TV or not TV

January 15th, 2014

Volleyball fans will be able to see — or not see — what it would be like when a Rainbow Warrior match is not televised. OC Sports will televise tomorrow's match against fourth-ranked Long Beach State (which was No. 1 a week ago) but not Friday's rematch.

It won't be a true test of the impact of television on attendance. A match on a Thursday won't draw as much as a match on a Friday and, by extension, a match on a Friday won't draw as much as a match on a Saturday. School nights, work days, etc., are always factors.

But it will be interesting for an event in the Stan Sheriff Center not to be televised. I'm sure on Friday night, many will double-check schedules to see if the match really is being played.

74 Responses to “TV or not TV”

  1. papajoe2:


  2. papajoe2:

    Good morning everybody!
    It's cold here in Mililani.

  3. Stephen Tsai:

    It's nice and sunny on the Windward side.

  4. gobows:

    Top ten

  5. Stephen Tsai:

    This is the third day the no-parking signs are posted on our street, alerting residents to road construction. The past two days, no crew showed up. I guess we get to keep the no-parking signs.

  6. gobows:

  7. Stephen Tsai:

    I find football, softball and baseball are better to watch on TV.
    I think it's better to watch volleyball, soccer and basketball live.

  8. tommui:


    Bright and sunny in Kapiolani side!
    Good morning Stephen!

  9. Stephen Tsai:

    That was hysterical. Thanks for sharing. Lebron, Battier and every Spur drive me crazing with their flopping.

  10. Stephen Tsai:

    Good morning, tommui.
    Speaking of weather, I wonder if Justin Fujioka will be giving us the governor's five-day forecasts for budgets.

  11. A-House:


    your #5 - surely they will come when cars are moved off the street.

    looks like they did some "test" scraping of the "old" asphalt - I've been waiting over 30 years for C&C of Honolulu to pave our streets

    still waiting

  12. jm2375:

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Well, since the vb game on Friday won't be televised, I expect all of you to show up at the SSC! Can't believe there wasn't a bigger crowd last Saturday against UCLA.


  13. al: buying tickets for all tsaikos?

  14. Chee Hoo:

    ST: What good is Justin's forecast? Weather men are usually wrong 50% of the time!

  15. al:

    no tv is not good.

    out of sight...out of mind.

  16. Stephen Tsai:

    Years ago, my son and I dropped off some stuff at his girlfriend's house. Her father was outside, trying to install a generator. He said there was supposed to be a big storm approaching. I told him to relax, that meteorologists are rarely right.
    Yep. You guessed it. He was a meteorologist.
    Did I mention that's my son's ex-girlfriend?

  17. Stephen Tsai:

    I agree with you on that.
    We're so trained to feel that if it's not on TV, it's not happening.

  18. jm2375:

    al-san - I have my season tickets. Do you? :roll: :lol:

  19. Traitmanz:

    Hawaii home football games should be blacked out

  20. Stretch:

    For all the football season ticket holders, there was an attached coupon for a free ticket to Women's Basketball or Men's Volleyball.

  21. jm2375:

    The coupon is for *2* free tickets. At $16 per ticket, you save $32. So, what's keeping you guys from coming down and cheering on the Warriors?

  22. Stephen Tsai:

    This is actually a very entertaining volleyball team.
    And much of the entertainment is provided by Milan Zarkovic, the new assistant coach. He reminds me of Bruno from "Dancing With The Stars."

  23. Shoko:

    Just heard Boise quarterback, Nick Patti, has been given permission to contact University of Central Florida, but has not been given a full release at the moment. Was projected to be Grant Hedrick's backup next season.

  24. Inyoface:

    I have to admit, I never knew anything about men's volleyball...

  25. Shoko:

    Been pretty slow in terms of blog post last couple days. Hope things pick up soon.

  26. Gangstah warrior:

    What about people who live on the neighbor islands?
    Especially football because PPV is a complete rip off.

  27. Inyoface:

    Neighbor islands should be able to watch UH football for free to bring up the fan base statewide.

  28. kaimiloa:

    26... Yeah, Neighbor Islands should get football for free. So many people just ignore UH here on Hawaii Island because, like has been said, "out of sight out of mind." I paid for two games this past season but know only one other person and one bar that did the same. UH is losing a big opportunity to promote the team.

    The people who fly to O'ahu for games are still going to do it if its free on TV.

  29. Stretch:

    The football team is scheduled to hold a Spring practice in the Hilo area this year.

  30. PurpleMaple:

    Live football is way better than TV. Your view is restricted to what TV decides to show you. Well, that's my opinion. There is one exception - food. You gotta eat what's available at the concessions- not good eats.

  31. RedZone:

    They did my road about 3 months ago. Those signs were up early. They do some work prior to the actual repavement. One my street a cul-de-sac it took 2 days. Day one scrape, remove and clean. Day 2 clean, squit liquid and pave. They do the side streets first then the main drag. You will know it is coming. Look for dates posted on the signs and watch for staged equipment. The rep in my area sent mail notices but not a word from the company who does the work.

  32. NorthShoreFan:

    Guud Morning Tsaikos....soggy down this way...big down pour yesterday...

  33. SteveM:

    Good morning everyone!

    I agree with Kaimiloa in #28 -- considering the cost of air fare and logistics, it is not TV that discourages people from the neighbor islands. On the other hand, PPV would be much less expensive for them and give the UH a little bit of income.

  34. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Good Morning Gangeez! :)

    The Sweety and I love to watch UH sports on TV - too bad the second game won't be televised. Enjoyed men's VB on TV last week and in person at the Stanley on Saturday. You are right Mr. Tsai, this IS a fun team to watch. They shoulda beat the Bruins.

  35. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    Stephen -

    They do the same thing with the signs on our nearby streets. Days go by, signs up, no work done. Then, when drivers get desperate, ignore the signs and park anyway, sure enough - workers show up and cars get towed.

  36. primo123:

    Arent the UH games blacked out on Oahu? unless you have PPV.

  37. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    primo -

    If you're referring to men's VB and other "Stan" sports and Softball, many of those games are televised for free on OC16. Sweety and I have PPV for football, and other UH sports broadcasts are included. Not certain which ones.

  38. Inyoface:

    I know a lot of people on the neighbor islands that no very little about UH football because, of course, not attending the games in person as often but more so because it's not on TV. I think its worth more by having more fans than trying to make money by PPV.

  39. A-House:

    there are 2 sides to PPV - first in neighbor islands fans can use this to view UH sports be it football or vb or bb, etc. and those on Oahu who cannot attend football games because of work or disability can support the team

    conversely, if PPV takes away too many fans, then it behooves the UHAD to develop a plan to accommodate Oahu and outer island fans, always hear the refrain that UH is Hawaii's team. Did UH take a survey form PPV fans as to why they elect to stay home and watch tv or will it be left up to "I think the reason is......" and sit on the okole.

    there was a time when stadium was nearly full even with PPV - what has changed and why?

  40. Kevin:

    TOM MUI - sent you an email.

  41. Jellybean:

    Hey Stephen enough with the giggles and back to got any word on the Linebacker or Wide receiver coaching position?

  42. Pu'uwai:

    Does anybody know when oceanic will allow the mainland fans to purchase streaming for the home football games or any other UH games for that matter?

    Imua Rainbow Warriors!!!

  43. jm2375:

    DPK - #34 - but wasn't it more fun in person???!!!

  44. Da Punchbowl Kid:

    It sure was JM#### - and the beer is very reasonably priced.

  45. kaimiloa:

    Ahouse... PPV is a lose-lose for neighbor islanders. We used to get the games for free. It turns away people who could end up being fans. Only longtime UH fans will bother to pay for it. It would tak at least $350 to go to a game and that's if I get a ride and a couch to sleep on from family. That's more than this fan can handle. I'll pay for PPV, but that's because I've been a fan for decades. Fans of college football and potential UH fans won't pay. I know young football players who don't even know that UH has a team! And these kids know some of our recent recruits personally. One kid, I'm sure, will end up a DI OL someday. He doesn't play football now because he's too big to make weight but he plays Rugby. But some of kids watch UH Basketball and Volleyball because it is free.

    I wonder how much UH makes off of PPV for the neighbor islands?

  46. jeff:

    Those ramen burgers are pretty good.

  47. A-House:

    UH football jibbberish:

    I suppose the day will come when I can no longer attend football games at the stadium because of health reason(s) - I surely would like the option of buying PPV, but it depends on cost.

    Currently, it is a day long affair from early morning with food preparation, getting all our "stuff" together, organizing it into a neat pile, putting the drinks into a cooler, making sure got enough ice, etc. flip side is tailgating with the Tsaikos - great food and friends!

    EXPENSIVE: food including drinks inside the stadium is outta sight -for the cost of 1 cup of soda, I can buy a 12-pack at the commissary for less! we stopped buying food inside - cost, quality - besides I over eat with the Tsaikos - no more room in the tummy!

    cost of a ticket is a burden for more than we think - we are lucky as we qualify for "senior" rates next to the jumbo-tron.

    premium seating charge is a distractor - we had 4 seats in the mauka blue until I had to pay $800 for premium seating - enough of dat! - our entire row bailed out

    crowd control or lack thereof has turned fans with children away in many areas - currently we have well behaved kids in our area with no "drunks"

    traffic getting in and out of the stadium must still be a pisser - altho this may have eased with the fewer number of attendees.

    strict stadium rules for entry - stadiums we entered across the mainland allow bottles filled with water, but not Aloha Stadium - why? UH fans will suddenly turn out to be terrorists and throw fire bombs in plastic bottles?

    what was once a fun, family affair has turned to "not-attractive" for whatever reason(s)

  48. A-House:


    I agree that neighbor islands should get PPV - no question!

    have friends who fly in from Kauai for every game and one requested if UH can set up a 'packge deal - ticket, air fare, transportation to & from game'

    sent suggestion to Ben Jay and nada response - should I expect more? I don't think so.

  49. RB:

    2 more QB's looking to transfer. Hawaii maybe?

  50. kaimiloa:

    A-House... A package deal would be nice. Sometimes it seems like suggestion boxes are just trash cans with a different lid. Maybe someday I'll have the freedom to see more games. I went to every one when I was at UH. Tickets were free back then (athletic perk) and it was easy to sneak food in.

  51. bowwar:

    #16: ST, I had to pick myself off the floor after reading that one...LMAO...I find myself in a similar situation with my daughter's boyfriend's father being a university president. I hate to say what I thought about university presidents. :-)

  52. bowwar:

    I think that Rick Blangiardi has it right...We should go back to pure television where telecasts are available to all versus cable. PPV should be limited to games where it is a "sell-out". Outer island folks can watch games for free on a delayed basis (day after) or PPV if they want the "live-feed." Delayed broadcasts of the game could be shown after the game is concluded. I think it was a "winning formula" for many years at UH and we had sell-out crowds. It all got down to people at Manoa getting too greedy for the "upfront money" versus the "long term" money achieved through better attendance at the games.

    On another hand, I thought K5 was truly the Warrior station and we took it as "second nature" to watch UH sports there. We don't get the same feel about cable...I liked K5's production values/approach as well. Also, K5 used to show on occasion, games played on the mainland for free for all sports, whereas, you don't see it via Oceanic. It would be nice to see the UH mens bb games from the mainland as it will galvanize fan interest in attending the live games here.

  53. bowwar:

    #49: We'll take either, but kinda late since the semester has already started.

  54. jimmy the lock:

    UH can't even get students to be fans. The foundation should start with the students, never mind PPV pros and cons. Work in-house first.

  55. SteveM:

    RE: #48 & 50

    Reminds me of the year (1986) that I worked at a travel agency. The owner was a big UH football fan and since I was the only UH fan in his travel section, I was the "tour" leader for home football games. It was buy your own ticket or I would be the gopher (now we have online tickets). Basically, the $15 tour consisted of a buy-your-own-food option, free drinks/pupus at a hotel lounge. The hotel had a free shuttle from the airport and plenty of parking (included) for locals. We provided the bus to and from the stadium. Hey, counting people in a bus is a lot harder than you may think. :-)

    Of course, I arranged travel from the neighbor islands or sold flight coupons (used to be $30 each). Booked our host hotel when needed--that's how we got the free drinks and heavy pupus.

    So on one hand, arranging a Aloha stadium UH football game package for neighbor islands is very, very possible, but I think most agencies wouldn't bother because there's not a lot of profit in it and the chances things will go awry is high.

    On the other hand, the price of air fare, hotel, bus rental, game tickets, food etc. today is really discouraging. To make an attractive package today requires a lot of clout for discounts and freebies involving airline, hotel, and UH ticket office.



    Someone should send out a memo entitled STOP CRYING ABOUT PAY PER VIEW.
    Gang, it is NOT gonna go away, not when Oceanic dishes out about $2.3M annually to UH.

    Itʻs here to stay….

  57. Old School Dave:

    Anyone get to try the Ramen Burger in Kakaako?

  58. Old School Dave:

    Was looking the the University of Houston's new football stadium under construction. Construction cost is $120 million. Just wondering how much a similar structure would cost in Hawaii? Maybe 3 times that amount, not to mention actual completion date of about 2-3 years late.

  59. papajoe2:

    What don't know with UH football PPV is who gets the money from all those commercials and who gets the money from the PPV sales. PPV used to be commercial free in other productions since people is paying for the production. Now there are so many commercials and even the guy in the red on the field to let the referees know when the commercials are finished so that they can get on with the game. Does anybody know these answers? I would not like to see commercials since I am paying for it and especially the guy that bangs into the light pole twice while talking on his cell phone the guy that moves over to sniff a strangers French fries.

  60. tommui:

    #59 papajoe2

    What I am going to say is not Gospel. But as you know, the PPV pays UH 2.3 Mil for the pleasure of televising UH games.

    I think I pay PPV something like $450.00 to watch the UH games. You have to have at least 5,500 subscribers to break even on the amount paid to UH,

    Then you have to figure out the actual costs to the studio - camera men, production people, overhead etc etc and then you have the profit - all of these cost factors (and the profit) is paid by the McDonalds, Island Insurance Companies etc.

    And the sniffing ... really racist to my mind!

  61. kris:

    Food at Aloha is about the same or less than other places. Went to Dodgers Stadium a few months ago. Beer was about $8 if I recall correctly. Nachos were over $10.
    I think its up to the public to report the drunks. All too often local people wait for someone else to do it then just complain about no one doing it.

    I went to a drag racing national event in Sonoma CA over 10 years ago, after the event, traffic was backed up for miles. Just gotta deal with it. In Sonoma and Seattle i paid $50 for preferred parking. This was for a 3 day event.

    I think its all in how much you personally want to be there. Complaining about the price of the beer? Don't drink the beer. Have a few after while you talk about another (very rare this season) warrior win.

  62. gobows:


    tack on another 2 years for the eis

  63. A-House:

    ST and I mentioned the lack of activity to repave our streets

    wha la - drive home an our street has been grouted by da machine so expect to have brand new asphalt by to morrow or Friday!


  64. tommui:

    #64 - A-House but wait!

    Our street was beautifully paved and a month later, the C&C or Water Supplu tore up the street to install sewer lines.

    Street now is overloaded with asphalt not tampered down and pot holes where the asphalt has washed away.

  65. wafan:

    tommui, #64 . . .

    Job security for the road crews, auto repair/alignment, tires, . . .

  66. WY:

    I pay almost 2 hundred a month for cable, plus the UH sports package, The volleyball game on FRIDAY should be televised. Sounds like fecal matter to me.

  67. leron:

    #52 "On another hand, I thought K5 was truly the Warrior station and we took it as "second nature" to watch UH sports there. We don't get the same feel about cable...I liked K5's production values/approach as well."

    You do realize that pretty much the entire K5 crew now all works for Oceanic? Funny how the perception changes when what's in the package is the same, just the outside wrapper has changed.

  68. UHfan808:

    Good evening, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! :)

  69. UHfan808:

    I'm usually "just" a UH football season ticket holder but this year made a committment to see another game in person so became a UH men's volleyball ticket holder.

    Have to say that I'm thoroughly enjoying watching live mvb games, too :)

    Thank you to fellow season ticket holder, jmxxxx, for facilitating and following thru with this idea and decision. You rock, jm!

    There's nothing better than cheering for our home team while witnessing powerful serves slams dunks digs and roofs in person, and feeling like I've unloaded a bit of life's typical stresses thru our (sometimes wild) coordinated yet spontaneous cheering and singing.

    For those of us with a bit of a competitive spirit, there are drawings you can enter for super fan seats (on the floor directly behind the team where you get free fuud!) and for the car race guess (race happens on the score board during the game). During the entire game there are interactive crowd participation games the entire time in the stands (dancing and even kissing to various sponsor music and so you can claim some fame for a few minutes), on the floor (technique ball games - some easy; some super hard), on the score board (txt question-answer and self photo bombing), and even in the air (coupons by blimp or tee-shirt throw into the air into the stands).

    Last Thursday I became the proud owner of an Outrigger tournament tee-shirt woohooooo!! Thank you Outrigger and UH! :D

    Plus, I get to eat choice of french fries or garlic fries with all the ketchup, mustard, and coarse ground pepper I want and don't have to partake in any prep or clean up. Sometimes when I catch the kitchen open late, I order ones (fries) that are super duper extra overly crispy..mmm... Huge yays :D

    Incidentally, they once served sweet potato fries as a special which I have been craving since last season lol I really hope they consider offering as a regular menu item in the near future this season.

    Crossing my fingers for sweet potato fries but whether that wish happens or not, I'll be there enjoying the games in the meantime.

  70. Steve P:

    I find the whole ppv idea absurdly expensive....Lousey quality and reflective of UH's inability to sustain a sound football program for all the reasons already listed by others.....including that it has vitiated the loyal fan base that used to attend games.

    The Aloha stadium authority has imposed prohibitions on what can and cannot be carried into the stadium where it has achieved the really unique results of making the game experience "unenjoyable". Congrats, that took some doing. The bloody paranoia and fear of terror in this country has got totally out of hand when I cannot bring my own snacks to a football game just so the stadiums larcenous poltroons can sell us their refreshments at prices that can only be described as extortionist.

    Bring back the delayed K-5 casting, relax the rules at the gate, get rid of the damn beer sales and then maybe I
    might buy my season tickets again like I've Ben doing since 1973. Otherwise I'm done with it....and I could care less who the coach is !

  71. wafan:

    Good morning!

  72. A-House:

    tom #64:

    We feel the pain too because 6 weeks ago we had a 8" water main break on the primary road into the neighborhood - BdH2O fixed pipe and did a sloppy job in repaving so it left us with 15' of very bumpy road and it go worse as time went by

    unsure if the road contractor will fix before repaving - hope so!

  73. al: kinpira?how about with extra chili pepper?

  74. al:

    72...just a reminder that off topic issues are prohibited during daylight hours and may only be discussed after dark from 9 pm.