, quite possible in the Wyoming game, but not the SDSU game, they scored first.

    But we are kinda arguing a moot point.


  100. RedZone:

    The best way to protect a lead is to keep your defense off of the field. Didn't happen.


  101. jonj:

    Armys offense was #1 in rushing at the time. we Did get torched on those Pass plays. And if you say Armys offense was pathetic they were only 500yds less than us in total offense and played better competition!


  102. OC Warrior:

    94 Jeezy - sad but so true....


  103. jonj:

    100 redzone AMEN!! glad some people kind of get it


  104. hossana:

    NEXT YEAR WE'RE RETURNING TO THE SUGAR BOWL........BOOK YOUR TICKETS NOW!!! go to Starbucks and empty out the sugar from all their bowls........sweet bird of youth!!!


  105. jonj:

    does SS have a brother?? kameron Schoeder 6'5" 270 OL committed to Duke http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kameron-Schroeder-136831


  106. RedZone:

    What bothers me most about our coaching staff is if something happens to Norm then what? It is not like other staffs that have associate head coaches or coaches who can take over if something happens. Denver was lucky to have Del Rio when Fox went down for a while. We need someone on the staff with enough experience to do so.


  107. Shoko:

    Army's rushing is always top ten in rushing due to the system (triple option). Just like Navy, Air Force (except for this year) and Georgian Tech who all run the same option.


  108. jeezy33:

    Army also 86th in country in scoring and last in passing.. Which means 1 dimensional.... Stack the box and eat up the run... 4th and 8 with 4 minutes to go. Army has to pass.... whole stadium knows it... I had no faith in our D to get a stop and Army converts a HUGE play on a pass....

    Army did NOT play a better schedule.....

    throw Morgan St., Eastern Michigan, Louisiana Tech, Air Force on our schedule and we might have 4-5 wins....


  109. jeezy33:

    107. I know... Glad some people understand that...


  110. Shoko:

    Thought this was interesting. It reports what other member schools pay their assistants and where they are ranked in conference. Don't know why Hawaii is not reported.

    1. Boise State: $2,436,390
    2. Colorado State: $1,520,000
    3. Air Force: $1,472,500
    4. San Diego State: $1,467,020
    5. Fresno State: $1,373,404
    6. New Mexico: $1,327,000
    7. Nevada: $1,127,282
    8. UNLV: $1,053,345
    9. Utah State: $1,017,010
    10. San Jose State: $998,856
    11. Wyoming: $925,044
    12. Hawaii: Not available


  111. JJAY:

    No one in their sane mind would want to work for Chow at this point, defacto coach,stubborn, thinks he knows it all , the only ones that he can get to coach here are grad assistants and an assistant with one or two years experience. Chow should have been let go this season but do to the poor decisions and tight pockets of the influential millionaires here in town, we are left to mediocrity , there are a lot of millionaires here per capita, but not one of them wants to help out UH. Larry Ellision, Pierre Omidyear, where are you, how about helping the only state university here. Punahou grads , those of you who backed Chow, should know by now this was a major mistake brought on by MRC Failure and Rockne no Brains Freitas. This island has people with lots of bucks but no foresight and no vision. UH Athletics= All Pau


  112. jeezy33:

    100.... So explain to me how you would have kept Wyoming offense off the field..... Thanks


  113. Whats up:

    83:

    That I agree with, Chow better not just put Taylor Graham or Ikaika Woosley as starting QB just because. Hopefully Jordan Wynn can help pick who the starting QB will be. I'm not as worried about the offense play calling as some folks are, Wynn has done a good job opening up the offense and spreading things out under Chow guidance. The QB is the number #1 concern for me. Jeezy is right that a JC QB or hopefully one the QB's step it up and play like Sean Schroder this season or better.

    My big concerns for Hawaii Football 2014 are:

    #1 Winning some friggin games, Hawaii Bowl anyone?
    #2 Who is going to be the starting QB and how that works out?
    #3 Whoever going to be the next defensive coordinator better turn the defense around? All the coaches (old and the incoming) know is game time next season for sure.
    #4 Is the O-line and D-line play going to improve? We all know games are won and lost in the trenches.
    #5 And recruiting, as always?


  114. Derek:

    Winning football has always been a complimentary game. It's a team game. Offense, defense, and special teams. If an offense makes a mistake, the defense has to stop the other guys. When the defense stop the other guy, the offense needs to put points on the board. Special teams, don't screw things up or help the team by getting better field position, making a stop, or creating a turnover, or better yet, score. The problem with our team is that the offense and defense didn't help each other a lot of times. The offense had too many 3 and outs. The defense gave up a bunch of big plays, many on 3rd downs to keep our offense on the sideline. Fortunately, our special teams were for the most part very good, except on some of the makeable field goal tries. That hurt. So whether we are in a shootout at 56-59, OT 21-28, OT 37-39, close call 37-42, losing to a 3rd string QB at Nevada, etc. etc. etc. somebody on our team needed to make a big play to help us win be it a key tackle, a fumble, a interception, a deflection, a field goal, TD, a third down conversion, whatever. Our team just did not find a way to win games, period. A lot of that is coaching. As Gus Malzahn said over and over again to reporters, winning is a mindset.
    Unfortunately, our team's mindset was very fragile. We didn't think we could win, really. Don't get me wrong, our team tried and they didn't quit, but they just didn't make the winning plays when it came down to it in crunch time. And that's the bottom line. Winning and losing is a fine line. All parts of the team has to do it's part to play winning football.


  115. Whats up:

    110.

    Since the coaches are State of Hawaii employees the exact amount each is getting paid doesn't have to announced, unless the individual wants to tell it or something like that from my understanding? The State usually list a price range for each position but not exact amounts.

    But I think Hawaii is probably 11 or 12(last in pay for its assistant coaches.


  116. jonj:

    Jeezy please we would have lost to Louisiana Tech! Army also played ball state, standford, wakeforest, boston college, western Kentucky and soon to be Navy.


  117. jonj:

    114 Derek well put! all comes down to Coaching


  118. Shoko:

    I think the best way to keep your defense off the field is to have a strong run game where you can eat clock and sustain drives on offense. But if you're playing from behind and faced with a time constraint, good clock management and a fierce passing attack helps. If you are a three-and-out offense, you might be screwed regardless of what you're faced with.


  119. Jeezy33:

    Jonj, you obviously haven't watched la tech play this year ... And stop trying to be delusional to convince anyone that army played a harder schedule


  120. Jeezy33:

    You measure a schedule as a whole.., USC , Oregon st, Fresno at, and Utah st is harder than u named and we didn't face the bottom feeders army faced


  121. Shoko:

    115. The staffing salaries had been posted in years past by the USA coaching salary date base. I'm sure its not privileged information. I'm sure it falls under the Freedom of Information Act. I'm sure Ferd could get the info if he requested it.


  122. jonj:

    Standford over fresno, Ball state over Utah state, Boston college lose to USC, Western Kentucky = OSU, Wakeforest over CSU, Navy = Navy. OK lets just say there schedule equals ours. Except they got a patty cake team here and there and so did we only thing is they could win some games.


  123. Shoko:

    According the Sagarins, Hawaii schedule strength ranked 66th to Army's 118.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2013/team/


  124. Inyoface:

    I'm not on the "Fire Chow" wagon but if he doesn't get at least 6 wins next season I'll be on the wagon for the first time.


  125. Jeezy33:

    Jonj, you're so stubborn that you would argue the world is round if you had to and wouldn't let go even if proven wrong.

    Hawaii schedule rated 66. Army 118 by sagarin..

    But I guess wel have to go with your facts and measure the too heavy part of it..


  126. jonj:

    We had a easy Nevada, Army, UNLV I don't care what people say they still not a good team. We had an Easy USC and OSU who lost to FCS east washington


  127. Jeezy33:

    Thanks for justifying ...

    Now tell me how the sky is green


  128. Andrew:

    124.

    I think Ben Jay probably told Chow next year is bowl game or bust


  129. jonj:

    USC was in shambles when we played them! they scored 6 pts the next week vs WSU.


  130. Jeezy33:

    123. Shoko, it don't matter... U can't convince a stubborn dude who thinks he knows it all even with facts..,


  131. Jeezy33:

    140. So what !!! We aren't beating USC whether we played them with all started missing .. You're trying to prove irrelevant points just so you can be right and find ways to say chow sucks


  132. Shoko:

    Well, I'm not here to get into an argument. Just here to provide information that may or not be useful in the debate. If the information is insufficient then I guess the debate continues...lol.


  133. Leahi2:

    Oh give Wynn a chance. He might be just what we needed on the O side of the ball. Tall Oak Trees from tiny acorns grow. Of course some oak trees need to be cut down but Chows not leaving so our bigger concern now should be the defense. Its a question like " who's going to be the DC"? So for now I will have to say "Go Rainbow Warriors!"


  134. jonj:

    whatever man... choose to listen to what computers say all day. they don't take into fact the team then and the team now. cuz USC rank 20. im sure that puts a big difference between 66 and 118. And Morgan State puts and even bigger difference on there schedule


  135. jonj:

    But then again we on our way up at 134.


  136. jeezy33:

    Yup. The same computers tell me that Michigan St, Louisville, Florida St., Virginia Tech, and Alabama are the top 5 defenses in the country.... With NMSU, Cal, Indiana having the worst... So Hawaii being 115 regardless of our schedule sounds about right for crappy defenses...


  137. Former UH Athlete:

    113... I think the QB situation will be sorted out in time. I'd be shocked if anybody has the upper hand going into spring practice. Just because you have to put a name on top of the depth chart, TG will likely be listed as #1, but his status as #1 is by no means a sure thing.

    It will be open competition in the spring. We'll see what Tulieta looks like in the fall. I don't think UH will identify the official starting QB until a couple weeks before Game 1 vs Washington. Just as long as it doesn't drag out like the USC situation did.


  138. Hon2255:

    TG has proven one thing. He is terrible. Doesn't see the field well , doesn't go thru progressions quick enough , slow afoot . Bad footwork and inaccurate . Whew that's enough.


  139. Marleysdad:

    I hope Tuileta enrolls early like BRS did.


  140. Buffoman:

    #136 Best to just give up. There is nothing anyone can say to change his mind. Its set so why argue, just move to another topic. Something that may elicit thoughts from others.


  141. Bored:

    Jonj......do you not have anything else to do?


  142. Makai:

    When it comes down to it not having a talented/capable QB can cause a lot of problems. Look what it has done to Mack Brown and the Texas program the last couple of years. They have been watching Texas A&M and Baylor have more success.


  143. Whats up:

    Wait Jeezy?

    Is independent thinker really jonj? Or is jonj really independent thinker? Hmmm...


  144. Marleysdad:

    St. Louis just fired Matt Wright.


  145. Marleysdad:

    Cal Lee going back?


  146. Dan-O:

    144.....whoa! Something must have happened, fired after just ONE year?


  147. jonj:

    lol... funny the guy (jeezy) everyone thought was hard head during the season saying chow is crap and all that is now calling me hard head. And now today I got posters saying the samething I was saying yesterday and no one arguing. too funny people. I bet if Tsai came out and said all of this all of you would be on board!

    And yes Jeezy the same Computers everyone has been hating on becuz they get the wrong people in the Championship game almost every year. the reason why Everyone wants a playoff!


  148. Great Idea:

    I think we should have a blog hall of fame and give medals to the greatest contributors. I nominate Steve, war, wasabi, independent thinker and Jonj. One major advantage of this group is that in these austere times we will only need one medal.


  149. 808WarriorFan:

    We need an OC not a GA...with either the new OC or DC being named the "Coach in Waiting"


  150. Shoko:

    Here's a story about the new MWC Digital Network after its first year. Hope Warrior games gets picked up by a major network. If not, Warrior fans might be forced to watch the game via internet stream, and we all know how that went this season.

    Top Ten Most Viewed Events: (number of viewers)
    1. UNLV-Fresno State football (82,112)
    2. Hawaii-Colorado State football (17,339)
    3. Hawaii-UNLV football (15,738)
    4. Wyoming football coach announcement (15,381)
    5. Hawaii-Wyoming football (13,340)
    6. Nevada-Colorado State football (10,155)
    7. San Jose State-UNLV football (9,743)
    8. Penn State-New Mexico men’s soccer (8,983)
    9. Utah State-New Mexico football (7,977)
    10. Eastern New Mexico-New Mexico basketball (7,018)

    http://blogs.rgj.com/chrismurray/2013/12/11/mountain-west-network-proving-to-be-a-game-changer-for-the-wolf-pack/


  151. jeezy33:

    148. Difference is you say jibberish with no facts behind your points besides your opinion.... I throw out the facts at you and you still stand behind your opinion that only you see....

    I stand by what I say about Chow. He works hard but I think he's in over his head as far as being a HC. The team lacks leadership and discipline. But I also give credit in areas where the team improved... I don't blame Chow for every single thing that goes on... He isn't involved much in the defense so I'm not going to rip him every time the D messes up. He trimmed the fat and made the appropriate move by getting rid of TK... It is his responsibility though to find a DC who can change things around....

    And yeah Jonj. the computers get it wrong every year.... That's why the SEC keeps winning titles....


  152. KapaaWarrior:

    Wynn is a "Yes Sir No Sir, 3 Bags Full!" guy. Who wants to come to Hawaii and be the DC when all the while knowing that you only have 1 year here and then your head coach who hired you will be fired! The only guy's that will come are guy's who are looking for experience!


  153. wasabi:

    106- bingo! Now Chow is indispensable. I change my mind...he is a genius....lol


  154. Marleysdad:

    Wasabi, please buy him out so that you can pick the next bestest coach.

    Please do it, please.


  155. wasabi:

    Here's What's Up....anyone with half a brain knows this Chow BS is going to bring Hawaii football into the ESPN Bottom 10 in 2014.
    Chow will again make his way up to Number 1 on the Hotseat. All you blind followers deserve what yOu get...Enjoy!


  156. wasabi:

    Marleysdad....i can't. ...but not gonna pretend this is going to turn out well...
    by showing you support this, you are letting those in power and with money know that mediocre to bad is okay.
    I'm not okay with it.


  157. Marleysdad:

    Doesn't matter how many people want him gone, he'll be back next season.

    Next season has yet to be played, no one knows what the outcome is yet.

    If the season is a failure again, can his ass.


  158. jonj:

    151 jeezy I pulled up all kinds of stats yesterday no one listened. Today you bring up one stat the sargin. and all of a sudden ur a stat god?? The sargin doesnt measure during the season performance it measure end of season performance and Orgeron Turned that team around!


  159. jonj:

    155 Wasabi speaks the truth. In fact last season we ended on a 2 game good note and this season we ended kinda on a 2 game good note. Looks the same to me!


  160. Marleysdad:

    So I should cancel my season tickets, my parking pass, my PPV subscription, & stop buying merchandise?

    I enjoy Saturday afternoons for more than just football, but that is what brings us there.

    If we all stop going, will it still be there when Chow is gone? Or will the entire athletic department cease to exist?


  161. mauiwarrior:

    jonj

    Go play more flag football with Jordan Wynn's ex-teammates in Vegas and one day maybe you can end up coaching at UH with all your wonderful football experience and knowledge that you have been sharing with us......


  162. NotNasti:

    139. Marleysdad: Tuileta will be playing h.s. volleyball in the spring, and thus cannot enroll early at UH.


  163. jonj:

    161 mauiwarrior lets hear something that you have to offer this board. Lets hear something substantial that you can offer this board to this discussion changed a different way! Me n jeezy basically agreed on everything except strength of schedule of army. And since Jeezy is hard head and I am hard head and we both are passionate Hawaii Fans we disagree on somethings.


  164. NotNasti:

    People who think boycotting UH football will bring about a coaching change are batty. The only thing that brings about a coaching change are wins and losses (moral and criminal indiscretions excluded). Those of you hoping for a change should buy a ticket and cheer for the other team. You can help the university AND lobby for a new coach at the same time.


  165. wasabi:

    106...have never once said boycott or don't buy season tickets. Only think it's okay to voice opinions about a coach. Because people don't want chow does not make them non supporters of UH football.


  166. Marleysdad:

    162, NotNasti, that all but rules him out as a possible starter then.

    And let me be clear to anyone that thinks otherwise, I am not a Chow supporter, nor am I a Chow hater.

    I am a Warrior fan. Nothing more, nothing less.


  167. Old Diver:

    164

    Read this. http://titletownnews.org/2013/09/11/attendance-will-convince-haden-to-fire-kiffin-not-chants/


  168. Old Diver:

    Hardcore fans like me aren't going to boycott the football games. The problem is there are not enough hardcore fans to sustain the program. That is not the fans fault, and after all you can't fire the fans.


  169. Derek:

    Waiting for the very good news. Supposedly on a silver platter!!!! whatever that means.
    Maybe Baker Mayfield transferring to UH from Texas Tech. That would be good news. And yes, he was a freshman walk-on so if he comes here he can play right away.

    Great expectations. You win 8 games, beat the sh*t out of Oklahoma and play for the Big 12 title, and it might not be enough to save Mack Brown's job!


  170. mauiwarrior:

    jojj

    I couldn't have anything to say about UH football or football that you obviously don't know already......I always appreciate jeezy33 post and I appreciate your passion for UH football(although maybe some support for the program along with your passion would be a little more appreciated).......Now go pull those flags and show your university what you're made of


  171. dannyp:

    169

    Heard he was going to UNT.


  172. ai-eee-soos:

    new coach from Utah ...

    Weber State (FCS): Utah tight end /special teams coordinator Jay Hill will be the new

    head coach at Weber State. Salt Lake Tribune broke the news. Hill had been on staff at

    Utah in various capacities since 2001.


  173. jonj:

    MauiWarrior I support our players, coaches (who are performing) and the university! I go to every game Football and basketball. I dont buy the "players suck" give chow more time to get his "horses". Chow hasnt shown he can handle D1 football as a head coach. Hes hurting our program more than anything. So if the blind supporters want to support a coach who could single handed lose our D1 athletics. then be my guest support him!


  174. gobows:

    New Boise State football coach Harsin's contract: 5 years, $6.5 million, $2 million buyout


  175. gobows:

    #155

    preseason top 5 garans, but georgia state owns the #1 spot.


  176. obachan:

    Passing stats-big deal; only reason why UH passing stats were inflated was because they couldn't run the ball for most of the season until Iosefa returned. Played do or die with the long ball.


  177. gobows:

    @JeremyMauss just twitted:

    "Wynn-Win situation" http://feedly.com/k/1cr5Ux5


  178. Andrew:

    177

    I think you'd have to wait until he's done coaching here to be able to evaluate that


  179. hightide:

    Chow can't coach. Urban Meyer Ohio St. 24-1 Mike Leach Wash St. going to a bowl.2year coaches.
    What the diff.??????????


  180. sdbowfan:

    Whats up with all these Utah coaches?????? Jeff Ulbrich is an UH Alum and is a successful coach at UCLA and Adrian Klemm is an UH Alum and is successful also.

    Get your head out of your coconut butt!!


  181. al:

    181...they won't come. ulbrich is the associate head coach who will get a raise almost equal to chow's salary.
    klemm is in the 400-500 k paygrade.

    jordan wynn will probably be offered 80k as the qb coach.


  182. sdbowfan:

    182. Good to know these kids who bled for us is getting paid. I wish we had UH Alums on the staff. We have bozo's that do not respect what the previous regimes have built.


  183. Former UH Athlete:

    150... How on earth did UNLV v Fresno pull in 82k streams when the #2 game was 17k?

    That has to be a mistake. That game wasn't a key game for either team.... They aren't rivals, Fresno's stadium holds 41k, so I doubt that many Fresno fans are tech savvy enough to tune in.

    Nice to see UH holding some of the top streamed broadcast. If nothing else, it's an extra negotiating chip for Ben Jay whenever revenue split talks come around.


  184. Former UH Athlete:

    181... Money issues. If UH could offer $500k+ for each, UH would have a shot. Since $500k is over double what TK was making, doubtful UH can muster that kind of scratch.


  185. sdbowfan:

    184. Who cares about being the "Top streamed broadcast"! We want to be nationally televised. Your attitude is typical of our athletic department. Do you work for the athletic department btw?


  186. jonj:

    FUHA i think Someone whos a position coach like klemm and Ulbrich they would take a pay cut in order get to the coordinator level.


  187. wasabi:

    184- with? Bargaining chip????? Really??????? That's crazy talk :-)
    179- is that why he's still here????


  188. Former UH Athlete:

    Jeezy... Don't you just hate it when everything falls perfectly into place for the BCS... Just when the SEC is going to be locked out of the title game, Ohio St chokes and lets Auburn in. Other years, Just when there's going to be BCS chaos with 3 or 4 undefeated teams, just the right number of teams lose games to let the BCS off the hook.

    That being said, I think FSU wins pretty easy. Auburn I some dimensional on offense (although they are good at it). FSU has a very solid defense that should match up well.


  189. kkv3000:

    This coaching situation seems like a repeat of some of our other disasters. When Paul Johnson left, Wagner was never able to build a strong staff. Von Appen finally moved his defensive coordinator to offensive coordinator and that was a disaster. Chow does not seem to be able to put together a strong staff of coaches as June Jones and Dick Tomey did. Maybe Chow will come up with a significant defensive coordinator with proven experience and results, if not would you send your son to a division I program that is filled with coaches with little DI experience.


  190. Former UH Athlete:

    jonj, gotta factor in what kind of raises they are going to get since Mora got the extension... At big programs, when a coach gets a big extension, they usually negotiate big raises for the assistants so it makes it tougher for other schools to take them away.

    Good coaches always have great assistants. As good as Peterson is, the offense took a big step back when Moore and co finished and Harsin wasn't there to rebuild the offense. Look at Mack Browns fall from grace after Will Muschamp left for Florida.


  191. Shoko:

    There were rumors that Sark at USC was trying to poach Klemm from UCLA with a larger salary. When Mora agreed to an extension and pay increases for the staff, that rumor was quickly killed and a huge sigh of relief was heard among Bruin fans.

    Klemm is also the recruiting coordinator bringing in big time recruits.


  192. Shoko:

    My mistake, actually Klemm is the run game coordinator and not the recruiting coordinator but he is bringing in some solid recruits, though.


  193. Former UH Athlete:

    190... You can rest easy because recruiting doesn't revolve around coaching experience. Otherwise, Utah St, SJSU, and Fresno would never rise up under 1st time HCs.

    JJ still can't recruit many quality players at SMU even though he's in the most talent rich areas in the nation. Dick Tomey is as experienced as they get, but had little success at SJSU. If experience were key to recruiting, SJSU should have been good long before MacIntyre got there.


  194. jonj:

    FUHA in order to raise the ceiling of someone salary. sometimes you gotta take a pay cut. Look at Dino babers im sure he took a pay cut in order to become a HC. which im sure after 3 yrs of a winning program hes gonna be looking at a substantial pay raise.


  195. Former UH Athlete:

    187.. Maybe, but they would take a risk by coming to UH... If they do well, then they will be off to bigger and better jobs. If they do just ok or worse, they'll be stuck at UH with a lot less money than if they wait for a big program to move on to coordinator. Klemm was making $275k in 2012, he's due to make much more this coming year with Mora's new deal.

    I think UH has zero chance at Klemm... He just got way more expensive to acquire and doubtful Chow brings on a new OC with only 4 years under his belt and zero familiarity with his system/terminology. Plus, there could be issues with Klemm/Naeole if Klemm were added.

    Ulbrich is on the defensive side, that's where the DC opening is. There's a chance he goes for UH if we can muster $300k or so. There might be a "discount" for UH, but the price tag surely just went up. Plus, assistants don't have the financial security as HCs. If Chow gets the ax after next year, so do the assistants unless they are lucky enough to be retained by the next coach. Klemm and Ulbrich certainly don't have the credentials to be promoted to HC or candidates anytime soon at a FBS program. It is a big risk for them to move their families to Hawaii if the HC is on hot seat and might be moving back out in a year. Both Klemm and Ulbrich have way more job security staying put at UCLA and with as good or better pay than UH could offer.

    Don't get me wrong, and I know some commenters miss the point completely (or selective listeners)... I would love for them to coach at UH, but given the situation and timing, it doesn't make sense for them to come back to Hawaii right now.


  196. UHfan808:

    Good evening, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! :)


  197. Former UH Athlete:

    195.. I'm with ya...

    But my point is Klemm is getting paid a lot of money as a position coach at UCLA knowing his boss just signed a long term extension .

    Also Babers took a cut to be a HC. Not sure if position coaches to the same just to be a coordinator.


  198. UHfan808:

    ST, Has the Wynn decision been decided?


  199. A-House:

    you know, I must have missed something this morning - ST, in his opening remarks, suggested that Wynn is a logical candidate for becoming the next UH QB coach for whatever reason

    I go into the boss's office, get chewed, come out and people are congratulating Wynn of his new position - Did Chow make such an announcement?

    Some have posted that Wynn called most or all of the offensive plays in last 4 or 5 games including the Iosfea TD pass to his TE against Army - ok, however IDNR Chow ever saying that he turned over the play calling to Wynn - if he did, I missed it and it would be a radical change in his philosophy to allow a GA to call the plays

    ok, you QB gurus - what is the responsibility(ies) of the QB coach? to help the QB in his
    "mechanics", help with the "reads/progression", tell the QB what to expect the DBs/LBs to do on certain plays, etc. and/or to call offensive plays for the team?

    just confirming "facts"


  200. st. anthony trojan:

    Tomey's mindset..it to wait till the 4th quarter to win...is a defeatist attitude to me..
    just saying...when you play to stay close... it means you have already admitted to ur self n team...
    that you have conceded defeat..n hope you can scare up sum points 4th quarter...that is stupid..talked to Mr. Lopes once about the win against Virginia.... n Mr. Samson n company..."we went in from the start..knowing we were going to win"..... guess Archie would "case closed meathead"

    IMUA GIB N COMPANMY....GIFFEM...


  201. Shoko:

    If there is a coach that Chow might be able to convince is Kennedy Polamalu who the Bruins running backs coach. Think Chow and Polamalu coached during his years at USC and Tennessee. That's if there is an opening for a new offensive coordinator.

    Anyway, better call it a night.


  202. al:

    jonj...re: 182. ulbrich is an associate hc at ucla. one phone call from the hc and twice the salary of our past dc. private school waivers for his kids etc.

    klemm is one of the most sought after oline coaches amongst his peers and to compound his worth one of the recruiters in the country.

    ...nuff said


  203. mo808:

    Good Evening Folks!

    Wynn sounds like a Wynning & logical choice for QB coach! I hope they offer and he accepts!

    Then, hopefully--a UH alum is (who has a strong desire to return) is offered a significant salary to be our Defensive Coordinator! Oh, and another UH alum for WR coach! This would make my Christmas happy, happy, happy! :-)


  204. Bugaz:

    Will Adolpho be traveling with the Bball team and contribute?


  205. NorthShoreFan:

    Got to give the young ones some tutoring and experience. Rolo was given a chance and may turn out to be a good one.


  206. kifi:

    #201 - I don't think that is an accurate description of Tomey's philosophy.


  207. jonj:

    203 hows this sound then put him as Associate HC hear and DC which would be a great new addition to his Resume for a big time school. Get him those same private school waivers but at one of the top schools in the country (punahou) which I think the punahou mafia can manage

    Klemm I think is out the picture cuz chow don't want a OC, which would have been a nice addition to his resume.


  208. Observant:

    Good evening UHfan808 and Mo808.

    A pleasure to see your posts amongst all this useless banter.


  209. jonj:

    Associate HC is just a way to boost a salary. How many Associate Head coaches/position coaches actually get moved up to HC?? Its always the Coordinators that get the HC job becuz that's the next step to becoming a HC


  210. Observant:

    201. Kifi knows. He's played for and broken bread with Tomey.


  211. NotNasti:

    Per LA Times August 2, 2013 article, Adrian Klemm was given a 2 year contract worth $340K this year and $350K next year with a $50K retention bonus on Jan. 1, 2015 after USC attempted to hire him away from UCLA. He was named the 2012 PAC-12 Recruiter of the Year by 24/7 sports. His stock is really on the rise. Coming here would be a huge step backward for his career.


  212. wow:

    Jonj(and his sock puppets) and Jeezy accounted for abut 50% of the post today ..... zzzzzzzzzzzz


  213. WWF:

    I think that Daronte Jones and Jeff Albrich should be contenders for the DC position.


  214. Boolakanaka:

    I'm am curious about the liberal use of the Punahou Mafia. While not doubt there are some high net individuals, most did not attend UH, and have only marginal relationships with the program. These are large assumptions to make, especially when it has to do with someone else paying something, it is what my mom would call " mahaoe".

    Ironically, the Kamehameha schools has an endowment in the 15 billion plus range. They hold about 1/3 of their portfolio in real estate, much of it undervalued, since the last accurate assessments were done in the late 1990s. On a per capita basis, the KS endowment, is larger than Harvards or boola U. They in fact, if the financials made sense, and trust obligation meet, could pull together a stadium deal out of pocket without even 3rd party financing. Now, certainly these have a very specific mission, but in terms of assets much more powerful than the place near date street.


  215. Moocher:

    Boola, you hit it on the head....

    I think if KS were gonna kokua, something has to be in it for what they stand for, partially meaning the students past present and future.

    so how can football, a stadium, and perhaps a parcel of land, or straight up donation help or have value to KS...perhaps this is the question. the answer can only come from UH. what can UH a state school do or offer to hook up with a private school or entity with a race preference/requirement.

    let's look at it this way,,,,
    Oregon has a Knight, but we have a Bishop


  216. Moocher:

    my wife says never laff at your own jokes, but she dont read this blog, so yeah, i like my joke :P


  217. wafan:

    Happy Aloha Friday the 13th!

    Whoo-hoo!!!


  218. Boolakanaka:

    Moocher-very well played sir, very well played--lol. To place a historical context on all of this, Aloha Stadium deal was done just on the advent of KS becoming extremely wealthy, eg leasehold conversion placed tens of millions directly into the former KSBE coffers. KS has a very sophisticated investment division run by a local gal, who formerly ran the U of Michigan endowment, and is double blue ( someone who has both an undergrad and graduated degree from boola U). My point to all of this, is if there is some form of legitimate profit say for a Stadium deal, KSBE has already probably run some modeling to ascertain the numbers on such a project.


  219. Cheri:

    Congrats to JW, 2014 will be a good year for UH


  220. 3-Prong:

    Smile everybody, it's Aloha Friday in Paradise!!


  221. 3-Prong:

    Smile everybody, it's Aloha Friday in Paradise!!


  222. 3-Prong:

    Oops sorry, hehe.


  223. too much blah blah in this blog:

    jonj, what a large e-peen you have here! i thought jeezy's was pretty substantial but yours.... wow! Keep on spamming the board with the same stuff day after day after day after day, brother. you do you.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=e-peen